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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Valeyard posted:

this reminds me that pandas is still on version like 0.2 and still heavily in production use lol

on atomic level, core pandas functionality - the data storage - is based primary on numpy arrays, which are like 25 years old and were originally written by dude who later made both jython and ironpython (same single guy). now pandas api though, well, uhh, yeah, it is what it is and i dont envy you too much

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

i mean its a bit fallacious to call whatever major version of numpy arrays we are on rn (3 or 4, maybe even more) to be the same old good thing, but you get the point. numpy is a know good quality, has C api, etc

# ? Dec 24, 2017 21:11

Glorgnole: Oct 23, 2012

numpy's good as hell

in contrast eigen's docs actually have to say "no you cannot easily slice arrays here, sorry"

# ? Dec 25, 2017 05:31

DELETE CASCADE: Oct 25, 2017; i haven't washed my penis since i jerked it to a phtotograph of george w. bush in 2003

stop doing heavy numerical computational work in python. just stop. it's wrong, you're wrong, everything you're doing is wrong WRONG WRONG

# ? Dec 25, 2017 05:47

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

i know people that use pandas just because it has a to_json() function lol

# ? Dec 25, 2017 05:49

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

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stop doing heavy numerical computational work in python. just stop. it's wrong, you're wrong, everything you're doing is wrong WRONG WRONG

lol this guy

# ? Dec 25, 2017 05:54

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

Glorgnole posted:

numpy's good as hell

in contrast eigen's docs actually have to say "no you cannot easily slice arrays here, sorry"

true as hell, good as hell
the non-tensorial matrix poo poo can go kill itself tho
.dot all the way

# ? Dec 25, 2017 05:55

DELETE CASCADE: Oct 25, 2017; i haven't washed my penis since i jerked it to a phtotograph of george w. bush in 2003

blah blah blah "it's a C library so really the actual work isn't done in python!!!" i don't loving care, if you are writing a complicated enough program that you need these libraries, then you should get as far away from python and other garbage p-langs as you can, as fast as you can. it's only going to get worse, not better

# ? Dec 25, 2017 05:56

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

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blah blah blah "it's a C library so really the actual work isn't done in python!!!" i don't loving care, if you are writing a complicated enough program that you need these libraries, then you should get as far away from python and other garbage p-langs as you can, as fast as you can. it's only going to get worse, not better

Acting like the numerical stuff in non p langs is worth a poo poo in any lang except Fortran

Lol working in Fortran

# ? Dec 25, 2017 06:05

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

so I got gambit installed since it was like the only lisp/scheme/whatever i could find that actually works on WSL (SBCL crashes due to something in /proc missing, the rest just crash on startup) and i've got most of a wavefront obj -> binary data script together

i bet there's a more idiomatic way to do this lol

code:

(define convert-mesh-to-32bit-fixed
  (lambda (mesh)
    (map
     (lambda (triangle)
       (map
	(lambda (vertex)
	  (map
	   (lambda (coordinate)
	     (convert-to-32bit-fixed coordinate))
	   vertex))
	triangle))
     mesh)))

works though

# ? Dec 25, 2017 06:24

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

I actually want to do some numeric stuff soon, and am seriously considering Fortran. Technically it was the first programming language I used, but uhh I was like 10 and mostly my dad was telling me what to type. What could possibly go wrong?

# ? Dec 25, 2017 06:45

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

If not J which I know passably well enough.... :frogsiren:

# ? Dec 25, 2017 06:47

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

Mao Zedong Thot posted:

I actually want to do some numeric stuff soon, and am seriously considering Fortran. Technically it was the first programming language I used, but uhh I was like 10 and mostly my dad was telling me what to type. What could possibly go wrong?

Lol working in Fortran

(What specific numeric poo poo are ya doing)

# ? Dec 25, 2017 06:50

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

Luigi Thirty posted:

so I got gambit installed since it was like the only lisp/scheme/whatever i could find that actually works on WSL (SBCL crashes due to something in /proc missing, the rest just crash on startup) and i've got most of a wavefront obj -> binary data script together

i bet there's a more idiomatic way to do this lol
code:
(define convert-mesh-to-32bit-fixed
  (lambda (mesh)
    (map
     (lambda (triangle)
       (map
	(lambda (vertex)
	  (map
	   (lambda (coordinate)
	     (convert-to-32bit-fixed coordinate))
	   vertex))
	triangle))
     mesh)))
works though

i dont know much about what you are doing, but i know that it is bad!!!

# ? Dec 25, 2017 06:53

Glorgnole: Oct 23, 2012

DELETE CASCADE posted:

stop doing heavy numerical computational work in python. just stop. it's wrong, you're wrong, everything you're doing is wrong WRONG WRONG

i will not desist, in fact i will continue to do it

# ? Dec 25, 2017 06:56

Deep Dish Fuckfest: Sep 6, 2006; Advanced
Computer Touching; Toilet Rascal

Mao Zedong Thot posted:

I actually want to do some numeric stuff soon, and am seriously considering Fortran. Technically it was the first programming language I used, but uhh I was like 10 and mostly my dad was telling me what to type. What could possibly go wrong?

it kinda depends what you mean by numeric stuff. if you're dealing with something where the hardware costs become a serious issue, then sure maybe doing some fortran and c sprinkled with some delicious assembler might make sense and save you some time, and thus cash, in the end. but even then most numerical stuff reduces to well known algorithms, and optimized versions already exist for most of those. you'll probably also want to make sure whatever you use has gpu support, because it's a no-brainer for a lot of numerical code these days

# ? Dec 25, 2017 06:59

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Just hobby loving around with finance. Zero need for fast processing or efficiency. Just looking for a 'fun' change of pace, otherwise I'd do it in go :riker:

Anybody using modern Fortran? Is it a horrorshow?

# ? Dec 25, 2017 07:36

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

DELETE CASCADE posted:

stop doing heavy numerical computational work in python. just stop. it's wrong, you're wrong, everything you're doing is wrong WRONG WRONG

DELETE CASCADE posted:

blah blah blah "it's a C library so really the actual work isn't done in python!!!" i don't loving care, if you are writing a complicated enough program that you need these libraries, then you should get as far away from python and other garbage p-langs as you can, as fast as you can. it's only going to get worse, not better

u mad dog

Valeyard posted:

i know people that use pandas just because it has a to_json() function lol

i use it in our homegrown "database flusher" because it was fastest to shitcode a table update mindful of autoincrementing p-keys

# ? Dec 25, 2017 08:35

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Mao Zedong Thot posted:

Just hobby loving around with finance. Zero need for fast processing or efficiency. Just looking for a 'fun' change of pace, otherwise I'd do it in go

Anybody using modern Fortran? Is it a horrorshow?

i wouldnt be surprised if less people did modern fortran than modern cobol. there's very little reason to use it.

# ? Dec 25, 2017 08:36

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

fortran is basically used in either legacy code or on supercomputers doing physics simulations

# ? Dec 25, 2017 08:54

brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

Luigi Thirty posted:

so I got gambit installed since it was like the only lisp/scheme/whatever i could find that actually works on WSL (SBCL crashes due to something in /proc missing, the rest just crash on startup) and i've got most of a wavefront obj -> binary data script together

i bet there's a more idiomatic way to do this lol
code:
(define convert-mesh-to-32bit-fixed
  (lambda (mesh)
    (map
     (lambda (triangle)
       (map
	(lambda (vertex)
	  (map
	   (lambda (coordinate)
	     (convert-to-32bit-fixed coordinate))
	   vertex))
	triangle))
     mesh)))
works though

lisp is so loving unreadable

# ? Dec 25, 2017 08:55

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Luigi Thirty posted:

so I got gambit installed since it was like the only lisp/scheme/whatever i could find that actually works on WSL (SBCL crashes due to something in /proc missing, the rest just crash on startup) and i've got most of a wavefront obj -> binary data script together

i bet there's a more idiomatic way to do this lol
code:
(define convert-mesh-to-32bit-fixed
  (lambda (mesh)
    (map
     (lambda (triangle)
       (map
	(lambda (vertex)
	  (map
	   (lambda (coordinate)
	     (convert-to-32bit-fixed coordinate))
	   vertex))
	triangle))
     mesh)))
works though

you don�t need the outermost lambda, you can define a function directly�there, one level of indentation saved, ship it

honestly though it looks pretty idiomatic to me, in that it represents a bunch of stream processing; maybe pull the (lambda (arg) up to the same line as the (map to maybe match more common coding style

the Lisp (though not necessarily Scheme) way might be to define a few macros that take a stream and a body to apply to it, which applies it repeatedly to make a new stream; it reduces to the same thing but makes the code look more like this:

code:

(defun convert-mesh-to-32bit-fixed (mesh)
  (with-triangles mesh (triangle)
    (with-vertices triangle (vertex)
      (with-coordinates vertex (coordinate)
        (convert-to-32bit-fixed coordinate)))))

then you can use those same macros to do other things to triangles, vertices, etc.

the advantage of the Scheme you wrote over this is that there�s no implicit accumulators so you could make it work on a lazy (pull) stream as easily as a complete list

# ? Dec 25, 2017 09:10

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

brap posted:

lisp is so loving unreadable

nah, though formatting can make a difference

code:

(define (convert-mesh-to-32bit-fixed mesh)
  (map (lambda (triangle)
         (map (lambda (vertex)
                (map (lambda (coordinate)
                       (convert-to-32bit-fixed coordinate))
                     vertex))
              triangle))
       mesh))

identical to what she posted except it explicitly makes convert-mesh-to-32bit-fixed a function and indents the lambda and the stream to which it�s applied at the same level

# ? Dec 25, 2017 09:17

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

a real Lisper would do it all via the loop macro which is its own entire semi-infix procedural sublanguage full of mystery and wonder, that gets its own entire chapter in CLtL

# ? Dec 25, 2017 09:25

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

the loop macro is an abomination upon the lord

prefer chaining higher order functions together. lisp's syntax makes this harder to read than it should be though because you have to read inside out

# ? Dec 25, 2017 09:28

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

well here's what I came up anyway with as an occasional lisper and a first-time schemer. it does the needful, converting the mesh from an .obj file from my modeler into an include file for my 68k assembler. it has some warts but it works!

https://pastebin.com/MQSr8DRk

# ? Dec 25, 2017 09:45

brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

I wrote a decent amount of racket code when I was first learning programming and wouldn�t discourage others from doing the same. sooner or later, though, you realize that a language where the first thing that happens in the program is always at the center of an onion of parentheses is just painful.

# ? Dec 25, 2017 10:19

Doom Mathematic: Sep 2, 2008

Mao Zedong Thot posted:

I was like 10 and mostly my dad was telling me what to type.

Pair programming :3:

# ? Dec 25, 2017 11:54

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

Mao Zedong Thot posted:

Just hobby loving around with finance. Zero need for fast processing or efficiency. Just looking for a 'fun' change of pace, otherwise I'd do it in go

Anybody using modern Fortran? Is it a horrorshow?

On the subject of lisps, try julia

# ? Dec 25, 2017 12:52

AWWNAW: Dec 30, 2008

does that lisp not have a threading macro like Clojure and if not, why?

# ? Dec 25, 2017 15:25

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

julia (https://julialang.org/) is a lisp?

# ? Dec 25, 2017 17:18

prisoner of waffles: May 8, 2007; Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

AWWNAW posted:

does that lisp not have a threading macro like Clojure and if not, why?

You're talking about Clojure's -> and ->>? should be pretty easy* to write, if the answer is no.

*not much harder than writing any appropriately hygienic macro for the lisp in question

# ? Dec 25, 2017 18:24

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

DELETE CASCADE posted:

blah blah blah "it's a C library so really the actual work isn't done in python!!!" i don't loving care, if you are writing a complicated enough program that you need these libraries, then you should get as far away from python and other garbage p-langs as you can, as fast as you can. it's only going to get worse, not better

eat poo poo and die, fucker

numerical code is non-programmer code and dear god i would rather deal with non-programmer python than non-programmer literally any other language

if you really gotta make it sanic then that's what cython is for

# ? Dec 25, 2017 18:34

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

i write c and will go blue in the face defending it but ugh writing huge data shoveling in it, just use pythong

especially for quick prototypes? experiments? nothing like ipython notebooks

# ? Dec 25, 2017 19:26

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

julia (https://julialang.org/) is a lisp?

It supports macros and you are expected to use the macros lol

# ? Dec 25, 2017 19:27

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

bob dobbs is dead posted:

On the subject of lisps, try julia

gross, it has syntax

# ? Dec 25, 2017 22:52

Ellie Crabcakes: Feb 1, 2008; Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

DELETE CASCADE posted:

blah blah blah "it's a C library so really the actual work isn't done in python!!!" i don't loving care, if you are writing a complicated enough program that you need these libraries, then you should get as far away from python and other garbage p-langs as you can, as fast as you can. it's only going to get worse, not better

# ? Dec 26, 2017 00:35

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Peeny Cheez posted:

lol

# ? Dec 26, 2017 05:54

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

Mao Zedong Thot posted:

I actually want to do some numeric stuff soon, and am seriously considering Fortran. Technically it was the first programming language I used, but uhh I was like 10 and mostly my dad was telling me what to type. What could possibly go wrong?

I started my career as a professional terrible programmer with fortran and to be honest it's... fine. I mean Fortran 90, not Fortran 77. dealing with f77 legacy code was a nightmare lol.

it's a way more straightforward language than C, if you have a hardon for it I say go for it. just make sure you understand floating point numbers well and the way fortran does arrays.

it's been a while since I touched fortran seriously though, because every numeric problem that I stumble upon I just prototype a half-assed solution in python/numpy and it's always been good enough.

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