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Zuul the Cat posted:Maybe not 1 of the 2. If it's loyalist and they don't have a model yet, that's what - Lion, Sanguinius, Khan & Dorn? I'm betting Lion and Khan. Lion, Sanguinus, and Khan are the only three Primarchs without FW models.
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Technowolf posted:Lion, Sanguinus, and Khan are the only three Primarchs without FW models. Dorn and Alpharius don't count?
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Dec 22, 2017 01:59
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Lion's not a bad bet considering the fluff in the new codex says he's fully healed and just waiting for the right moment to come back and gently caress poo poo up
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Dec 22, 2017 02:02
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Pendent posted:Dorn and Alpharius don't count? They at least have rules.
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Dec 22, 2017 02:07
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Fluff question since I never paid any attention to the Dark Angels years ago: what exactly is the whole "Dark Angels secret" that gets so many memes and lovely nerd jokes
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Dec 22, 2017 02:13
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goose willis posted:Fluff question since I never paid any attention to the Dark Angels years ago: what exactly is the whole "Dark Angels secret" that gets so many memes and lovely nerd jokes Half the Dark Angels went Chaos during the Heresy, and there's still a bunch of them kicking around.
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Dec 22, 2017 02:16
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goose willis posted:Fluff question since I never paid any attention to the Dark Angels years ago: what exactly is the whole "Dark Angels secret" that gets so many memes and lovely nerd jokes Their fluff secret is that half of their legion fell to chaos I think. That's where the fallen come in. The joke is that their whole chapter and primarch is based on the poet Lionell Johnson who wrote a book I believe was called "Dark Angel" about secretly being gay.
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Dec 22, 2017 02:17
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That seems kind of underwhelming I thought it would be something more outlandish but OK
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Dec 22, 2017 02:19
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The whole DA thing was a lot more impactful before the HH books revealed that a whole bunch of loyalists went traitor, or Blackshield. Kinda makes them look like they're over-reacting hardcore. Moreso, I mean.
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Dec 22, 2017 02:28
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SteelMentor posted:The whole DA thing was a lot more impactful before the HH books revealed that a whole bunch of loyalists went traitor, or Blackshield. It's a big deal in the novels that there were loyalist members of every traitor legion, and traitor members of every loyalist legion. The first Grey Knights were an amalgamation of the loyalist members of traitor legions that reached Terra, with the Death Guard and Iron Warriors representing the most substantial contingents so far in the novels.
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Dec 22, 2017 02:30
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Hell the books even have the Nemean Reaver, a former Dark Angel who went Blackshield then gets recruited into the Knights Errant. GW should have really rethought the DA's backstory through.
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Dec 22, 2017 02:34
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I played a game today at a local store and the store owner told my opponent and me that we were using "too much terrain." I mentioned that having plenty of line of sight blocking terrain lessened the first-turn advantage and made the game more balanced. He said that having lots of terrain was against the rules, and that if we wanted to play in a "serious" way we should have very few pieces of terrain on the table.
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Dec 22, 2017 02:37
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:Anybody need a Magnus? I got him for a buddy who won't actually be starting the game, let alone a TS army. Hey, I'm starting a TS army!  (not shown, heads and torsos from ForgeWorld) I even have an objective marker! 
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Dec 22, 2017 02:39
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SteelMentor posted:The whole DA thing was a lot more impactful before the HH books revealed that a whole bunch of loyalists went traitor, or Blackshield. Exactly, it used to be that the legions all went chaos or stayed loyal. To be honest I like the alt theory that Luther stayed loyal and that the “good” DA were killed to keep quiet only because it doesn’t make sense otherwise. I mean, a huge chunk of White Scars tried to turn, and ended up getting their asses kicked by the Khan- you don’t see them getting all broody.
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Dec 22, 2017 02:40
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SteelMentor posted:Hell the books even have the Nemean Reaver, a former Dark Angel who went Blackshield then gets recruited into the Knights Errant. It's a scale thing. Luther had a full strength legion that he'd recruited turn with him. Not a few guys here and there. Anyway, to an extent they have. In addition to their shame the DA have: Secretly ignored the command to break the legion, which is grounds for them to be wiped out. Maintained, and continued to use, an arsenal of prohibited Dark Age weapons (granted, with the Emperor's pre-Heresy blessing). Appear to secretly hold their own STC manufacturing set up for gear like jetbikes, Terminator suits, and plasma weapons. OhDearGodNo posted:To be honest I like the alt theory that Luther stayed loyal and that the “good” DA were killed to keep quiet only because it doesn’t make sense otherwise. It's canonically not true though. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Dec 22, 2017 02:42
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Gilgameshback posted:I played a game today at a local store and the store owner told my opponent and me that we were using "too much terrain." I mentioned that having plenty of line of sight blocking terrain lessened the first-turn advantage and made the game more balanced. He said that having lots of terrain was against the rules, and that if we wanted to play in a "serious" way we should have very few pieces of terrain on the table. I can sort of see wanting you to use less terain if there's a limited amount and other players might need it but that's totally bizarre. Was this an actual GW store?
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Dec 22, 2017 02:48
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:It's canonically not true though. Well yeah, it is now. Before though that was always the more interesting possibility and fit in with the dark angels going to such extreme and team killy lengths to keep details hidden.
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Dec 22, 2017 02:54
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The reason Dark Angels treat it like such a big deal is that to the Ministorum and the Imperial Bureaucracy at large there were no traitor Dark Angels. It's still a hilarious overreaction.
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Dec 22, 2017 02:54
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Two Beans posted:Hey, I'm starting a TS army! im the four books needed to play
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Dec 22, 2017 02:56
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Pendent posted:I can sort of see wanting you to use less terain if there's a limited amount and other players might need it but that's totally bizarre. Was this an actual GW store? No, just a comics and games store. We were the only ones in the store - no competition for tables.
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Dec 22, 2017 02:56
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Gilgameshback posted:if we wanted to play in a "serious" way we should have very few pieces of terrain on the table I bet that fuckboy had an army relying on first turn charges
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Dec 22, 2017 02:58
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im the sexy box of skulls
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goose willis posted:I bet that fuckboy had an army relying on first turn charges This is my guess as well, he was just grooming you for the inevitable full blown cheese when you play him.
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Artum posted:Well yeah, it is now. I honestly always thought that theory was the obvious, boring one. Maybe I'd have liked it more if Gav Thorpe weren't a hack fraud. Strobe posted:The reason Dark Angels treat it like such a big deal is that to the Ministorum and the Imperial Bureaucracy at large there were no traitor Dark Angels. I like the idea that it is ten thousand years of covering up the cover up. One lie begat another, always stepping further away from what they intended. Lion's going to be pissed off when he wakes up. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:im the four books needed to play I'm the obsolete 7th ed fifth and sixth book I picked up just for cool Tzeenchy marine pictures and stories and game ideas.
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Dec 22, 2017 03:02
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Artum posted:Well yeah, it is now. I’ve noticed DA players get really upset over this theory.
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Dec 22, 2017 03:16
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Gilgameshback posted:I played a game today at a local store and the store owner told my opponent and me that we were using "too much terrain." I mentioned that having plenty of line of sight blocking terrain lessened the first-turn advantage and made the game more balanced. He said that having lots of terrain was against the rules, and that if we wanted to play in a "serious" way we should have very few pieces of terrain on the table. He saw that you were playing 40k and not WHFB, right?
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Gilgameshback posted:I played a game today at a local store and the store owner told my opponent and me that we were using "too much terrain." I mentioned that having plenty of line of sight blocking terrain lessened the first-turn advantage and made the game more balanced. He said that having lots of terrain was against the rules, and that if we wanted to play in a "serious" way we should have very few pieces of terrain on the table. You know you gotta do this like a sitcom where you keep adding more terrain to the table every time you play, until there's just way too much terrain, but you refuse to give in.
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Guy Goodbody posted:You know you gotta do this like a sitcom where you keep adding more terrain to the table every time you play, until there's just way too much terrain, but you refuse to give in. "what we're not allowed to play in a tunnel system? Stop stifling creativity"
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OhDearGodNo posted:I’ve noticed DA players get really upset over this theory. Well how the hell else do they square off their dudes straight up murdering entire companies of other chapters to keep them quiet?
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Dec 22, 2017 03:45
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Artum posted:"what we're not allowed to play in a tunnel system? Stop stifling creativity" 
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Artum posted:Well how the hell else do they square off their dudes straight up murdering entire companies of other chapters to keep them quiet? I’d say that act canonizes it.
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Safety Factor posted:Sure you can! It's called Zone Mortalis. Get that weak-rear end single layer poo poo out of here.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:It's canonically not true though. "Innocence" proves nothing. OhDearGodNo posted:I’ve noticed DA players get really upset over this theory. Also this. 
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Dec 22, 2017 04:10
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Two Beans posted:I'm the obsolete 7th ed fifth and sixth book I picked up just for cool Tzeenchy marine pictures and stories and game ideas. Hit up my email for Magnus NIB shipped for a price substantially less than GW's! herpderpspamcatcher@gmail.com
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OhDearGodNo posted:I’ve noticed DA players get really upset over this theory. ’i’m not heretical ! im not heretical!!’, i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a chaos spawn
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Strobe posted:The reason Dark Angels treat it like such a big deal is that to the Ministorum and the Imperial Bureaucracy at large there were no traitor Dark Angels. It's probably one of those things where it wouldn't have been a huge deal if they'd come clean about it up front (it probably would have been, since they only found out about Luther and the Fallen right after the Heresy, which is when the Imperium was least likely to give a poo poo about excuses where heretics were involved), but now they have to explain not just the Fallen, but the ten thousand years of lying about that poo poo, and it'll just be weird. Also, I mean, The Bangles turn into space Draculas because their dad died, and the Black Templars only exist because Dorn couldn't let anything go. Hilarious Overreaction is an extremely 40k thing to do. Artum posted:Well how the hell else do they square off their dudes straight up murdering entire companies of other chapters to keep them quiet? Mess with the best, die like the rest.  PantsOptional posted:’i’m not heretical ! im not heretical!!’, i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a chaos spawn Same:  I'm cool with the Lion coming back, but I think that and the "Luther escaped oh noooo" fluff in the codex are hooks for a splat book that might never happen.
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Artum posted:That's not really much of a nerf now that something taking up a slot on the force org is a good thing not bad. Eh, I don't agree. Eldar, especially Reapers, benefit from big squads for some of the stratagems. Forcing smaller squads cuts that advantage by a great deal. But I'd be just fine if they went up a couple of points a model - GW will probably break Reaper spam though, not curb it
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ANAmal.net posted:It's probably one of those things where it wouldn't have been a huge deal if they'd come clean about it up front (it probably would have been, since they only found out about Luther and the Fallen right after the Heresy, which is when the Imperium was least likely to give a poo poo about excuses where heretics were involved), but now they have to explain not just the Fallen, but the ten thousand years of lying about that poo poo, and it'll just be weird. The red thirst has been around longer than Sanguinius's death. The Blood Angels hulk out in apoplectic rage because their dad died. ANAmal.net posted:Mess with the best, die like the rest. I'm really hoping that we end up with the Fallen being the next big semi/Chaos faction and getting a full Codex. There are enough gameplay mechanics for units with the <Fallen> keyword in the DA codex that it'd be really dumb to continue having the exactly one unit that nobody cares about. Plus, we've also gotten some fluff indications that the number of Fallen is "nearly Legion strength". Luther's escape, plus the Lion, plus the Fallen, could very well be the next big thing.
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Strobe posted:The red thirst has been around longer than Sanguinius's death. The Blood Angels hulk out in apoplectic rage because their dad died. After Dark Mechanicum, please.
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