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DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

I wish they'd rejigger Part 7 to at least have a bonus to Stalk, since that guy was creeping up on everyone in the movie in spite of being a waterlogged pile of goo

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ComposerGuy
Jul 28, 2007

Conspicuous Absinthe
Part 7 would be viable if any of the maps had around 50 percent deep water. Like a map with a lot of islands with maybe one centralized landmass.

That would make his insane water speed useful for more that just stopping the boat. It could become a legit traveling option to save on shift or morph.

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.
I heard somewhere that each window kill counts towards the PHD achievement. As in: Throwing someone out a closed window/open window/smashed window and the same throwing some IN all those variants AS WELL AS UPSTAIRS WINDOWS too.

Is there any truth to that? Because that's bonkers and untrackable.

Ghostpilot
Jun 22, 2007

"As a rule, I never touch anything more sophisticated and delicate than myself."
A subtle aspect of part 7 is that his door-hacking animation is pretty fast since he has a 1-handed weapon. It's sort of like half of a Destruction trait.

A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich
https://twitter.com/Friday13thGame/status/943918284730195971?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E2

For someone on the fence

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

Reign on me.

Ghostpilot posted:

A subtle aspect of part 7 is that his door-hacking animation is pretty fast since he has a 1-handed weapon. It's sort of like half of a Destruction trait.

Uhhh what? It takes him 6 wacks and it takes god damned forever.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

I will say his nigh-infinite Sense is nice. By god I know where all of you kids are at all times, now hold still while I slowly waddle after you

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

DeathChicken posted:

I will say his nigh-infinite Sense is nice. By god I know where all of you kids are at all times, now hold still while I slowly waddle after you

It really does make the other Jasons look like deaf assholes who can't see poo poo

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
Part 7 is a tragic villian because he knows where everyone is all the time with sonar-like accuracy, but his fat rear end is so drat slow people can outrun his shift :arghfist::murder:

Ghostpilot
Jun 22, 2007

"As a rule, I never touch anything more sophisticated and delicate than myself."

TheBizzness posted:

Uhhh what? It takes him 6 wacks and it takes god damned forever.

Compare the speed of his swings on a door to any other Jason without Destruction.

Danaru posted:

Part 7 is a tragic villian because he knows where everyone is all the time with sonar-like accuracy, but his fat rear end is so drat slow people can outrun his shift :arghfist::murder:

Pair him up with Pamela: "they're over here, Mommy." :murder: I simply can't imagine that they (or anyone in beta) played Part 7 and thought he was okay.

Ghostpilot fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Dec 22, 2017

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

Reign on me.
I’ve been playing offline a lot and trying to get into a locked door with 7 is a god drat nightmare.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
I just had a thought, like how gamebreaking would it be to allow Jason to Shift through open windows? Only open ones, so counselors who open every window would just be opening up more Shift holes.

It'd fit in fine with the slasher motif, and it'd be another good way to freak players out with Stalk by Stalk-Shifting into open windows and then popping up in another room inside a totally locked cabin.

A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich

King Vidiot posted:

I just had a thought, like how gamebreaking would it be to allow Jason to Shift through open windows? Only open ones, so counselors who open every window would just be opening up more Shift holes.

It'd fit in fine with the slasher motif, and it'd be another good way to freak players out with Stalk by Stalk-Shifting into open windows and then popping up in another room inside a totally locked cabin.

It's kind of funny, Jason just loves windows in the movies.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice
I always thought there should be environmental kills for the unopenable windows where, if a counselor stands too close, Jason can smash through and pull them out.

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



Or just throw them head first into the shutter to break their neck.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
I created an alternate ending to Part 8 and frankly I think it's a better finale to the series, not to doot my own horn

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Phylodox posted:

I always thought there should be environmental kills for the unopenable windows where, if a counselor stands too close, Jason can smash through and pull them out.

It'd take a total retooling of some game systems, but making something like that Stalk-only would be neat. Maybe give Stalk a very limited see through walls ability, like you have to stand right by a wall to see counselors highlighted in a small area. Mostly I just want more ways to actually scare other players and/or get scared, and being able to break doors or windows to grab counselors would be great.

Like if a counselor is standing right by an inner door and/or in the process of locking it, you could hit a prompt to break through in one weapon swipe into a grab, breaking the door instantly and putting them into the grabbed state.

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

Jason loves to grab people through walls in the movies and there needs to be some way to do that.

A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich
It would be cool if the bots outfits were random/how you dressed them. Hopefully a feature they can add at some point.

joylessdivision
Jun 15, 2013



Danaru posted:

I created an alternate ending to Part 8 and frankly I think it's a better finale to the series, not to doot my own horn

Fine I'll doot it for you.

That loving owned. Give me that ending on bluray and Part 8 is my new favorite.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






codenameFANGIO posted:

Jason loves to grab people through walls in the movies and there needs to be some way to do that.

Instantly grabbing people through walls/doors/windows with Rage mode should be a thing.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Or at least through those breakable garage door...things littering half of the cabins.

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

Reign on me.
Just played a match where I got to come back as Tommy.... even though I was still alive?

ComposerGuy
Jul 28, 2007

Conspicuous Absinthe

TheBizzness posted:

Just played a match where I got to come back as Tommy.... even though I was still alive?

If you escape you still have a chance to come back as Tommy. The game *favors* players that were killed, but will pick an escapee if either no one has died by the time the game makes the choice or if you just happen to hit the lottery on the random roll.

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



I came back as Tommy the instant the door kill animation started playing the other night. Didn't even get to see my head get smashed.

ComposerGuy
Jul 28, 2007

Conspicuous Absinthe
I've played at least 5 bot matches on every map at this point and I'm ready to make the call that if you want even a token resistance from the AI, you play on Crystal Lake or Crystal Lake Small.

The AI almost seems like it was tested specifically to work on Crystal Lake, and the small version even more so.

Consistently on CLsmall the bots get a car going inside of 2-3 minutes. In fact, half the times I've played that map they've gotten a car started while I was still at the phone house on my initial patrol. They then do a generally OK job of making me bounce between the cars and the phone to keep them from getting the police call off...and even then they managed to call the cops in one of my rounds.

I think it may have to do with a couple of factors. Crystal Lake is relatively flat in terms of terrain, unlike Packanack and Jarvis House. The only really hilly area is around the archery range and the boathouse, and since the boat doesn't spawn in bot matches, they never have a reason to be over there. Crystal Lake also has no water running through the middle of it, unlike Higgins. Water seems to really gently caress with the AI pathing. So those two factors combined, plus the relatively spread-out nature of the cabin spawns on CL means the AI is better able to direct counselor movement towards objectives. In fact it isn't uncommon for me to hear both cars being repaired at the same time relatively early in the match (pre-stalk, and sometimes even pre-shift). The roads, too, have fewer twists and other possible obstacles, making it easier for the AI to drive (the bots still drive like a Sunday church lady in terms of speed, but at least on CL they manage to get a chance to drive at all).

Also worth noting, the hard AI rarely messes up the repair minigame. If it's anyone from Kenny or better in terms of repair, they *never* mess it up. Anyone lower will sometimes mess up once, but that's it. The AI also knows where all the possible spawn points are for guns and repair items, and usually canvasing for shotguns is high on the priority list.

So basically if you're looking for at least a token attempt at resistance, play on Crystal Lake or Crystal Lake Small (small is a bit more of a "challenge"). The bots still aren't what I'd call competent, but they have a better grasp of what to do.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Regrettable posted:

I came back as Tommy the instant the door kill animation started playing the other night. Didn't even get to see my head get smashed.

in order to combat dumb motherfuckers who disconnect the second they get killed, jason now gets credit for the kill and the points at the BEGINNING of the kill animation, instead of the end.

this has the side effect of making the game consider you dead immediately, so you can come back as tommy j right away.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Speaking of Tommy, it seems if he's the last bot alive, he really enjoys just finding a nice campfire somewhere and standing there doing nothing until the inevitable end. I've gotten him twice this way. Even smacked him once just to see if he'd get going. Nope

Also yeah, I've teleported to the car at the very start of the match and found LaChappa had somehow already beaten me to getting the battery in. Was like, you little dick

DeathChicken fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Dec 22, 2017

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
Some other bot quirks I've seen, they tend to have trouble figuring out that they need to get into the driver's side if the car breaks down and they flee. Also I have never seen a bot either stop for another bot to get into a car, nor have I seen them start a car and then wait for other bots. They just fix the car and drive off by themselves. They also seem to have the tendency to death grip any repair item they have, like I chased a Lachappa away from a car he was trying to gas up and then I left him to his own devices. Ten minutes or more later I ran into him again still holding that drat can of gas, he didn't even go back to gas the car up once I let off him.

ComposerGuy
Jul 28, 2007

Conspicuous Absinthe

King Vidiot posted:

Also I have never seen a bot either stop for another bot to get into a car, nor have I seen them start a car and then wait for other bots.

I've seen it. Again, on Crystal Lake Small. Tommy and Mitch rolled up on an abandoned two-seater together, both got in and started driving.

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

Reign on me.

ComposerGuy posted:

If you escape you still have a chance to come back as Tommy. The game *favors* players that were killed, but will pick an escapee if either no one has died by the time the game makes the choice or if you just happen to hit the lottery on the random roll.

Oh I know. I was rooting around through an unsearched cabin (pubbies suck) and suddenly it went to Tommy jarvis cutscene and I was Tommy. Very odd.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Finally cleared Virtual Cabin. Whoa hell but taking a left through the woods outside made me jump

Comfortador
Jul 31, 2003

Just give me all the 3ggs_n_b4con you have.

Wait...wait.

I worry what you just heard was...
"Give me a lot of b4con_n_3ggs."

What I said was...
"Give me all the 3ggs_n_b4con you have"

...Do you understand?
I was killed tonight as Jason twice in a row tonight. Is that because there are better players just starting to play again or are there some other stupid shenanigans going on? I've never been killed as Jason ever so it took me by surprise. Also it seemed like everyone had shotguns and pocket knives Jesus Christ.

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

Reign on me.
I’ve seen it being done with much more frequency lately, not exactly sure the reason for it though.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

DeathChicken posted:

Finally cleared Virtual Cabin. Whoa hell but taking a left through the woods outside made me jump

could we get a spoiler pastebin of stuff to do to clear VC at some point? i spent about an hour with it and got so annoyed at interactable things randomly losing their interaction buttons and tons of obtuse horseshit with the computer and such that i'm just never going to do it on my own.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Coolguye posted:

could we get a spoiler pastebin of stuff to do to clear VC at some point? i spent about an hour with it and got so annoyed at interactable things randomly losing their interaction buttons and tons of obtuse horseshit with the computer and such that i'm just never going to do it on my own.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1236968696 Here you go

A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich

Coolguye posted:

could we get a spoiler pastebin of stuff to do to clear VC at some point? i spent about an hour with it and got so annoyed at interactable things randomly losing their interaction buttons and tons of obtuse horseshit with the computer and such that i'm just never going to do it on my own.

If you give no fucks, here are the answers

http://forum.f13game.com/topic/14114-spoiler-virtual-cabin-20-complete-guide/

If just want a hint, I can be vague

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
give zero fucks, thanks for the links

joylessdivision
Jun 15, 2013



Coolguye posted:

give zero fucks, thanks for the links

I used a guide pretty much right away. There was no way I was going to figure it all out.

It's a neat little addition to the game for sure and holy poo poo do I want a first person mode in this game now. God drat it would make playing as a counselor so much more intense.

Also the ending :allears:

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Ghostpilot
Jun 22, 2007

"As a rule, I never touch anything more sophisticated and delicate than myself."
:siren: Heads up as it was announced twenty minutes ago. :siren:

"Double XP is now active alongside increased chance to get tapes!
Double XP is active until January 2nd and increased chance to get tapes is active until December 27th! Make sure to play a lot this week and get those awesome new kills!"

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