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Kyle Ren tried to kill the Mellencamp Falco, it's just really hard to hit and kill hero things when you're a Star Wars bad guy.
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Ferrinus posted:We’re shown Rey on the ship and, later, off the ship, demonstrating for us that she found a way off the ship. Since Kylo wakes up and she’s not visible, we can conclude that she fled without his knowledge. The ship he wakes up on is a half-shredded wreck, implying that the security and order that would have normally blocked Rey’s escape was then hampered. Later still we see that she’s taken the broken saber with her. Isn't she randomly on the Falcon after that? Like... within a short span she evacuated Snoke's ship and then met up with the Falcon and climbed aboard?
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Dec 25, 2017 10:10
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Chewie went and picked her up. Are you upset because we didn't get to see this?
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Dec 25, 2017 10:32
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She uses Force Teleport to get onto the Falcon, actually.
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Dec 25, 2017 10:34
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Steve Yun posted:I'm glad thousands of people died so Poe could Learn A Valuable Lesson So this has been bugging me for a while and it probably got brought up earlier. Poe gets demoted because he orders a bombing run on a crippled dreadnought that this is literally their best opportunity to kill (it's lost all its AA batteries and the fighters weren't properly deployed). Assuming he just ran away when ordered to, wouldn't the dreadnought have just followed the Resistance with the rest of the First Order fleet and...blew up all the ships?
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Dec 25, 2017 10:34
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Showing Chewie picking her up would spoil the surprise of the Millennium Falcon turning up in the Crait scenes, so I'm not surprised they didn't show it.
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Chucat posted:So this has been bugging me for a while and it probably got brought up earlier. A crippled dreadnaught that was about to fire on the Resistance command ship. Also with the bombers he was presumably allocated by Leia and/or Ackbar.
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Dec 25, 2017 10:49
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Chucat posted:So this has been bugging me for a while and it probably got brought up earlier. itd probably just chase them for 18 hours because.....reasons
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Dec 25, 2017 10:50
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BarronsArtGallery posted:Chewie went and picked her up. Are you upset because we didn't get to see this? Chewie went back to the giant space battle to pick her up from the biggest baddest ship in the universe? I guess he just happened to turn around after his hyperspeed and wait out the big bad battle? lol I mean, I get it, she mad an escape but it literally would have taken a 10 second scene to give us an idea how it happens. Imagine any other Star Wars film but they never show anyone get on a ship or mention an escape plan. The group in ANH turns off the tractor beam and is just seen flying away, Boba Fett isn't seen taking Solo away, etc. It ruins the cohesion and feels disjointed as all gently caress when you just have to imply these things especially when none of the characters say anything about it either. Nope, just have the character disappear. In a film that's two and a half hours long there shouldn't be a god drat thing that's "implied" because you have enough time to show loving everything. In a film that's so poorly paced yet somehow bloated as all poo poo like TLJ it's astonishing these tiny things are everywhere. Mr. Flunchy posted:Showing Chewie picking her up would spoil the surprise of the Millennium Falcon turning up in the Crait scenes, so I'm not surprised they didn't show it. Are you serious when you say surprise?
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Dec 25, 2017 11:41
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s.i.r.e. posted:Chewie went back to the giant space battle to pick her up from the biggest baddest ship in the universe? I guess he just happened to turn around after his hyperspeed and wait out the big bad battle? lol Why show it when they didn't and it was fine?
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Dec 25, 2017 11:46
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s.i.r.e. posted:In a film that's two and a half hours long there shouldn't be a god drat thing that's "implied" because you have enough time to show loving everything. In a film that's so poorly paced yet somehow bloated as all poo poo like TLJ it's astonishing these tiny things are everywhere.
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Dec 25, 2017 11:47
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The action scenes in this movie were pretty awesome. I enjoyed every single one except Rose and Finn's escape from casinoplanet, that whole subplot probably could have been trimmed down a bit. Also the lightspeed kamikaze was goddam perfect. You couldn't hear a pin drop in my theatre when the music cut out. Also makes you question how are lightspeed asteroids not a weapon? Why isn't the empire buildings those instead of big expensive death stars
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Dec 25, 2017 11:50
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They probably had a scene filmed where the falcon picks up rey, but decided to cut it and many other mostly pointless scenes because they didn't want to have a 3 hour monster film. That said, I did think it came a bit out of nowhere when the falcon extremely conveniently showed up with rey on it.
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s.i.r.e. posted:Chewie went back to the giant space battle to pick her up from the biggest baddest ship in the universe? I guess he just happened to turn around after his hyperspeed and wait out the big bad battle? lol Well, they did lay out that that was the plan before she boarded.
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Dec 25, 2017 11:51
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s.i.r.e. posted:Are you serious when you say surprise? Yes. I know it's to totally be expected given Star Wars, but that doesn't mean you can't still design a scene around the Falcon suddenly appearing to save the day.
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Dec 25, 2017 11:54
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s.i.r.e. posted:
I don't think he's facetious, because the Falcon showing up is played for dramatic tension. Rose starts getting shot at by ties, the music ramps up, three ties line up behind her and then they all get taken out in one shot. Then there's the overhead shot of the shadow of the Falcon on the ground, before another quick shot of the ties exploding on the ground before the Hero shot of the Falcon. It may have been a given that the Falcon was going to show up, which is probably why you said that, but no one knew when. It is a fairly dramatic reveal
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Dec 25, 2017 12:00
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Well, sure. If you hadn't watched a single trailer.
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Milky Moor posted:Well, sure. If you hadn't watched a single trailer. Why would I watch trailers for movies I'm 100% going to watch anyway?
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Dec 25, 2017 12:05
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The Falcon coming back in ANH was character development, had a major impact on the plot, and didn't require 'hiding' other important plot points. In contrast the Falcon showing up in TLJ had zero impact on the plot (they all got shot down anyway) and showed nothing about characters. I guess it pushed off Poe having to decide whether to turn back or not. I mean: quote:It may have been a given that the Falcon was going to show up, which is probably why you said that, but no one knew when. It is a fairly dramatic reveal
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Dec 25, 2017 12:13
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This is a strange storytelling philosophy you have where every event must advance the main plot somehow.
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Dec 25, 2017 12:23
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I'm not sitting in the theatre with my notepad ready to write the outline for my YouTube video titled "Top 6 Differences from the Trailer and the Film" so in the moment when they gave the Falcon an entrance I enjoyed it. I didn't wonder how rey got to the Falcon or anything
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Kurzon posted:^^ This reminds me of how, in the Special Edition of ESB, Lucas added a sequence of Vader taking his shuttle from Cloud City to his flagship to join the pursuit of the Falcon. Of the various alterations made in the special editions, I think that one is the strangest, because I'm not exactly sure what it adds. You know, I think viewers are generally intelligent enough that they can manage Vader telling his men to get his shuttle and then next time you see him he's on the bridge of his star destroyer without his dialogue changing to, "Alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival," and the addition of a scene where his shuttle arrives on his ship. I don't think you need to spell everything out for the audience like that. I've never listened to the commentary, though, so maybe the reasoning is on that. The original scene where Vader snaps, "Bring my shuttle," is close to the angriest I think James Earl Jones ever made him sound, and it's a pity to lose out on that.
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Dec 25, 2017 12:43
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Kurzon posted:This is a strange storytelling philosophy you have where every event must advance the main plot somehow. There's a hell of a lot of empty space between such a philosophy and The Last Jedi.
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm super excited for the next 3 Star Wars films, where they defeat the evil empire, then have a timeskip of twenty years that reveals that the good guys accomplished fuckall, the Empire is back, the republic failed again and Rey is hiding on an isolated planet at the back end of the universe , Finn is back to being a Janitor on a Star murderer and Poe is an alcoholic, and a new band of plucky rebels need their help to fight back. It will be so original and fresh! McCloud fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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Dec 25, 2017 13:32
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McCloud posted:I don't know about you guys, but I'm super excited for the next 3 Star Wars films, where they defeat the evil empire, then have a timeskip of twenty years that reveals that the good guys accomplished fuckall, the Empire is back, the republic failed again and Rey is hiding on an isolated planet at the back end of the universe , Finn is back to being a Janitor on a Star murderer and Poe is an alcoholic, and a new band of plucky rebels need their help to fight back. Imagine spending Christmas Day making up potential future Star Wars movies to pre-hate.
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I think SA is the only place I've really seen TLJ criticised for not being different enough (which is fair enough - it's not an unreasonable criticism to make) rather than for being too different. I must assume that people who praise TLJ for being different and people who criticise it for being too different are both wrong. (I honestly have a hard time caring either way.) Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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Dec 25, 2017 13:42
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TildeATH posted:If they’re going to kill off all the old rickety characters why can’t they kill R2, Chewbacca and the Millennium Falcon? Kill the past only applies to humans? Costumes and props don't age, get fat, have scheduling conflicts, ask for more money, or die.
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McCloud posted:I don't know about you guys, but I'm super excited for the next 3 Star Wars films, where they defeat the evil empire, then have a timeskip of twenty years that reveals that the good guys accomplished fuckall, the Empire is back, the republic failed again and Rey is hiding on an isolated planet at the back end of the universe , Finn is back to being a Janitor on a Star murderer and Poe is an alcoholic, and a new band of plucky rebels need their help to fight back. Wheat Loaf posted:I think SA is the only place I've really seen TLJ criticised for not being different enough (which is fair enough - it's not an unreasonable criticism to make) rather than for being too different. I must assume that people who praise TLJ for being different and people who criticise it for being too different are both wrong.
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Rey escaped the Snoke ship by following a bunch of crystal foxes to where Chewie was parked. (Unlike Finn & Rose, Chewie parked legally and so didn't alert security) They didn't show this because it would ruin the surprise when Poe does it later.
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Tenebrais posted:Well, they did lay out that that was the plan before she boarded. Yeah, it's frustrating to see viewers continue to complain about things directly explained in the movie. Rey tells Chewie they'll meet back up and Hux tells Ren she took Snoke's shuttle... It's right there... all laid out...
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homullus posted:Costumes and props don't age, get fat, have scheduling conflicts, ask for more money, or die. 
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Bruceski posted:This movie is completely different from proper Star Wars. In this movie the Republic is struggling for even a no-win tie, the force-user goes and trains under a reluctant recluse then rushes off early to fight the big bad in a battle she can't win, the others go off to get help in a flashy city from someone who winds up betraying them, and the whole end note is "well this sucks, what do we do now?" Meanwhile in a classic like Empire Strikes Back they... wait... Why do people think the straw man is clever?
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I've come to the conclusion that people who insist this film are brilliant are either contrarian babies who think it's cool and edgy to say "actually it's good"  , not invested fans of the series, or literally brain damaged. It's an objectively bad film. It has nothing to do with what I think it does to the future or past of Star Wars - it's just really, really badly written in a way you just can't ignore.
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Teek posted:Yeah, it's frustrating to see viewers continue to complain about things directly explained in the movie. Rey tells Chewie they'll meet back up and Hux tells Ren she took Snoke's shuttle... It's right there... all laid out... I knew I should have left out that minor quibble about how Rey got somewhere because that's all goons would respond to. It's much easier to throw out some response about goons wanting everything spelled out than defend the indefensible mess that is the plot structure of The Last Jedi. Oh well. Wheat Loaf posted:I think SA is the only place I've really seen TLJ criticised for not being different enough (which is fair enough - it's not an unreasonable criticism to make) rather than for being too different. I must assume that people who praise TLJ for being different and people who criticise it for being too different are both wrong. Lol Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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TildeATH posted:If they’re going to kill off all the old rickety characters why can’t they kill R2, Chewbacca and the Millennium Falcon? Kill the past only applies to humans? I expect Chewie and the Falcon to get theirs eventually in the modern trilogy. At least Chewie, since it feels like he'd pull off the "Vader throwing Palpatine down the reactor chute" with Kylo, while getting force lightninged to death, for Han's memory and to save Rey.
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Chucat posted:So this has been bugging me for a while and it probably got brought up earlier. Yeah, it's entirely possible that Poe unwittingly saved the fleet, although he go demoted before the FO showed that it could arbitrarily track the Resistance's hyperjumps so nobody knew. It's possible that the dreadnaught would've ben able to just blow the Resistance ships away at the range it appeared at, although for all we knew it instead wouldn't have had fast enough sublight engines to keep up at all or needed to stay still to charge its siege weapons or something. Of course, Poe got demoted for insubordination, not for incurring military losses, so technically it wouldn't have made a difference how lucky he got after the fact. At his military tribunal, he could be like, okay, I killed like 350 of us through my second act of insuborination, but the entire 400 might have been dead if not for my first, so-
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R2D2 will hopefully survive as will Chewie. R2D2 is basically a God in the universe since throughout the entire series he's the one who opens the paths for all our heroes to actually be able to do anything at all including in TLJ convincing Luke to show up in the end. Pretty sure he's a Droid who is Force Capable or the Force said "You are my avatar in the universe."
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Chucat posted:So this has been bugging me for a while and it probably got brought up earlier. It's brutally obvious the Resistance has very minimal forces. They can only do a battle by attrition and survive for now. So hot dogging Poe is a loving moron who got his entire team killed so he could jerk off gloriously having killed a Dreadnought and showed 0 remorse or understanding at what they lost. The man was a loving idiot who would have killed the entire Resistance if he was making decisions and it was right to demote him. The movie shows what real Rogues are too since Han is glorified. Poe's a glory hound dumbass and Benecio's character does exactly what he needs to in order to survive. He helps but he turns a deal that allows him to live.
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Comstar posted:Goods News Everyone - Disney is expecting the Solo movie to bomb!. the comments in this article all apart from one guy agree the main actor was hired as part of a jewish conspiracy lol e: FWIW I was bored by this movie and am not a star wars fan but enjoy the reaction its getting from mortally offended SW fans mistaking a disney sequel for a heretical addition to a holy text. It was okay and had precisely 2 good scenes and 3 good bits of imagery (one being luke gargling monster milk). Its not a hard movie to understand though and some people (not really aiming at anyone in particular) seem to be pretending it is, the ultimate moral is "say goodbye to this old nostalgic poo poo, get ready for disney's new star wars trilogy". Kylo is a teen neo-nazi that got redpilled into self-owning himself constantly and when he feels owned he lashes out at people he can hurt, he wants to burn down the past because his past decisions made him a huge loser. Rey is searching for her place in the galaxy and trying to figure out what the purpose of her power is, she tries to help Kylo because he is doing the same and she needs company in the struggle. Leia uses the force to return from death to lead the rebellion while trying to pass the torch to the new generation. Luke tried to be Yoda and ended up letting/causing his sister and best friend's son become a nazi, blaming the jedi is a way for him to avoid taking responsibility and pretend hiding on an island is doing something about it, he eventually decides to help because he can't let Rey fight his battle alone. Finn... doesn't do much. He is ready to die to save his friends though. Rose has faith and teaches Finn the Maoist principle: Give up the land, not the people. Kurzon posted:I hope the next trilogy is something like Knights of the Old Republic, set in the early days of the Jedi Order. If nothing else, the technology of the era would be too primitive for these ridiculous mega-constructions. No more Starkiller Bases or mega star destroyers. Its not going to be this, i'd bet anything its going to be pretty much Clone Wars except in the new timeline. A new cast of disney heroes, with Rey as Obiwan with a new, expanded jedi order fighting the empire, with or without Kylo leading an expanded Sith. BTW I don't know much about the Old Republic but I hear a lot of people wanting movies set there. My impression is its the same but with different costumes and there are thousands of jedi and sith waving lightsabers instead of a handful. Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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Chickenwalker posted:I've come to the conclusion that people who insist this film are brilliant are either contrarian babies who think it's cool and edgy to say "actually it's good" Actually you can ignore it, and many people did. Here’s my checklist for enjoying a movie like Star Wars. 1. Was it fun and entertaining? Hey that’s it! E: Also can’t stop laughing at the phrase ‘invested fans of the series’. trash person fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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