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Question about promotions: I'm a GS-6 on a 5-6-7 ladder right now. I'm taking a new within-agency job that is a 6-7 ladder (same position). I will have 365 days as a GS-6 and be promoted to a GS-7 before I take the new job. I took the new job as a GS-6 because, obviously, I didn't have my time in grade, and was selected as a GS-6. Is this going to be an issue?
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Ask to talk to an HR rep about it. Promotions have a whole slew of weird rules.
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Would you all mind sharing where in the world you guys are? Like, are most of you near DC? Are you all pretty spread out?
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N. Senada posted:Would you all mind sharing where in the world you guys are? Like, are most of you near DC? Are you all pretty spread out? Wisconsin. It sounds like most everyone here is a gs, I'm a demo employee (good luck finding info on opm about it) which has it's own ups and downs but if the conceit is everyone hates the automatic step increases and raises, well demo fixes that without gutting pensions... PneumonicBook fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 13:59
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overseas
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Dec 20, 2017 14:49
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Midwest capital city.
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Nebraska, GS Immigration
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Also in DC. Both my spouse and I work for the government, he has about a year and a half head start on me. Our plan was originally to move here from the south then find a transfer to where it’s a lot cheaper to live.
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Dec 20, 2017 16:06
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DC, but a full time teleworker.
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Dec 20, 2017 21:38
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Denver, traveling to the surrounding 5 states
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Middle of nowhere, western state.
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Dec 21, 2017 06:53
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I'm in Seattle but am a contractor so largely out of place here. I just lurk for the occasional clearance questions. Might be headed to DC for 16 weeks at the end of January however.
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I spent three years in the DC area as a contractor waiting for the agency I was contracting with to hire me on. Their infinite wisdom decided to send me to Los Angeles but coming out of the academy I got a hardship transfer to NY to take care of my parents. Came on as a 9 in a 7/9/11/12/13 progression ladder and made my 11 this September. For all the contractors out there hoping to go Fed. Keep the dream alive and hope you can afford to take the pay cut when you finally get the offer.
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O-H.PneumonicBook posted:It sounds like most everyone here is a gs, I'm a demo employee (good luck finding info on ppl about it) which has it's own ups and downs but if the conceit is everyone hates the automatic step increases and raises, well demo fixes that without gutting pensions... AcqDemo? I might have a few questions for you later if so.
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Max Peck posted:O-H. I'm not familiar with acq but I might just be ignorant. It's always just referred to as Demo. To clarify I'm under a payband, and compete with other demo employees directly for a yearly raise. Not sure if that helps. Designators are NT for engineering technicians, ND for scientists or engineers, and there's another for admin types but I can never remember it. PneumonicBook fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Dec 22, 2017 03:15
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PneumonicBook posted:I'm not familiar with acq but I might just be ignorant. It's always just referred to as Demo. To clarify I'm under a payband, and compete with other demo employees directly for a yearly raise. Not sure if that helps. Designators are NT for engineering technicians, ND for scientists or engineers, and there's another for admin types but I can never remember it. That sounds like a different but similar system--AcqDemo paths are NH (professional), NJ (technician), and NK (admin support), but it's similarly paybanded.
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2018 GS pay scale is up https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/2018/general-schedule/
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Woo extra $1207 per year. It ain't much, but it helps.
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Portland, OR, just hit g-8, woo. Can't wait for some actual positions to open up in this city. Should only be a few more years.
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cool startup feel posted:2018 GS pay scale is up My kids' daycare tuition is increasing over 5% for 2018, so that's where my extra pay is going. Five years to go until they're done. 
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Dec 23, 2017 05:31
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There's not going to be a government to hire me, is there.
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The process is often long enough that there might be a new administration before you get in.
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Late to the party, but I spent 12 years in Korea and moved to Hawaii about a year ago.
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N. Senada posted:Would you all mind sharing where in the world you guys are? Like, are most of you near DC? Are you all pretty spread out? Kansas City, MO. Big SSA processing center. Seems like the only Fed employers here are SSA and IRS. The tax boys and girls have their very own Orwellian looking fortress while I work in... well, an Orwellian/Soviet looking fortress like rectangle. AmishSpecialForces fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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USCIS has a huge facility right outside Kansas City too, for records storage and field office support
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So I've recently started applying to stuff on USAJOBS, mostly GS 6 and under things in the departments of Agriculture and the Interior, things like Park Guide, Biological Science Aid, Survey Aid, etc. They're almost all temporary 6-month positions. I'm curious about the application timeline on these things. I've always heard that the hiring process for government jobs take forever, but is that true even for more short-term stuff? Some of the applications say they expect to make a decision within 40 days of the closing date. Well, 40 days has come and gone since the closing date on those and I haven't heard anything, although they are still in my active applications. Others say the positions start in April/May, but the majority of them don't give any info about start dates. I know job-hunting can take a while, but it's discouraging looking at the applications that list me as "Best Qualified" yet still hearing absolutely nothing. Although, I imagine Thanksgiving/Xmas season probably delays things a bit. Also, should I be doing a cover letter for these things? None of them have mentioned submitting one, but I guess I could if I wanted to. I know it wouldn't hurt, but what is the likelihood of someone actually reading an optional cover letter for like a GS 2-3 position?
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Wassup future DOI bro/brah  Temp positions in DOI and FS are exempted service, so hiring doesn't take nearly as long. It's fairly easy to get someone in and working. Odds are if they say they want to make a decision within 40 days and it's been 40 days, you should start looking elsewhere. That being said, it's still fairly early in the hiring period where we land management goons like to get our seasonals. Being still active in your applications means very little, as does being best qualified. You do not need a cover letter. Keep in mind that a lot of the NPS jobs are extremely competitive, even for temps. They're cool jobs that everyone wants. If you want a temp job, I would highly suggest you apply to every single posting you see. Even if you get stuck in a shithole for a season, you'll be far more competitive for good locations next year with a season of federal experience under your belt.
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sparkmaster posted:Wassup future DOI bro/brah Yeah, I figured these things are pretty competitive. Despite the low pay, most of the jobs sound like I would genuinely enjoy doing them. And yeah, I set up a job search thing and have been applying to pretty much everything on it. I’m willing to live basically anywhere if it’s just for 6 months or a year or whatever. It sucks that I haven’t heard anything yet, but I suppose getting your foot in the door is the hardest part. I guess I’ll just keep applying and work on getting more relevant experience in the meantime.
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I'd say a good 70% of temporary job postings in the land management agencies have some sort of government housing available. Isn't luxurious, but it's cheap and livable. Just having any temp experience, even if its not in a position you want to do long term, is going to help you. I think you can catch on someplace doing something. Good luck!
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Wooooo! Oh anyway I am in... ...Have I already said where I am in this thread Ugh whatever NEW ENGLAND OK though I have yet another interview next week in my everlasting quest to escape this job, an interview that as always I am going to feel I aced yet that will nonetheless not lead to a job, wish me predictability Beerdeer posted:USCIS has a huge facility right outside Kansas City too, for records storage and field office support
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I have kind of a dumb question. How am I in a major metropolitan area (three million plus people), yet there are at most usually 1-2 government job postings a day, and they're all like airforce radar technician, nurse at the VA, and other militaryish things? There’s a fair bit of VA medical stuff, but you can’t exactly do that without a healthcare background. I'm being serious, I think I'm screwing something up, because I have to assume there are more federal jobs than that in a three million person area. SlyFrog fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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The constant continuing resolutions have thrown off the usual federal hiring cycle. If i recall, they can only fill spots already on their task order and not create new positions. This depends on people vacating those existing positions. One of the most common ways would be retirement, then existing employees can move up and create lower grade positions that get external advertising. That said a lot of places have been hit with cuts to their open positions because you can't maintain the same cost with the same number of people when they get nearly guaranteed yearly promotions and pay increases. I work in the New York metro area and our division ended up having to kill a lot of open positions in two of our three core series that would have otherwise been available to entry level and non federal employees. It blows my mind that we still do recruiting fairs for one of those job series when all of the vacancies have been indefinitely cancelled and moved off our task order. TL;DR: Pray for congress to pass a real budget and you might see more openings.
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Apparently USDA is cutting their telework program drastically: https://www.ocio.usda.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2012/DR%204080-811-002_Telework%20Program.pdf From someone who currently works there: quote:In addition to this new Directive that was slammed on us, there was a subsequent "expedited" directive review process which obviously allowed this to be published and enforced with little or no comment. Congress passed laws requiring increased telework in all agencies which are the basis of all this. In the first part of the directive they say, yeah we know there are benefits etc. to telework but basically not if it affects the efficiency of the work etc. In our group, many people are already remote in another city from our DC office and we work in a local office. All of our meetings contacts work assignments etc. are done remotely. Adding 3 hours in commutes daily several days, increased parking costs, pollution, adding to traffic congestion, etc. were all part of the reason for legislation and subsequent legislation to require reluctant agencies to participate. (H.R. 1722 (111th): Telework Enhancement Act of 2010). I don't work for USDA, but the office that I work for also heavily expanded telework under the past administration. I think my agency stopped leasing at least two DC office buildings due to allowing people up to 80% telework, which allowed cubicles to be shared between three people a week. The actual HQ building is more of a hoteling structure, where its a free for all for a desk and you have your portable file cabinet. If they somehow pulled something like this off in my agency, a lot of people would quit. We already are having a lot of people leave due to our Secretary.
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Midge the Jet posted:Apparently USDA is cutting their telework program drastically: https://www.ocio.usda.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2012/DR%204080-811-002_Telework%20Program.pdf I can telework when it snows... The negative stigma that teleworking gets is frustrating, I've got an hour commute one way and I really only need to be at my job site 2 or 3 days a week but if I ever tried to do that I don't think it would work out favorably for me.
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as a usda employee that teleworks/travels 100% of the time, lmao I'm hoping this line is what saves me: When telework is used to address space availability restrictions, such as in the use of hoteling or desk sharing, a Mission Area, agency, or staff office head may approve telework exceeding 2 days a pay period on a case-by-case basis. since the nearest office to me is over an hour a way and afaik has no free space.
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PneumonicBook posted:I can telework when it snows... Yeah, I used to have to commute everyday from 50 miles away unless there was inclement weather. I took the train, but it still is about 90 minutes each way. The job itself really had no reason to be in the office, as everything was doable remotely. As soon as I could, I transferred out of that agency for a job that said during the interview that they offered 80% telework. I put in for the max amount of once I passed the 90-day mark and vowed not to change jobs again unless it was close to my home or we both were able to move elsewhere.
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