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Zwabu posted:So what happened to get us here? they believe if they end the session with no big legislative victory despite having total control then their base will turn on them for wasting everyone's time they hosed up obamacare repeal, so this is their last big chance since it's gonna be a lot harder to gut ss/medicare/medicaid
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Instant Sunrise posted:How bout that car bomb at the state department on 9/11? and the fourth (or fifth depending on when the station you were watching reported it) plane crashing at Camp David. Being the sort of loving ghoul I am, I started rolling videotape that morning. Between those early as-it-happens tapes and the IRC logs (wherein friends from other states would report what the news station they were watching said) from that morning, there was a whole bunch of erroneous information being thrown about in the chaos. One of my favorite personal quotes from said IRC logs is "I never thought I'd hear Dan Rather say 'orgy of terrorism'"
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The Muppets On PCP posted:they believe if they end the session with no big legislative victory despite having total control then their base will turn on them for wasting everyone's time It would have been nice to have them fail on this and see their donations dry up, and it's still possible but highly unlikely. Really, with unified control of the government they were almost certain to get at least some big accomplishments. It's a miracle we stopped as much as we did.
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Seems to me the GOP knows that when the ramifications of this tax bill really hit, the Democrats will be left holding the bag and in the position of having to "raise taxes". lord know FOX and Rushs will frame it like this. E: also this belongs here: BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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BiggerBoat posted:Seems to me the GOP knows that when the ramifications of this tax bill really hit, the Democrats will be left holding the bag and in the position of having to "raise taxes". lord know FOX and Rushs will frame it like this. Democrats need to get on the ball and spend the next 2-6 years hammering home what happened. The danger of right wing media is when the rest of the media repeats their lies uncontested. The saving grace of this is that the narrative is already that this thing is a poo poo pile and a ticking time bomb because the GOP was so panicked to get it in as fast as possible it was obvious this is a smash and grab. Right wing media will always lie since that its purpose but it's on the rest of the media to be vigilant. In the last decade they haven't and have been led around by the nose by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck so it's up the Democrats to scream constantly like the GOP did with the ACA. If the Democrats just sit there and try to find bipartisan solutions with a death cult or hope that the truth just magically surfaces by itself when the tax increases hit then yeah they (and we) are absolutely screwed.
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The Muppets On PCP posted:they believe if they end the session with no big legislative victory despite having total control then their base will turn on them for wasting everyone's time It's a strange "victory" that's the least unpopular piece of legislation in quite some time. Or is it ever? Their alleged base doesn't want this. Their real base, the donors, does want this. They don't give a poo poo. They've given up all pretense. I think we're all having a hard time truly accepting how craven and straightforward this is. They're cynically and blatantly doing this for their donors and they're almost daring their brainwashed fake base to have a mental break as they attempt to justify it to themselves.
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paternity suitor posted:It's a strange "victory" that's the least unpopular piece of legislation in quite some time. Or is it ever? Their alleged base doesn't want this. Their real base, the donors, does want this. They don't give a poo poo. They've given up all pretense. I think we're all having a hard time truly accepting how craven and straightforward this is. They're cynically and blatantly doing this for their donors and they're almost daring their brainwashed fake base to have a mental break as they attempt to justify it to themselves. The pundits that have been trying to sell "both sides are responsible" and that Republican politicians are acting in good faith despite the results of years of their policies always being bad are having a rough time trying to figure out how to spin this one. You even see a few true "bipartisanship is the goal of politics" believers publicly saying that they have no idea where this came from and are genuinely flummoxed by what is clearly publicly looting the country for personal gain. Our political media is so made up of people that have bought into their own fiction about how politics operate they have been caught flat footed by the Republicans just saying gently caress it throw off the mask and do what all the "crazy" people have been saying they were doing for years.
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paternity suitor posted:It's a strange "victory" that's the least unpopular piece of legislation in quite some time. Or is it ever? Their alleged base doesn't want this. every poll that's come out in the past couple weeks has republican support at minimum in the low 70s
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paternity suitor posted:It's a strange "victory" that's the least unpopular piece of legislation in quite some time. Or is it ever? Their alleged base doesn't want this. Their real base, the donors, does want this. They don't give a poo poo. They've given up all pretense. I think we're all having a hard time truly accepting how craven and straightforward this is. They're cynically and blatantly doing this for their donors and they're almost daring their brainwashed fake base to have a mental break as they attempt to justify it to themselves. Their base seem quite capable of believing black is white and up is down, so Republican politicians should be justifiably sanguine about the possibility of being punished for this. It’s carefully crafted not to hit salaried people in red states hard. In fact, since it is designed to automatically raise taxes in about 10 years, so if the flip/flop every 8 years pattern holds, Democrats should be in power, allowing them to campaign on “Evil Democrats raised your taxes!” Very well done Paul, Mitch, you satanic fucks.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Their base seem quite capable of believing black is white and up is down, so Republican politicians should be justifiably sanguine about the possibility of being punished for this. Yeah, never underestimate the right wing ability to repeat a lie often enough for it to become truth.
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Zwabu posted:So what happened to get us here? The fact that the Democrats basically contain what would be the entire government of a sane country doesn't help either.
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Radish posted:Democrats need to get on the ball and spend the next 2-6 years hammering home what happened. Considering that this "if" statement is totally going to the "else" clause (Northam, Jones, img-timeline, etc), I'd say it's significantly more important for people to realize and recognize that democrats aren't your friends. They were never your friends, they will never be your friends, and if you aren't a part of the 3 comma club, you are nothing more than a necessary nuisance that will allow them to be the Decorated Decorum Government Administrator.
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Phone posted:Considering that this "if" statement is totally going to the "else" clause (Northam, Jones, img-timeline, etc), I'd say it's significantly more important for people to realize and recognize that democrats aren't your friends. This is true however even they have to realize they have really stretched how far they can pull the "vote for us we aren't evil!" card then do nothing meaningful (or that can't be undone easily by the next guy) they aren't going to be a party anymore. If they get in after Trump and try to be the Decorum party again they will lose more seats than they did during Obama's term and they better hope the GOP lets them in to the one party state that will be left over. I'm hoping poo poo Democrats start getting primaried out enough that the ones left will be at least a little scared for their jobs (which is the thing they seem to care most about) which is why certain people start really crying about "divisiveness" when you mention primaries.
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U.T. Raptor posted:Republican voters chose tribal identity over the welfare of the country (and themselves, for that matter), and they vote like clockwork. Meanwhile, Democratic voters (the ones that aren't victims of voter suppression, mind you) have to be coddled and cajoled like skittish horses to show up and vote at all. Poor Freckles, thought of a centrist and died. I’m still having a hard time wrapping my brain around the incredible power of tribal identity. I mean I see it, I know it, but to internally process it? Cripes.
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Seriously, Dems need to actually stand for something that will directly benefit people if they want to win.
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https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/943476196096004096 I really have no loving words.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/943476196096004096 I can’t even ironically follow Dinesh. His Twitter is loving infuriating.
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WHY DO NATIVE AMERICANS NO LOVE US WHEN WE KEEP USING THEIR CULTURE AS AN INSULT?!
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Radish posted:The pundits that have been trying to sell "both sides are responsible" and that Republican politicians are acting in good faith despite the results of years of their policies always being bad are having a rough time trying to figure out how to spin this one. You even see a few true "bipartisanship is the goal of politics" believers publicly saying that they have no idea where this came from and are genuinely flummoxed by what is clearly publicly looting the country for personal gain. Our political media is so made up of people that have bought into their own fiction about how politics operate they have been caught flat footed by the Republicans just saying gently caress it throw off the mask and do what all the "crazy" people have been saying they were doing for years. That's true, part of the problem is the pundits are having mental breaks just like the voting populace. It's been their gig for years to play ball and cozy up to politicians, so the idea that one party is a bad faith actor is like finding out one of your parents is a cheating alcoholic abuser. You've loved and admired them both all of your life, it can't be that one of them is wrong. Why is Dad doing this? Is it because I let him down? Dad's a good guy. I need to see things from Dad's side. But then one day you find out that Dad stole all of the family's savings and it finally hits you. Dad loving sucks. Sometimes people loving suck. Holy poo poo, Mom was right. BarbarianElephant posted:Their base seem quite capable of believing black is white and up is down, so Republican politicians should be justifiably sanguine about the possibility of being punished for this. It’s carefully crafted not to hit salaried people in red states hard. In fact, since it is designed to automatically raise taxes in about 10 years, so if the flip/flop every 8 years pattern holds, Democrats should be in power, allowing them to campaign on “Evil Democrats raised your taxes!” My anecdotal brainwashing barometer is my clearly slowly losing his mind coworker who is a Brietbart/Drudge reading conservitive christian. I heard him greet two people with "Happy Tax Cut Day" yesterday so yeah.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/943476196096004096 well at least he used the proper ethnic slur none of that weak pocahontas bullshit
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codenameFANGIO posted:I can’t even ironically follow Dinesh. His Twitter is loving infuriating. You can't follow Dinesh, Dinesh can't legally vote. Funny old world of ours.
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Crabtree posted:WHY DO NATIVE AMERICANS NO LOVE US WHEN WE KEEP USING THEIR CULTURE AS AN INSULT?! Fox Guest: Native American Genocide Didn't Happen
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Try not to imagine the insulting fake accent he'd say that with if you don't want to be incapacitated with even more seething distaste than usual for convicted felon Dinesh D'Souza.
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Avirosb posted:Fox Guest: Native American Genocide Didn't Happen To be fair, that's pretty much the official position of the United States Government.
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I just got a phone alert on my newsapp. It was something from Fox business that suggested we should all ditch our 401(k) plans and put the money elsewhere because the sweeping tax reform will clearly offer better growth elsewhere. I can only assume they mean put it all in the stock market, and they really want us to go all in on it. Are they really that delusional and think that this will truly give us unprecedented growth forever? Or are they simply just trying to milk people for every last dollar?
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Avirosb posted:Fox Guest: Native American Genocide Didn't Happen Unironic position held by at least Steven Crowder.
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Corponation posted:I just got a phone alert on my newsapp. It was something from Fox business that suggested we should all ditch our 401(k) plans and put the money elsewhere because the sweeping tax reform will clearly offer better growth elsewhere. Excuse me sir, do you have a moment to talk about our financial lord and savior the bitcoin?
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Corponation posted:I just got a phone alert on my newsapp. It was something from Fox business that suggested we should all ditch our 401(k) plans and put the money elsewhere because the sweeping tax reform will clearly offer better growth elsewhere. I think it's suggesting moving from pre-tax savings systems like traditional 401Ks and going to post-tax savigs like Roth 401Ks.
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Corponation posted:I just got a phone alert on my newsapp. It was something from Fox business that suggested we should all ditch our 401(k) plans and put the money elsewhere because the sweeping tax reform will clearly offer better growth elsewhere. The latter.
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HootTheOwl posted:Excuse me sir, do you have a moment to talk about our financial lord and savior the bitcoin? There is no god but Bitcoin and Satoshi is his prophet.
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Phone posted:Considering that this "if" statement is totally going to the "else" clause (Northam, Jones, img-timeline, etc), I'd say it's significantly more important for people to realize and recognize that democrats aren't your friends. take it to USPOL or the thunderdome
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Der Waffle Mous posted:https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/943476196096004096 Please, Dinesh, tell me again how Democrats are the real racists.
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Monitoring the RWM stuff on this tax bill has been insufferable and I can only stand like 5 minutes at a time. Weird thing is, my office is oddly silent and even the poo poo I tend to overhear as a matter of course from co-workers is non existent. I seem to even be the only person bringing it up, which is odd for a Big GOP Victory. Honestly, I'm a tad on the fence about the corporate rate but also admit I don't know much about it. I could see it being a good thing in certain respects, but that's all contingent on corporations doing the right thing so yeah. Hand to God though, I am legit 100% surprised that this "tax cut" wasn't delivered to us peons with a personal, incredibly cheesy Tump Check. Like GWB did only this time with a glossy mailer, a coupon for a MAGA hat and a cheesy gold embossed foil stamp something or other and discount offer for lovely steaks. I suppose that could still happen but it doesn't seem like this is set up to deliver that way. My calculation came out to roughly 5 or 6 hundred bucks I'll save over a year and I'm almost disappointed in Donald for not personalizing that in some way and delivering it with his unique sense of class. Initially, my online calculator was something like $2,800 and I said "OK, that could actually be noticeable" but, SURPRISE, they hid the tabs and buttons for property tax payers (as well as student loan borrowers and a lot of other things) on whatever site it was so the devil is most certainly in the details. It's all gonna get swallowed up in Health care premiums anyways. Looking forward to asking my boss for my Trump Raise in a year. See how that goes. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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Matt Walsh weighing in with random nonsense https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/943581863435751424 And a splendid Hannity self-own https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/943881108810293249
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ZDar Fan posted:Matt Walsh weighing in with random nonsense Go gently caress yourself Walsh, Signed a person who had Black Labradors and currently a mixed Baset Hound for a pet.
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This seems as good of a thread as any to discuss TPUSA. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...mpaign-activity quote:Perhaps most troubling for an organization that holds up conservatives as the real victims of discrimination in America, Turning Point USA is also alleged to have fostered an atmosphere that is hostile to minorities. I'm sure this is just the ludicrous lefty baby snowflakes making mountains out of racially neutral molehills again... quote:Crystal Clanton, who served until last summer as the group’s national field director, sent a text message to another Turning Point employee saying, “i hate black people. Like gently caress them all . . . I hate blacks. End of story.”  I'm sure noone ever liked her anyway and she didn't have that important of a role.. quote:In a 2016 book that Kirk co-authored with Brent Hamachek, “Time for a Turning Point: Setting a Course Toward Free Markets and Limited Government for Future Generations,” he described Clanton as “the best hire we ever could have made.” He called her “integral to the success of Turning Point while effectively serving as its chief operating officer.” He added, “Turning Point needs more Crystals; so does America.” Ugh. That's too bad. But it's not like her personal beliefs would have made it into the workplace quote:Gabrielle Fequiere, a former Turning Point employee, told me that she was the only African-American hired as a field director when she worked with the group, three years ago. “In looking back, I think it was racist,” she said. “At the time, I was blaming myself, and I thought I did something wrong.” Fequiere, who now works as a model, recalled that the young black recruits that she brought into the organization suddenly found themselves disinvited from the group’s annual student summit This really is just gold throughout. Go read it.
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marathon Stairmaster sesh posted:Go gently caress yourself Walsh, Is this related to how Trump doesn't seem to know what a dog actually is? Or has Walsh always just not liked pets?
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Keeshhound posted:Is this related to how Trump doesn't seem to know what a dog actually is? Or has Walsh always just not liked pets? Take it away google search for "Matt Walsh animals": https://mobile.twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/859816086593835008 https://mobile.twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/737618821851324416
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