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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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Dr.Caligari posted:picked up a 2015 Nissan Juke Nismo Sorry for your loss 
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Dec 17, 2017 00:47
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Dr.Caligari posted:Don’t make me regret my decision . Good to know, it’s definitely quote:Juke bigger inside
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Dec 17, 2017 00:59
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I’ve never driven a Veloster , so I can’t compare.. Four doors were a must though, and I’m not sure if they offer that. My next step up in roominess was a fwd Ford Escape with the non-Ecoboost engine. So the little pepiness and awd was attractive in the Nissan. Listen. I’m poor and morphing into a legit dad. My next vehicle will probably be a Mercury Marquis or 1990 Ford F-150 to match my grumpiness and receding hairline, so take it easy on me . e; how do they measure second headroom? I get it’s not *that* much bigger, but from setting in the back, the headroom seems taller and wider than the Fiesta. Fake news! Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Dec 17, 2017 01:08
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If you're going the affordable tepid hatch route, then I'm pretty sure the Kia Soul is the current unironic winner.
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Dec 17, 2017 01:09
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Or an XB. I’m not going to poo poo on your choice (out loud) but my wife’s XB has been a great car. It’s almost not aggressively unfun to drive with the 5spd, too. My insurance calls it a Sport Wagon.
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Dec 17, 2017 01:59
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If you like it good for you dude. I didn't realize Richard Hammond had like 8 alts on SA.
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Dec 17, 2017 02:05
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I get the hate, but the interior of the Nissan (the nismo at least) is quiet a bit nicer than my Fiesta had, and better than the Soul or XB (granted, I’m not sure if they have a higher trim model than I’ve been in). The Soul or XB may have been a bit cheaper, but that’s all beyond the scope of the thread Also remember this wasn’t some purchase I planned on needing. I have to have a car to survive and I had not budgeted on making a major purchase. If I had a heads-up 6 months ago that I was going to need a car, I most certainly would have saved for a FoST or WRX. Such is life Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Dec 17, 2017 02:24
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PabloBOOM posted:If you're going the affordable tepid hatch route, then I'm pretty sure the Kia Soul is the current unironic winner. I think I've mentioned here before that if Kia had offered the second-gen model with the 2.0 and a stick I'd almost certainly have one rather than my Fiesta. The 2013 I used to have was a great driving appliance and the big engine + three pedal combination made it actually somewhat fun. The interior was enormous too. The second-gen models ride and handle a lot better thanks to major suspension upgrades, but they locked the 2.0 to the autotragic and the 1.6 was so underpowered I felt that flooring it the whole way up the onramp near me was actually mandatory rather than just fun. Now there's the turbo model which I hear is pretty peppy plus it has a DCT, but it's a dry clutch DCT so I'm wary about its longevity.
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Dec 17, 2017 02:27
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Dr.Caligari posted:I get the hate, but the interior of the Nissan (the nismo at least) is quiet a bit nicer than my Fiesta had, and better than the Soul or XB (granted, I’m not sure if they have a higher trim model than I’ve been in). I'll give you that much. The interior of the domestic options are made from poo poo and rear end.
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Dec 17, 2017 04:09
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They don't call Nissan the Japanese Chrysler for nothing. Bland, low quality interiors as far as the eye can see. I'm driving a new Golf as a rental and I am reminded of how good the Golf platform is. I might have to go GTI or Golf R for my next new car in a few years.
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Dec 17, 2017 21:12
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:They don't call Nissan the Japanese Chrysler for nothing. Bland, low quality interiors as far as the eye can see. What does that make Subaru, vis-a-vis interiors? Cuz my 2016 sti interior....woof.
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Dec 17, 2017 23:00
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You should have got a golf 1.8tsi and tuned it. There is more room in that than the kia stinger.
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Dec 18, 2017 03:30
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If I came from driving a Golf I might agree with you. e; ^I don’t know much about VW, but if I weren’t left without a ride I would have looked at them. Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Dec 18, 2017 |
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Dec 18, 2017 13:42
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:They don't call Nissan the Japanese Chrysler for nothing. Bland, low quality interiors as far as the eye can see. So I am about 8 months into owning my Golf R and one of the reasons I bought it was for AWD and the fact that it might help me deal with slick roads during the winter. This morning we had an early morning ice storm with lots of black ice. I had put snow tires on 2 weeks ago and holy poo poo does it just MUNCH on icy pavement. I love it. It's the most fun thing I've ever driven, and even in "drive" shifting and "comfort" tuning, when you drop the hammer it loving roars. Do always buy Golf R. Plus two super cute girls that go to my gym drive GTis and they're always looking at me my car  enviously.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:44
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AWD doesn’t do anything for slick roads except give you more traction so you can go faster before you crash. It’s all about the tires.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:48
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AWD/4WD does not help you stop any faster, that's why it's not uncommon to see big trucks off in the ditch, or the big SUVs. More weight too so even harder to slow down or stop 
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Dec 18, 2017 17:55
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I'd rather drive a rear wheel drive car with winter tires in the snow than an all wheel drive with all seasons.
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Dec 18, 2017 18:00
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Sounds like someone's got a case of the MONDAYS goddamn everyone salty af lately
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Dec 18, 2017 18:08
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AWD drifting in snow/ice is tons of fun
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Dec 18, 2017 18:11
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GutBomb posted:I'd rather drive a rear wheel drive car with winter tires in the snow than an all wheel drive with all seasons. Amen. And you can still do donuts.
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Dec 18, 2017 18:18
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I'd rather drive a RWD with snow tires than an AWD with all-seasons, but what I'd prefer even more than that is driving an AWD with winter tires. Which is why I am selling the Mustang, which has winter tires, and getting a Golf R, which will also have winter tires.
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Dec 18, 2017 18:55
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Focus RS + Michelin Pilot Alpins + Drift Mode = fukken amazeballs
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Dec 18, 2017 19:25
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Okay, then just read "snow tires are amazing" from my post that's fine the sentiment is the same.
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Dec 18, 2017 22:21
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Just clicked submit on my request for quote at our credit union. 
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Dec 18, 2017 23:42
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No that anyone cares, but I'm the guy who went temporarily insane last week and was seriously thinking about getting these OZ wheels: I came to my senses today and decided to order some Volk Racing TE37 Sagas instead. They are absurdly expensive but I couldn't stand the idea of getting replicas.  I will have real pictures for the thread in a few months when they arrive in the county......yes, months.
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Dec 19, 2017 16:33
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Crescendo posted:No that anyone cares, but I'm the guy who went temporarily insane last week and was seriously thinking about getting these OZ wheels: These are sick AF and now I think I have an idea for the style of rims I'd like to slap on my new summers. Of course I'm going to get them in black because I'm a baby back basic bitch, and I'm going to get replicas because I want them in a week, for $90 a rim, but the theme is the same.
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Dec 19, 2017 17:04
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Crescendo posted:No that anyone cares, but I'm the guy who went temporarily insane last week and was seriously thinking about getting these OZ wheels: hell yeah good choice
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Dec 19, 2017 17:14
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:These are sick AF and now I think I have an idea for the style of rims I'd like to slap on my new summers. Thanks man! Apparently Rota "Grid" wheels are pretty OK for the price (some folks even race on them). They cost $250 AUD here in Australia, so I guess they would be something like $150-200 in the US. BraveUlysses posted:hell yeah good choice 
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Dec 19, 2017 17:37
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BlackMK4 posted:goddamn everyone salty af lately I doubt any of you are near me , but I stlll have my OEM 17” Gunmetal Rados w/ BF Goodrich Radial TA’s. One rim is damaged but if anyone needs a replacement rim I’m willing to sell as a set or piece out for cheap
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Dec 19, 2017 17:55
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Very beautiful. Didn't fully appreciate them until I watched a video, but drat, obviously premium. Ignorant question incoming: would these make a difference in the handling or speed of the car?
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Dec 20, 2017 09:37
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Taima posted:Very beautiful. Didn't fully appreciate them until I watched a video, but drat, obviously premium. Thanks, I'll post the actual pics in this thread when I get them mounted next year. As to your question, first up let me say that I'm definitely no expert - anyone actually competent is welcome to dispense their knowledge. Lighter wheels do positively effect the performance of the car. A lighter wheel means less mass for the engine to turn, and less mass for the brakes to slow down, so that will be a net positive for acceleration and braking. Also, lighter wheels means there is less mass needing to be damped by the suspension damping system, so the amount of damping would increase. This means less oscillation and bouncing of the wheels when cornering hard and going over surface imperfections, which in turn causes the tires to stay in contact with the ground more. All of this is good for grip and the driver's 'feel' of the surface, at the cost of feeling firmer and stiffer (OK if you're performance driving, bad if you puttering around town). I don't think top speed is improved, because the wheels are rotating mass and not part of the car's sprung weight (sprung weight is the car frame and all the poo poo on top of it, including you). Sprung mass is a limiter on acceleration, braking, and top speed (think of a minivan and a small car with the same engine, but the van is carrying 8 people versus the car's 1), whereas unsprung mass (the suspension and wheels) is a limiter on acceleration, braking, and road contact. Apologies for the butchering, as I know it's not that simple and I'm probably leaving a lot out, but it's kind of an answer at least. In any case, the stock 18x7.5 "Austin" wheels are 25 lbs, and the 18x9.5 TE37 Sagas are 18.8 lbs, which saves ~24 lbs of rotating mass in total. However, I actually got the got the 18x8s, so that will save more weight still, maybe a pound or two? So, I'm saving around 28-30 lbs total of rotating mass, not INSANE, but definitely impressive. It should have a noticeable affect on acceleration, handling, and feel to a keen driver, but I'm not really a keen driver, so some (much?) of it will be lost on me. Also, I sincerely doubt I'd be able to detect the improvement in the 0-60 times with my human senses. The most noticeable effect I think would be the feel of the suspension. The wheels being easier to damp should make the ride detectably stiffer. Honestly, I got the Volks 80% for the look and 20% for the performance, which is ridiculous given the price really. It would have made way more sense to get a similar but 'inferior' non-forged wheel, because by my own admission the performance gains are not that important. The euphemism for someone like me is 'purist', but really 'stupid' or 'financially irresponsible' would be more appropriate. 
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Dec 20, 2017 14:22
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Taima posted:Ignorant question incoming: would these make a difference in the handling or speed of the car? They're probably quite a bit lighter than stock because IIRC they're magnesium, so at least a little bit. How noticeable it would be though? 
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Dec 20, 2017 14:23
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nah they're forged aluminum but you should be able to notice the lighter wheels, but how much you notice it will depend on if you are keeping the existing tires or upgrading to a better compound.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:45
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There is literally no car that TE37s look bad on imo
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Dec 20, 2017 15:54
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PaintVagrant posted:There is literally no car that TE37s look bad on imo This man speaks the truth. Edit: I might actually have something to contribute to the thread instead of just shitposting, depending on how financially irresponsible I'll get after Christmas.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:59
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Disagree, TE-37 doesn't look good in face 1/2. e: 
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Dec 20, 2017 17:00
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Crescendo posted:I don't think top speed is improved, because the wheels are rotating mass and not part of the car's sprung weight (sprung weight is the car frame and all the poo poo on top of it, including you). Sprung mass is a limiter on acceleration, braking, and top speed (think of a minivan and a small car with the same engine, but the van is carrying 8 people versus the car's 1), Top speed shouldn't be meaningfully affected by mass, at least on a firm, flat surface and within the design range for the vehicle. Drag and friction should be the only limiting factors there. Obviously additional mass will cause more tire flex and thus some additional friction there, but I don't think it'd make that much of a difference if you have appropriately increased the tire pressure for the weight.
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Dec 20, 2017 17:16
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wolrah posted:Top speed shouldn't be meaningfully affected by mass, at least on a firm, flat surface and within the design range for the vehicle. Drag and friction should be the only limiting factors there. Obviously additional mass will cause more tire flex and thus some additional friction there, but I don't think it'd make that much of a difference if you have appropriately increased the tire pressure for the weight. You're right, I guess I didn't really think too hard about it. (Good thing I included a caveat about not knowing poo poo!) In space, with no air to cause drag and only tiny amounts of gravity pulling on it, a mass can be made to move as fast as you want up to a point, as long as there is sufficient force to accelerate it. Right? Engineering challenges aside (heat to name just one), the limiting factor on Earth must be friction and air resistance, exactly as you said. Crescendo fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 17:51
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Crescendo posted:Apparently Rota "Grid" wheels are pretty OK for the price (some folks even race on them). They cost $250 AUD here in Australia, so I guess they would be something like $150-200 in the US. Missed this the first time. I don't know of eventual recent developments, but I've seen enough cracked or shattered Rotas to make me think that their QA/QC isn't top notch so to speak.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Missed this the first time. I don't know of eventual recent developments, but I've seen enough cracked or shattered Rotas to make me think that their QA/QC isn't top notch so to speak. All wheels are wear items, and all wheels will break.
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