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What the hell why are BOTB hovering around an exalt right now? Even the low ilvl ones are high priced too. I'm glad I have one but now I'm not sure if I want to sell it or try to use it like I originally planned
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Dec 25, 2017 01:54
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zxqv8 posted:What the hell why are BOTB hovering around an exalt right now? It's the default endgame chest for life builds, and everyone's playing life builds.
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Dec 25, 2017 02:04
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:1-68 in one morning what the christ how is that even possible? Nah it's really easy when you've got the luxury of leveling items and you plot out exactly what you're doing. I had all my gems prebought and in my inventory when I leveled up, only stopping periodically for breaks. Now the guys that are faster than that on fresh characters, that's something I'll never get close to.
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Dec 25, 2017 03:15
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:1-68 in one morning what the christ how is that even possible? You don't stop for trivial things like killing mobs, or trading, or picking up items.
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Dec 25, 2017 05:09
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Yeah if you have goldrim, a tabula, and wanderlust, you can blaze through the main story very quick assuming you don't stop for anything that isn't required to progress.
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Dec 25, 2017 05:32
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Fastest I've done so far was double pen + vd. You just right click towards the end of the map, everything dies along the way, and your skill still works if you're out-of-mana.
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Dec 25, 2017 05:33
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Goldrim, Tabula, Wanderlust, Lochtonial Caress, Karui Ward, double Elreon rings, a stash tab with weapons to swap into, a Darkness Enthroned with two jewels that have no level requirement, all the gems you need, etc.
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Dec 25, 2017 05:36
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Ok question about Elemental Penetration. Is it worth stacking it really high (like over 100)? Or does it only ever give diminishing returns? I thought that if you get it high enough you start getting back into exponential returns. But maybe that's an insane thing to think?
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Dec 25, 2017 05:38
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Jinnigan posted:Ok question about Elemental Penetration. Is it worth stacking it really high (like over 100)? Or does it only ever give diminishing returns? I thought that if you get it high enough you start getting back into exponential returns. But maybe that's an insane thing to think? A certain percentage amount of pen will always add the same amount of damage, no matter what. If you have a 100-damage attack, then 1% of pen will always add 1 damage.
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Dec 25, 2017 05:43
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You can reduce monster's resistances past 0, in which case it works as a damage multiplier ('more'). If the mob starts at 0% resistance, having 25% resistance penetration is a 25% multiplier on all your damage. This is Good. And that's actually the worst case for resistance penetration. If the mob starts at, say, 75% resistance dropping that down to 50% is doubling your damage. Elemental penetration really owns.
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Dec 25, 2017 05:43
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zxqv8 posted:What the hell why are BOTB hovering around an exalt right now? they have been hovering around 80-90 chaos ever since the es nerfs
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Dec 25, 2017 05:51
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RPZip posted:You can reduce monster's resistances past 0, in which case it works as a damage multiplier ('more'). If the mob starts at 0% resistance, having 25% resistance penetration is a 25% multiplier on all your damage. This is Good. And that's actually the worst case for resistance penetration. If the mob starts at, say, 75% resistance dropping that down to 50% is doubling your damage. Kinda makes me want to start a non-Inquisitor caster a little, I can't imagine non-Shapers having enough resistance that Inquisitor zeroing is always better than stacking penetration
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Dec 25, 2017 05:54
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Jinnigan posted:Ok question about Elemental Penetration. Is it worth stacking it really high (like over 100)? Or does it only ever give diminishing returns? I thought that if you get it high enough you start getting back into exponential returns. But maybe that's an insane thing to think?  post from Discord here:Penetration is basically a More modifier (initially), since elemental damage taken equals base damage times one minus resistance. 100 dmg vs. 75% resist = 25 dmg. 100 dmg vs. 25% resist = 75 dmg. 100 dmg vs. -25% resist = 125 dmg. 100 dmg vs. -75% resist = 175 dmg. The min(Rt, Mt) equation from the wiki just says that something's actual resistance is their resistance minus penetration, unless their resistance is higher than their max resistance, in which case actual resistance is max - penetration. What the chart from the wiki is trying to say is that the first point of penetration you have has more effect on the end result than the last point you have. In my example, you can see that the first 50 penetration multiplied the damage by 3, from 25 to 75. The last 50 penetration multiplied the damage by 1.4. So eventually you get to the point where it might be better to add raw damage instead of penetration. If instead of going from 100 dmg 100 penetration to 100 dmg 150 penetration I went to 150 dmg 100 penetration the final damage would go from 175 to 187.5.
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Dec 25, 2017 05:56
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Ciaphas posted:Kinda makes me want to start a non-Inquisitor caster a little, I can't imagine non-Shapers having enough resistance that Inquisitor zeroing is always better than stacking penetration Random trash has 0 resists across the board, even in maps. Bosses have 30, I think.
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Dec 25, 2017 05:57
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According to Wiki, Kitava is 25%, Atziri is 30%, Shaper/Guardians 40% and Merc+Uber Izaro (unbuffed) 45%.
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Dec 25, 2017 06:00
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Except almost all the selfcaster builds on the forums are still berserkers because there are no spell leech nodes, which is like having to play Witch to play a 2h sunderer or something This is my pet peeve and I shall die on this hill until it is changed  
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Dec 25, 2017 06:03
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elemental penetration has hard diminishing returns - 25% pen on a monster with 75% resistance is much better than on a monster with 0% res. By the same token, 75% pen (from e.g. curse + gem) is really good when monsters have high resistances, but you'd be better off pouring that investment into a combination of other increases or multipliers instead if monsters are generally running around with 20-40% or so - other gems, even flat increases, would probably be more efficient there's no diablo2-like dynamic where really high penetration can pierce immunity and suddenly open up possibilities for a monoelemental build. in the ancient past I suppose the intention was for players to swap penetration for certain map mods Ciaphas posted:Except almost all the selfcaster builds on the forums are still berserkers because there are no spell leech nodes, which is like having to play Witch to play a 2h sunderer or something it's not just any leech node, it's 3% life and mana leech it also puts you near lots of life, rather than ES ronya fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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Dec 25, 2017 06:03
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vOv posted:Random trash has 0 resists across the board, even in maps. Bosses have 30, I think. Bosses have 30 ele 15 chaos, guardians and shaper have 40 ele 25 chaos.
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Dec 25, 2017 06:04
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ronya posted:elemental penetration has hard diminishing returns - 25% pen on a monster with 75% resistance is much better than on a monster with 0% res. By the same token, 75% pen (from e.g. curse + gem) is really good when monsters have high resistances, but you'd be better off pouring that investment into a combination of other increases or multipliers instead if monsters are generally running around with 20-40% or so - other gems, even flat increases, would probably be more efficient it's stupid and i hate it blaaaargh
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Dec 25, 2017 06:17
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Ciaphas posted:Except almost all the selfcaster builds on the forums are still berserkers because there are no spell leech nodes, which is like having to play Witch to play a 2h sunderer or something This is the reason why I have never played a caster (that and how much I hate ES.) You can play anything near the bottom of the tree and easily pick up the attack leech nodes by slayer and that basically fixes any kind of sustain issue you have. Its also near all the life nodes that lets you tank up now that ES is nerfed. But no for casters you need to stick a life leech gem in and if you roll a no regen map mod you better have a mana potion in your inventory too or you're in for trouble. You also don't have much armour or evasion nodes near you if you go through the witch section of the tree. At the start of every league I always wonder why I don't try a caster then I would start building it on the PoE skill tree and then realize why I don't play caster again. Melee forever.
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Dec 25, 2017 06:57
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i have faith that at some point GGG will discover a method of sustain that isn't leech maybe life/ES regeneration per ailment inflicted recently or something the broader game design problem is that hobbling sustain just isn't a very fun way for players to experience speedbumps on their skinner-box-lever-pulling adventure - it can be less effective but not a total brake ronya fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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Dec 25, 2017 07:12
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Played around in PoB some and the highest effective penetration (curses are technically lowering resistance, not adding to your penetration) I could get without pimped out skill gems was 418%. With maxed out skill gems and a +1 socketed skills corruption on the Shroud of the Lightless, that goes up to 427%. This is a level 79 elementalist with 33% increased life, not much else defense-wise from the skill tree, wielding Tempestous Steel and using Frost Blades, so good luck...
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Dec 25, 2017 07:19
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Bouquet posted:Played around in PoB some and the highest effective penetration (curses are technically lowering resistance, not adding to your penetration) I could get without pimped out skill gems was 418%. With maxed out skill gems and a +1 socketed skills corruption on the Shroud of the Lightless, that goes up to 427%. This is a level 79 elementalist with 33% increased life, not much else defense-wise from the skill tree, wielding Tempestous Steel and using Frost Blades, so good luck... Wait curses doesn't make resistances go negative? So me skipping out on a cold penetration gem and using frostbite is a bad idea? I'm going to need to rethink my gem/aura setup.
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Dec 25, 2017 07:32
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Velveteen posted:Wait curses doesn't make resistances go negative? So me skipping out on a cold penetration gem and using frostbite is a bad idea? I'm going to need to rethink my gem/aura setup. The only difference between penetration and lowered resistance is that penetration is effective even if your target is resist capped. Which doesn't matter for fighting mobs.
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Dec 25, 2017 07:34
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vOv posted:The only difference between penetration and lowered resistance is that penetration is effective even if your target is resist capped. Which doesn't matter for fighting mobs. it matters if you're in a map with cold res mods or whatever (or rares with auras/resist)
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Dec 25, 2017 09:10
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Kild posted:it matters if you're in a map with cold res mods or whatever (or rares with auras/resist) Can those get mobs anywhere near cap? I figured it'd be like 30-50% at most.
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Dec 25, 2017 09:11
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vOv posted:Can those get mobs anywhere near cap? I figured it'd be like 30-50% at most. AURA_Resists +35% to all Elemental Resistances (Hidden) of Elemental Resistance +40% to all Elemental Resistances (Hidden) Resistant +25% Monster Chaos Resistance +40% Monster Elemental Resistance
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Dec 25, 2017 09:16
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What are good links for LL Glacial Cascade mines if you don't have the helm enchant? I'm currently using GC - Phys to Lightning - Remote Mine - Minefield - Conc Effect - Increased Critical Strikes/AOE for bosses/trash. My pastebin is: https://pastebin.com/GNfWRqbd Most builds I see are running trap and mine support.
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Dec 25, 2017 09:31
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damnfan posted:What are good links for LL Glacial Cascade mines if you don't have the helm enchant? I'm currently using GC - Phys to Lightning - Remote Mine - Minefield - Conc Effect - Increased Critical Strikes/AOE for bosses/trash. Windz did swap trapmine to phys to lit on his guide. Still using it myself
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Dec 25, 2017 09:49
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When the price of exalts skyrocket, do big ticket items stay pinned to exalts, or chaos?
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Dec 25, 2017 15:07
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Holy poo poo, Scold's Bridle is 5ex this league!??
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Dec 25, 2017 15:14
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Question, my wild strike/ molten strike raider is up to t10/11 maps. Since I've played him I've earned roughly 300 chaos. Should I dump this into him or go with a new build that night take me further.
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Dec 25, 2017 17:25
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I found my first-ever Exalt while running through act 8 during the story. I'm guessing I should sell this for Chaos Orbs? I have very few (12 or so). I'm confused by the trade page -- people are listing them for really weird prices.
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Dec 25, 2017 17:35
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WhiteHowler posted:I found my first-ever Exalt while running through act 8 during the story. Yeah, sell it. You should be able to get 90c or so
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Dec 25, 2017 17:37
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I whispered like four people from that poe.trade website and nobody responded. Why doesn't this game have a proper auction house?
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Dec 25, 2017 20:30
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Not this  again
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Dec 25, 2017 20:39
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hawowanlawow posted:I whispered like four people from that poe.trade website and nobody responded. Why doesn't this game have a proper auction house? That's not a can of worms you want to be opening But the long and short of it is GGG already think trading is way too easy as it is, we're lucky it doesn't get worse
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Dec 25, 2017 20:41
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Here's something better to open: https://twitter.com/pathofexile/status/945386273719566336
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Dec 25, 2017 21:13
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so what did everyone get? fire horns for me. i have been rolling with a dark fire look so i am trying to work these in now. had been using the celestial hood plus bleeding eyes. thinking just horns plus the eyes are looking kind of good. hope someone got a nice lion
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Dec 25, 2017 22:06
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I got an Ice Helmet. Looks like rear end. 
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