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Kilroy posted:They'd be impeached and removed by a democratically-elected Congress. It isn't the Wild West. This idea that the judiciary should be utterly removed and impervious to the will of the people is poison. Especially considering how unrepresentative the Senate already is, and they still had to bend every rule and hold up appointments for years to stack the courts, including the Supreme Court - no I think removing some of those judges (and at least one Justice) on the barest of pretense, or no pretense, is fair game What would you say if the current Republican Congress started doing this, using similar reasoning?
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Kilroy posted:Is there precedent for impeaching Justices (or federal judges for that matter) because they make too many terrible decisions and are just bad at the loving job? Could that conceivably pass muster as "not good behavior"? Samuel Chase was impeached in 1805 for being too partisan and a general shithead. He was impeached by the House but acquitted in his trial in the Senate. Abe Fortas resigned from the court in the 1960s to avoid impeachment.
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Kilroy posted:Well we're living in extraordinary times - no reason not to make some new precedent. I might go along with impeaching Gorsuch over the stolen seat thing, but I'm not fine with impeaching Roberts because he made a decision we didn't like. Especially since his VRA decision, though I disagreed with it, is not that remarkable. It can be easily fixed by a new Democrat congress, they just need to come up with new objective criteria for preclearance. (Or just make it simple and say all states must get preclearance, not just the south)
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Deteriorata posted:Samuel Chase was impeached in 1805 for being too partisan and a general shithead. He was impeached by the House but acquitted in his trial in the Senate. Wasn’t he taking bribes?
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His enemies might say the same thing.
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DaveWoo posted:What would you say if the current Republican Congress started doing this, using similar reasoning? I'm done waiting around for Republicans to dream up some fresh injustice that the rest of us have to react to. It's time to go on the offensive.
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There's no way that the Dems can get to 67 senators to impeach anyone.
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yronic heroism posted:There is “precedent” in some banana republic I am sure, but I prefer the rule of law myself.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:There's no way that the Dems can get to 67 senators to impeach anyone. Trump just signed their tax scam, what do they need him for anymore?
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Reik posted:Trump just signed their tax scam, what do they need him for anymore? I'm referring to the talk of impeaching Gorsuch.
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*wastes a bunch of time in senate impeachment hearings rather than expanding courts/appointing new judges/a million other priorities* Triggered, Repubs?
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Reik posted:Trump just signed their tax scam, what do they need him for anymore? For one thing, any Republican Senator who votes to remove Trump from office is 100% getting primaried hard from the right and they know it, and for another, we're talking about impeaching lovely right-wing federal judges/Supreme Court Justices and no Republican's gonna go along with that.
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I assume the thread already knows that the one-vote victory in the virginia house race is now a tie, and that tie is final. Anyway, they have scheduled the drawing of lots for Wednesday to determine the winner. Apparently they plan to put each candidates name into two old film canisters, put those cans into a bowl, shake it up, and have someone pull out one of the film canisters. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/tied-virginia-house-race-be-decided-drawing-name-out-bowl-n831856
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10) Revoke the White Vote.
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For my own benefit, I've put this into a calculator and determined what the bi-weekly checks would look like. I get paid twice per month and wanted to know what it's like to see those numbers. That's $717,680.77 every two weeks. I'm gonna throw up. My take-home is ~400 times smaller than that. Edit: It would take me twelve years to make what they make in two weeks. scuz fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Rigel posted:I assume the thread already knows that the one-vote victory in the virginia house race is now a tie, and that tie is final. I'm sure one of those canisters will be stored in the freezer for some weird reason right before it is used.
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Kilroy posted:I've got some bad news for you about how our courts got in their current state, then. Hey, I get it. You see yourself as the Steve Bannon of the left. Good luck with that.
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Mantis42 posted:10) Revoke the White Vote. 
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yronic heroism posted:Hey, I get it. You see yourself as the Steve Bannon of the left. Good luck with that. Of course I'm nothing like Steve Bannon, who wants to take power in order to institute genocide, and you're an idiot 
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Mantis42 posted:10) Revoke the White Vote. This would solve a lotta problems
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I mean, would the Democrats even be able to stomach impeaching gorsuch, even if they had the votes? I imagine it would have to depend on how the Mueller investigation turns out. If trump was indeed working for Russia, it could be argued that everything he did would need to be rendered void. Thing is, there's no real precedent or law on how to fix this stuff, so there'd be a lot of pressure to just "put it all behind us" like what Obama did to W, the whole "look forward not behind" stuff, while there are (possible) Russian agents are in our government. Also if Republicans ever got power again, I would be concerned they'd just impeach all the judges they don't like. They've already shown their contempt for, well, everything. This stuff is so confusing. Part of me wishes I never paid such close attention to this stuff.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I'm sure one of those canisters will be stored in the freezer for some weird reason right before it is used. While your cynicism is well taken, stewardship over this process is undertaken by the State Board of Elections, which is appointed by the Democratic Governor of Virginia and isn't likely to pull any funny business. Sadly.
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Just flip a drat coin why is this so complicated.
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Hey we're not all terrible
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Just flip a drat coin why is this so complicated. you really dont want anything to go wrong when using chance to select a winner to a contested race, as any do-overs or mulligans are lawsuit bait
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Kilroy posted:Especially considering how unrepresentative the Senate already is, and they still had to bend every rule and hold up appointments for years to stack the courts, including the Supreme Court Wait is the left still pretending that Gorsuch wasn't the direct result of Harry Reid deciding to change Senate rules via simple majority? Like, woah - who could have forseen a Republican Senate? We never meant for the rules to be abused *this* way, only in a way that benefits us!! Repeat with a unified Executive and Barack "the phone and the pen" Obama.
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I mean it could be related, in the fact that Mueller has met with the NY State Attorney and others at the state level regarding possible future charges in case of pardons.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Hey we're not all terrible Sure. I mean, I'm white like presumably most goons, and I posted the original thing. But, hoo boy are there some bad YTs.
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Steve Bannon posted:Okay so if wanting my side to take power and then loving use it to help and defend people and kick evil in the balls makes me Steve loving Bannon, then the right and the Republicans need a lot more "Steve Bannons". They need to be, like, composed entirely of Steve Bannons. Fixed that for you, Steve. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:Hey we're not all terrible Counterpoint: Yes we are.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Just flip a drat coin why is this so complicated. a perfectly fair 50:50 chance is bias for non regressives.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Hey we're not all terrible eh, it's still a net positive
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LaserShark posted:https://twitter.com/RealPressSecBot/status/944276638178537472
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FlamingLiberal posted:Hey we're not all terrible  Straight-D Ticket Whiteboy here, you have nothing to fear from me, please let me vote. In any case, I would be happy just to be considered part of Team Koala March for both gif-related and snack-related reasons. Mezzanine fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Wait is the left still pretending that Gorsuch wasn't the direct result of Harry Reid deciding to change Senate rules via simple majority?  Horseshit. You'd have to be both naive and stupid to honestly believe that the GOP would have confirmed Merrick Garland to Scalia's seat less than a year before the election.
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Let white people vote. Just make our votes only worth 3/5 of a black vote.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Wait is the left still pretending that Gorsuch wasn't the direct result of Harry Reid deciding to change Senate rules via simple majority? That's total bullshit, as the Democrats were quite clear in marking out the Supreme Court as needing a supermajority. Their interest was in getting government to function at all in the face of stalwart Republican opposition to anything happening under a Democratic government, which is a totally valid goal. Since the Republicans have demonstrated that they're willing to halt government when they're not in power, and run rough-shod over the rules when they are, it's become increasingly clear to many Democrats that participating in any GOP shenanigans is a mistake, even in the interest of good government; hence many Democrats openly calling for defunding.
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