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Dec 21, 2017 16:30
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It's also ugly as gently caress. And manages to somehow reuse a boss even though there's only three so it shouldn't actually be that hard to not do that. And it comes at the worst time cockblocking you from that precious level 50 that will open up a bunch of new possibilities/capstone skill/equipment/job trainers/areas/roulettes/etc. And it comes at an even worst-er(!) time by following another garbage dungeon (Darkhold) leaving you wishing you had just bought a quaff book instead of playing through the 40's. And if you're level synced that all that still applies because it kicks you in the dick down to just before you get cool toys.
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Dec 21, 2017 16:30
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AV sucks because it's the first dungeon where a bad tank/bad healer can really gently caress up the run, largely due to the first room (where it's super easy to mispull for inexperienced tanks.) and Coincounter (Who is the first do-or-die example of paying attention to cast names instead of AoE indicators.)
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Dec 21, 2017 16:33
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I hate AV because best case it's unbelievably boring as gently caress even with a good group without being face rollingly easy so you can't zone out and jerk off with your free hand or something. Worst case, you get a brain dead healer or tank and it takes an hour to clear, while still being incredibly boring.
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Dec 21, 2017 16:35
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AV was the only dungeon where I had to change garuda-egi to ifrit-egi (that was before SB), because I would aggro a whole room and we would wipe, it was dumb by design. Edit: those are 1.0 ports? NOW I UNDERSTAND. Dwesa fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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Dec 21, 2017 16:36
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It's no coincidence that the three leveling dungeons almost universally agreed to suck rear end (Aurum Vale, Dzemael Darkhold, and Thousand Maws) were all 1.0 ports. They're great windows into seeing why they had to rebuild the game from the ground up.
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Dec 21, 2017 16:38
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Wow I didn't realize they were ports. Kind of explains how they can be ball busters if you have a poo poo group.
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Dec 21, 2017 16:41
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ApplesandOranges posted:Finally jumping back into MCH after months, is Rook Overdrive still bad or did they actually try to improve what is basically the Tornado Kick of MCH. I’m no top tier math raider, but I did some math presuming the turret auto attacks every 3 seconds, and the potencies of having your turret up 30s and blowing it up are equal. Which means it’s a dps gain if there’s any downtime for any reason, presuming you’re on the ball about getting the turret back the second it’s available. I use the aoe a bunch in dungeons, since downtime includes moving from pack to pack. Don’t do it if you’re using the vuln skill, obviously.
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Dec 21, 2017 16:42
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Hot take: if you take a group of friends (make some if you don't have them) and don't suck (this one's on you) the only one of those dungeons that's even remotely annoying is toto-rak, and that's only because it's so bloody long.
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Dec 21, 2017 16:47
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M.c.P posted:I’m no top tier math raider, but I did some math presuming the turret auto attacks every 3 seconds, and the potencies of having your turret up 30s and blowing it up are equal. Wouldn't it also be a DPS gain under Wildfire too in that case, since Wildfire doesn't last 30s?
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Dec 21, 2017 16:48
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It’s funny how times change. Darkhold was universally THE dungeon to run for leveling back in 2.X because it was super fast and easy
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Dec 21, 2017 16:50
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They're not straight ports of the 1.0 dungeons, but a refurbished subsection of them. The 1.0 dungeons were even stupider. Tam Tara and Cutter's Cry were 1.0 as well, and reused with the same philosophy, but they might not have been implemented.
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Dec 21, 2017 16:52
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Toto and Vale both suck hard, but I don't have any problem with Dzamael. The only room that's particularly bothersome to me is the one where some DPS inevitably falls off and pulls a bunch of enemies and wipes the party. Plus the awful frog enemies that I always hate to see. Stone Vigil is the one that is super long, has a death room like the Vale, and has a weird sync.
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Dec 21, 2017 16:53
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Josuke Higashikata posted:It's in 4.2. Adding wards to all 4 housing areas and then adding additional ones as and when required with some unspecified caveats iirc. Why in the world would they go from a horrible housing system they've gotten mad poo poo for, to loving auctions? I thought they wanted the houses to be available to more than 1% E: AV has really good music, makes it worth it to me.
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Dec 21, 2017 17:01
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Mr. Nice! posted:I was solo tanking that all the time. Seemed like the right time for holmgang. me (big brain): rampart will take care of this!!
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Dec 21, 2017 17:05
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[quote="“ImpAtom”" post="“479551510”"] Wouldn’t it also be a DPS gain under Wildfire too in that case, since Wildfire doesn’t last 30s? [/quote] I... don’t know. Turret damage doesn’t count in wildfire, but I don’t know what overdrive counts as.
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Dec 21, 2017 17:07
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You want to use it when the vulnerability debuff is like between 1 and 6 seconds left because that means it fired its last hypercharge round anyways.
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Dec 21, 2017 17:16
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Kashuno posted:It's funny how times change. Darkhold was universally THE dungeon to run for leveling back in 2.X because it was super fast and easy I think they ended up nerfing mass EXP gains or something like that near the tail end of 2.X which largely killed off first area Darkhold clears. It's still pretty fast to go through if you have good AoE classes, but boy did it feel like poo poo going through that place on a 2.X Paladin where there's 15 enemies and the only thing I can do is hit loving Flash over and over.
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Dec 21, 2017 17:19
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AV being a boring ugly mess is the right answer to why it sucks hard. It's nothing to do with difficult pulls, bosses or whatever, that's just the cherry on top when you get double unlucky of getting AV and bads.
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Dec 21, 2017 17:48
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SonicRulez posted:Toto and Vale both suck hard, but I don't have any problem with Dzamael. The only room that's particularly bothersome to me is the one where some DPS inevitably falls off and pulls a bunch of enemies and wipes the party. Plus the awful frog enemies that I always hate to see. Stone Vigil is the one that is super long, has a death room like the Vale, and has a weird sync. Stone Vigil is the dungeon I hate to see more than any of the others because it's long and it hits like a goddamn truck for its level range. On a similar note Bardam's Mettle also just loving hurts like hell (but it's short and I actually love that dungeon so it's fine).
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Dec 21, 2017 17:52
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I just saw the cutscene with all three four leaders trying to decide what to do about Gaius's ultimatum, and I would now die for Nanamo Ul Namo.
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Dec 21, 2017 18:30
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I don't mind Stone Vigil. Which is good, because I had to grind the poo poo out of it to get all of my classes to 50.  TFRazorsaw posted:I would now die for Nanamo Ul Namo. Good taste.
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Dec 21, 2017 18:37
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TFRazorsaw posted:I just saw the cutscene with all three four leaders trying to decide what to do about Gaius's ultimatum, and I would now die for Nanamo Ul Namo. /Flame Salute She is a good leader.
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Dec 21, 2017 18:44
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Die Sexmonster! posted:This person hasn't been asked to change their name? to be fair it can go either way. As long as the person isn't referring to their name sexually in chat I presume they are fine. Reminds me of a warlock who's name was slavemaster back in vanilla or something with the word slave in it. Well one day he had to name change and then he got upset and explained that he was named that because he enslaved demons. The gm's then proceeded to tell him they made him change his name because he was being racist in trade when referring to his name. Or at least that is how I remember that story from a long time ago.
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Dec 21, 2017 18:50
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Ban all lore unfriendly names.
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Dec 21, 2017 19:39
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Creampie Warehouse seems more of a Roe style name anyways.
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Dec 21, 2017 19:42
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Ban all lore unfriendly names. hellguards could still get away with a lot of borderline nws names. this is why helguards are the best race
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Dec 21, 2017 19:42
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Ban all lore unfriendly names.  If y’all really want “Ernest Namingway” to end up as Guileless Griffin or whatever. (I don’t remember which Roe I picked, it’s either that or Inglyshwystfh)
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Dec 21, 2017 19:43
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"Creampie Warehouse" is one of those names where, yeah, there could be an innocent explanation for it...but we all know that it's not the reason the name was chosen. It reminds me of a now gone site called Why Was I Banned, which compiled some of the best stuff where people got banned from XBox Live. One of my favorites was a guy saying "why did I have to change my description of Spread Them Cheeks, I mean it as in 'smile, it's just a game'," to which the response was "nobody believes that, and even if they did, the fact that you have 47 previous strikes for referencing sodomy helps clear things up."
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Dec 21, 2017 19:49
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Vermain posted:Things that can go wrong in Aurum Vale: The other thing being that everyone kind of has to be on the ball in it. Tanks needs to know how to pull the first room, DPS need to know how to follow so they don't aggro more things, healer needs to be able to heal (and know when to let idiots die) the damage, everyone needs to know how to handle fruit etc. etc. It's one of the biggest if not the most Team Effort dungeons in the entire game.
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Dec 21, 2017 19:50
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A. Beaverhausen posted:/Flame Salute  Nanamo is okay but not best leader. Merlwyb is  personified, shoots assholes in the face, and is a pirate which makes her way cooler than a queen or someone that a water nymph chose to be ruler.Also her guard wouldn't let me stop by to say hi so I only have this old-rear end screenshot. Jerk. Orcs and Ostriches posted:Ban all lore unfriendly names. Die Sexmonster! posted:
As someone with a lore-friendly name,  delete lore-unfriendly names and also ban dishonest White Mages thanks in advance Yoshida.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:07
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Limsa is so poorly ran that a man, a catlady, and a potato are a more effective police force than the yellowjackets.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:09
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Man that stealth section in the level 40 NIN quest suuuuucked, glad I was able to just sprint through it on my fifth failed attempt.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:20
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Saint Freak posted:Limsa is so poorly ran that a man, a catlady, and a potato are a more effective police force than the yellowjackets. It’s a pirate city. Its definition of ‘effective police force’ is... unconventional.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:28
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Arist posted:Man that stealth section in the level 40 NIN quest suuuuucked, glad I was able to just sprint through it on my fifth failed attempt. That quest was weird. The first time I failed to get past the first group of people because they kept outhealing my damage for some reason. The second time, I did it without any hiccup whatsoever. 
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Dec 21, 2017 20:30
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Arist posted:Man that stealth section in the level 40 NIN quest suuuuucked, glad I was able to just sprint through it on my fifth failed attempt. You know, people criticize quests for not rising above the "go here and kill things" framework but I have to say, I get very annoyed at quests that actually attempt to.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:38
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A. Beaverhausen posted:/Flame Salute She's a poo poo leader (at least at the beginning) but a good person; that's sort of the point.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:39
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:
She's the best for her role in the level 50 armorer quest if nothing else.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:39
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:Also her guard wouldn't let me stop by to say hi so I only have this old-rear end screenshot. Jerk. The fact you can't say "I'm the warrior of light, I've visited Merlwyb like 50 times before, you blind idiot" to him is a travesty.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:56
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SettingSun posted:You know, people criticize quests for not rising above the "go here and kill things" framework but I have to say, I get very annoyed at quests that actually attempt to. It was really cool having a quest that taught you how to/made you use Sleep considering how...not useful it is now.
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