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Dec 24, 2017 01:28
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EnergizerFellow posted:Not enough for 90% of the population to really notice or care, especially relative to the convenience of a higher hip point. Not to mention the ability to sit somewhat level with the other SUVs and modern pickup trucks you'll be commuting side-by-side with. Try parking an ordinary sedan from the 1990s or even the very early 2000s next to a modern SUV or truck.
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Dec 24, 2017 01:32
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Ecosport will also be the first Indian built vehicle sold in the US. We do need more side swinging rear barn doors instead of boring hatches though.
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Dec 24, 2017 02:18
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EnergizerFellow posted:Expect the Flex, Taurus, and Explorer to all die at once once the new BOF Ranger/Bronco arrives as they are all based on the old Volvo-derived D3 platform (the Lincoln MKT has already been killed). I don't think so, Tim. The Exploder is KILLING IT as a police car, and the Exploder based Aviator will probably take over from the MKT for livery use. It'll probably come factory has a 4 seater with 2 recliners in the back. They've sold 242,565 Explorers in the US so far this year That's still outselling their most popular car, the fusion, by over 50k.
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Dec 24, 2017 02:24
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Powershift posted:They're replacing the thing nobody bought with the thing people will probably buy. Everything about this and the news that the focus is going to be built in China too is:  I will not buy a Chinese Ferd. E: I mean FFS, like the stability of the fiesta(non ST) needed worsening, it's already banned from SCCA autox for being a rollover risk. BloodBag fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Dec 24, 2017 |
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Dec 24, 2017 02:26
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Powershift posted:I don't think so, Tim. The Exploder is KILLING IT as a police car, and the Exploder based Aviator will probably take over from the MKT for livery use. It'll probably come factory has a 4 seater with 2 recliners in the back. There's supposed to be a third model based on the Ranger platform. Could very well be the next Explorer.
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Dec 24, 2017 03:06
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Powershift posted:I don't think so, Tim. The Exploder is KILLING IT as a police car, and the Exploder based Aviator will probably take over from the MKT for livery use. It'll probably come factory has a 4 seater with 2 recliners in the back. The Explorer/Aviator twins will stick around as nameplates, yes, but expect their current D3 unibody forms to disappear in favor of the Global Ranger platform. I'll even bet money on it. There's also a good chance we'll see the Chinese CD4-based Taurus though once the current Taurus inventory is gone and the Chinese model is refreshed. Ford selling a CD4-based Edge/S-Max/Galaxy wagon branded as the 2-row Edge is a given in the US and there's some rumblings we'll see the 3-row Galaxy here as well. Any bets on the Edge/S-Max/Galaxy getting consolidated into a single CUV model with a 3rd row option? EnergizerFellow fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Dec 24, 2017 |
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Dec 24, 2017 03:39
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Q_res posted:There's supposed to be a third model based on the Ranger platform. Could very well be the next Explorer.
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Dec 24, 2017 03:54
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ilkhan posted:Explorer is established as a 3 row big CUV, it won't go back to the Ranger platform. Ranger, Bronco, and some Lincoln model will likely be on the same platform. The Global Ranger is more than big enough for Explorer. That and the Explorer literally was a Ranger wagon back in the day.
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Dec 24, 2017 04:03
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Even with the new Ecosport, Ford only has 5 SUVs now. BMW is working on number 7, and that's not even including the new 6 series which almost counts.
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Dec 24, 2017 04:12
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Let me put on my armchair strategists hat and tell you about why Ford should use the Mustang platform for a 4-door lift-back.
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Dec 24, 2017 04:17
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Let me put on my armchair strategists hat and tell you about why Ford should use the Mustang platform for a 4-door lift-back. Wait and see how many dozen Stingers Kia sells.
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Dec 24, 2017 04:23
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ilkhan posted:Explorer is established as a 3 row big CUV, it won't go back to the Ranger platform. Ranger, Bronco, and some Lincoln model will likely be on the same platform. Why wouldn't it? The Explorer is the last D3 model standing, and the replacement for D3 got shitcanned. Jeep and the Grand Cherokee show that you can be extremely successful selling a true SUV in the size range. A Lincoln version of the Bronco as a poor man's G-wagen could work, I'll admit I even like the idea. But they have to do something to replace the Explorer in the next few years.
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Dec 24, 2017 04:31
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Powershift posted:Wait and see how many dozen Stingers Kia sells. Audi seems to be doing OK selling the A5/S5 Sportback and A7/S7, plus there's the BMW 4-series Gran Coupe and Porsche Panamera. We'll also get to see how the 2018+ liftback versions of the Buick Regal are going to sell. EnergizerFellow fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Dec 24, 2017 |
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Dec 24, 2017 04:36
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The Explorer is doing very well as a 3 row CUV, and using the ranger platform would result in a return to an SUV style vehicle. I don't think they need a 3-row SUV, the Bronco will do just fine filling the SUV niche as a 2 row. What will underpin the next gen Explorer I don't know, I just don't think it'll be the Ranger platform. Not that I would complain if it did. The lack off off-road prowess is one of the things that pushed me to the F-150 over the Explorer.
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Dec 24, 2017 05:20
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There's still a small outside chance that the Bronco is a Wrangler competitor. They also said in 2020 there will be a ground up EV CUV
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Dec 24, 2017 05:25
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ilkhan posted:The Explorer is doing very well as a 3 row CUV, and using the ranger platform would result in a return to an SUV style vehicle. I don't think they need a 3-row SUV, the Bronco will do just fine filling the SUV niche as a 2 row. The Explorer could return to a stretched version of the Ranger platform, like how the current Durango is a stretched Grand Cherokee. EnergizerFellow posted:Audi seems to be doing OK selling the A5/S5 Sportback and A7/S7, plus there's the BMW 4-series Gran Coupe and Porsche Panamera. We'll also get to see how the 2018+ liftback versions of the Buick Regal are going to sell. While those are all enthusiast sedans, they're all under luxury brands. In a shrinking sedan market, it's not unreasonable to doubt the success of an enthusiast sedan under a mainstream nameplate.
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Dec 24, 2017 05:52
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Godzilla07 posted:While those are all enthusiast sedans, they're all under luxury brands. In a shrinking sedan market, it's not unreasonable to doubt the success of an enthusiast sedan under a mainstream nameplate. I'd argue that in medium/long-term things will be CUV == old wagon/hatchback and liftback == old sedan with traditional sedan trunks as we know them today vanishing on anything smaller than an S-class, especially given how large something like the Civic is now. You already have things like the Volvo V60 which, while marketed as a wagon, is really more hatchback/liftback than wagon. Things like the Chevrolet Malibu and Mazda6 have had liftbacks already. You could even argue that the Chevrolet Malibu Maxx was way ahead of it's time.
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Dec 24, 2017 06:04
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KakerMix posted:When do we get the Mustang SUV? It was known as the Ford Territory
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Dec 24, 2017 06:34
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You Am I posted:It was known as the Ford Territory  Huh, it doesn't look bad at all.
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Dec 24, 2017 06:39
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I really don't think they are going to convert the current Explorer plant to make a BOF Explorer. A BOF Explorer that has the same interior volume as the current one would be the size of an Expedition, the CAFE implications would be huge, supposing the president doesn't repeal CAFE or whatev...oh.
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Dec 24, 2017 07:12
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A body on frame explorer wouldn’t ride as comfortably as the current one. I’d bet money it stays as a unibody.
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Dec 24, 2017 09:01
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EnergizerFellow posted:I'd argue that in medium/long-term things will be CUV == old wagon/hatchback and liftback == old sedan with traditional sedan trunks as we know them today vanishing on anything smaller than an S-class, especially given how large something like the Civic is now. You already have things like the Volvo V60 which, while marketed as a wagon, is really more hatchback/liftback than wagon. Things like the Chevrolet Malibu and Mazda6 have had liftbacks already. You could even argue that the Chevrolet Malibu Maxx was way ahead of it's time. The V60 is very much a wagon. You are probably thinking of the V60 cross country which is lifted up
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Dec 24, 2017 16:17
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The v90 is also around and god drat is it sexy.
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Dec 24, 2017 16:51
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I had a v60 as a rental, and although I liked it, the interface design is complete poo poo. There's a separate button for EVERYTHING and you have to find it in that idiotic rectangle of shame they have where nothing is near anything else related to it. gently caress, that poo poo was annoying. Oh, and guess how to make the headrest go up. Go on, guess. You cant. Or at least you're not supposed to. This was extremely uncomfortable for me so my work around was to half-remove it, which you do by crawling into the back seat and finding the hidden buttons behind the leather. I had to YouTube that poo poo.
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Dec 24, 2017 17:48
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KillHour posted:Oh, and guess how to make the headrest go up. Go on, guess.
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Dec 24, 2017 17:59
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davebo posted:Wait, then what's that up arrow on the circle where the person-like figure's head is? Do hooks come down and pull your actual head up instead of the headrest? Guessing what we're looking at is HVAC controls and not seat adjustment controls. Pressing the head on that lil' guy means you get face air. Probably.
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Dec 24, 2017 18:10
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You Am I posted:It was known as the Ford Territory KakerMix posted:
Which has since been replaced with this awkward looking thing based of the Ranger 
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Dec 24, 2017 18:33
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dissss posted:Which has since been replaced with this awkward looking thing based of the Ranger It has the face of a creature that's run face-first into a glass door.
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Dec 24, 2017 20:01
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dissss posted:Which has since been replaced with this awkward looking thing based of the Ranger  The lift and the 2? 3 extra inches of material in the height of that thing just throw the proportions off. At least make the wheels bigger or something to try to correct it!
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Dec 24, 2017 20:27
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edit: nm
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Dec 24, 2017 20:56
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KillHour posted:I had a v60 as a rental, and although I liked it, the interface design is complete poo poo. There's a separate button for EVERYTHING..." Look how wrong you are. Buttons for everything is the right way to do interface design. Touch screens don't belong in cars.
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Dec 24, 2017 21:27
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:Look how wrong you are. Buttons for everything is the right way to do interface design. Touch screens don't belong in cars. While I agree with you, have you ever been inside a Porsche Cayenne? It's like the motherfucking Starship Enterprise.
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Dec 24, 2017 21:29
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KillHour posted:I had a v60 as a rental, and although I liked it, the interface design is complete poo poo. There's a separate button for EVERYTHING and you have to find it in that idiotic rectangle of shame they have where nothing is near anything else related to it. That headrest button is for disciplining unruly backseat passengers. They can fold their own headrests back up when the concussion they just received via the violently descending headrests finally recedes. Also, that is the last-gen *60. The new car, which we haven’t seen other than the XC60, is going to be an SPA car.
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Dec 25, 2017 00:56
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You Am I posted:It was known as the Ford Territory Thr biggest thing that let the territory (and the falcon in later years) down was the base spec taxi interior that spanned across all models. It always felt cheap and nasty and by the time it was retired felt like a 10 year old design, which in most ways it was.
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Dec 25, 2017 01:50
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:Look how wrong you are. Buttons for everything is the right way to do interface design. Touch screens don't belong in cars. Yes but the buttons should be grouped based on function and not just to make a pretty design
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Dec 25, 2017 02:47
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If you're not going to have a touch screen in your car, but still use on-screen controls for many of the functions of the car, you need to put a joystick in the center console instead of a knob on the passenger side next to the hvac controls.
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Dec 25, 2017 03:11
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Aargh posted:Thr biggest thing that let the territory (and the falcon in later years) down was the base spec taxi interior that spanned across all models. It always felt cheap and nasty and by the time it was retired felt like a 10 year old design, which in most ways it was. Yeah, but barra turbo, plus optional awd I was watching barra turbo conversion vid last night. Top pick was the VP commodore (barradore), and the r32 skyline.
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Dec 25, 2017 04:37
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Powershift posted:I don't think so, Tim. The Exploder is KILLING IT as a police car, and the Exploder based Aviator will probably take over from the MKT for livery use. It'll probably come factory has a 4 seater with 2 recliners in the back. is this a subtle reference to the carbon monoxide leaks that is affecting so many exploders?
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Dec 25, 2017 06:54
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Fo3 posted:Yeah, but barra turbo, plus optional awd Pity the body/chassis rust was a standard feature (or at least it was until the facelift by which time the reputation was already trashed). Also the turbo AWD was hilariously thirsty. I borrowed one to go skiing back in the day and saw well over 25l/100km over the course of the trip.
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