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er, mdm and data management were big selling points for bb well into the early iphone era. winmo had poo poo mdm after it was finally added to exchange and it basically didn't exist on symbian/palm without god awful middleware that managed to make bes look good i'm not defending blackberry here, they were poo poo from a butt for years before the whole modern smartphone thing, but their frankensteined email pager platform was really popular for a reason infernal machines fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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lol if you have a company phone managed by your employer
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i still kinda wish danger had stuck around so i could see the next few iterations of the hiptop/sidekick we could've gotten instead of the kin
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infernal machines posted:er, mdm and data management were big selling points for bb well into the early iphone era. Seriously, if you didn't have BB your alternative was MobileIron and I can tell you from experience that product was poo poo rear end poofuck compared to blackberry at the time
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yeah, like the contemporary alternatives could actually brick your mailbox in certain circumstances and accidentally downloading an attachment might cost you hundreds of dollars
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blackberry was doomed the moment the ceo of every fortune 500 firm brought in his brand new iphone and told IT to "just make it work"
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infernal machines posted:er, mdm and data management were big selling points for bb well into the early iphone era. notice how those are utterly irrelevant issues to the average consumer, and solutions were available for other platforms. blackberry would never have been able to keep coasting on "we're the least worst solution for Serious Business" thing in the face of CEOs demanding the alternate reality extremely popular Motorola Windows Textr or whatever other phones would have gotten big. some third party solution would have gotten picked up by a platform holder, quickly meeting BES feature parity, etc even in blackberry's best sales year, 2011, they only managed to sell 30 million phones across all their types. in modern years, 30 million phones get sold in a single day and theres just no way they'd ever meet those sorts of goals
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i guess, but you remember how reluctant large business and government were to give up bb as late as five years into their terminal marketshare tailspin? obviously that could have happened without apple, but given what ms was doing at the time, and even google's og android concept was directly targeted at the blackberry, not so much a consumer device, i don't think it would have been as quick as it was. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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apple definitely sped the process up but it was only because steve's glowing aura showed the industry which direction to move for a few years. everyone would have figured it out eventually and bb would have been just as incapable of executing. whether they had a year to figure it out or five was immaterial imo
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although now that i think about it they may have been able to limp along much longer without apple unloading on their knees with a machine gun. but this is getting into alternate history 'what if hitler was actually in taoism' so who cares
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Rex-Goliath posted:apple definitely sped the process up but it was only because steve's glowing aura showed the industry which direction to move for a few years. everyone would have figured it out eventually and bb would have been just as incapable of executing. whether they had a year to figure it out or five was immaterial imo well that and apple's negotiation with att made data plans with non comedy amounts of data a thing. part of the reason mobile web and data management existed was because you would pay $10/MB in some cases
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SO DEMANDING posted:the palm centro was kinda neat I was a huge Palm guy from the Treo 600 up until the Pre failed.
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windows phone was garbage and was never going to get better. microsoft threw it out and started over again. twice. and that was after Apple showed them what a phone should be. symbian s60 was similarly trash. it could not evolve into a mobile OS of the type we have today because Nokia was very bad at making software. they open sourced it because they knew it was hosed.
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...yes, but what about android? revolutionary
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infernal machines posted:...yes, but what about android? almost as if they copied the clear market leader in a sea of disaster mobile operating systems until a better one to copy came along.
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kwinklesOFFICIAL posted:almost as if they copied the clear market leader in a sea of disaster mobile operating systems until a better one to copy came along. yeah android became a lot better when it stopped copying the featurephone BlackBerry and instead copied the smartphone Symbian device. though you also have to remember that android was also meant to run where BREW and the other mobile java phones ran at the moment, ie just calls, texts, photos and a tiny amount of apps, all the way up to what would be a modern "flagship" device
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fishmech posted:yeah android became a lot better when it stopped copying the featurephone BlackBerry and instead copied the smartphone Symbian device. sure they copied symbian the clear leader in mobile phones today. fishmechin in rare form
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kwinklesOFFICIAL posted:sure they copied symbian the clear leader in mobile phones today. They did copy Symbian. The first iPhone was a featurephone - no apps
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a rare insight into the early anroid design process
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fishmech posted:They did copy Symbian. The first iPhone was a featurephone - no apps lmao. hundreds of apps made by literally *dozens* of developers.
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kwinklesOFFICIAL posted:lmao. ~*fishmech rages from within kitty jail*~
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infernal machines posted:i guess, but you remember how reluctant large business and government were to give up bb as late as five years into their terminal marketshare tailspin? worth saying that BB also had enormous amounts of good will at big telcos in that period - they drove blessed ARPU through BES subscriptions etc and a lot of sales people made filthy amounts of money selling the BB ecosystem. even when the playbook came out plenty of big stupid telcos were willing to give them a go just on past good will and tried to flog them into enterprises.
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The gently caress is chromecast even for
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it’s for casting chrome tabs of “watch X online” to the big screen
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Rex-Goliath posted:apple definitely sped the process up but it was only because steve's glowing aura showed the industry which direction to move for a few years. everyone would have figured it out eventually and bb would have been just as incapable of executing. whether they had a year to figure it out or five was immaterial imo also the co-ceo thing worked when the company was growing like gangbusters but when things turned sour it absolutely killed them because no one was in charge and there was no clear line of authority and the two principals stopped talking to each other and left each other alone
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poty posted:the fact that cremnob was banned while fishmech is allowed to roam free is truly one of the greatest injustices of all time
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kwinklesOFFICIAL posted:lmao.
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anthonypants posted:the iphone 1 had a 2g radio and its "apps" were shortcuts to webpages. it wasn't great. the iPhone 1 literally fixed the apps thing with a software update. it also had usable wifi and a real web browser and a giant touch screen. it was great for the time.
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The Management posted:the iPhone 1 literally fixed the apps thing with a software update. it also had usable wifi and a real web browser and a giant touch screen. it was great for the time.
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anthonypants posted:the iphone 1 had a 2g radio and its "apps" were shortcuts to webpages. it wasn't great. and this was where the iphone stopped development forever and was forgotten by history while symbian went on to be a huge market success that everyone just had to copy what kind of ARG are you guys living in
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The Management posted:the iPhone 1 literally fixed the apps thing with a software update. it also had usable wifi and a real web browser and a giant touch screen. it was great for the time. yeah they did a good job copying symbian
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kwinklesOFFICIAL posted:what kind of ARG are you guys living in the worst one. Britain vote itself into an economic crisis, America elected a racist scammer for president, and people keep talking about bitcoins.
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tbqh i could have done with living in a reality without neither iphones nor nazis
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kwinklesOFFICIAL posted:and this was where the iphone stopped development forever and was forgotten by history while symbian went on to be a huge market success that everyone just had to copy
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The S60 post-mortem is a great summary of all of Symbian's failings. But didn't MeeGo have a shot if Elop didn't turn out to be a double-agent for Microsoft? It looked much better and Sailfish OS is the only remaining alt-OS for mobile out there besides Tizen.
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anthonypants posted:well it's not the one where someone's making that argument, that's for sure google changed android from a blackberry lookalike to an iphone lookalike, pretending that symbian was what google was copying because the iphone 1 didn’t have an app store at launch is just silly, android market launched a half a year after the iphone app store. no one was trying to copy symbian because it was a hot garbage dumpster fire.
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DELETE CASCADE posted:wow, a million dollars? a whole million? gosh gee that's only the price of a 2br starter home in mountain view it’s hilarious how antsy and anxious people get when they have to confront the idea that their level of accumulated wealth might be excessive and immoral the median household income is 47k. a million dollars is bougie as gently caress
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