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C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008


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WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
I don't think I've seen an edit of the Bucks yet that wasn't completely bonkers overpowered

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


Basic Chunnel posted:

I like how HD resolutions still break his user interface
also, multiple monitors

also, the least user-friendly way of handling updates
1. A messagebox appears, telling you there is an update to download. There is no download link in this messagebox because gently caress you.
2. You google or manually navigate to the grey dog forums thread that contains the update, and download it
3. This isn’t an installer, just the updated exe. You have to navigate to the folder and replace it yourself because, again, gently caress you

TTBF
Sep 14, 2005



e: whoops, nevermind.

TTBF fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Dec 25, 2017

Troxartas
Jan 13, 2007

The Old Warhorse
Just picked FirePro up, is there a post with the good workshop stuff? Or is the top rated on Steam a good place to start

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


https://twitter.com/reasonjp/status/945243818147831808

Armitage
Aug 16, 2005

"Mathman's not here." "Oh? Where is he?" "He's in the Mathroom."

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

I don't think I've seen an edit of the Bucks yet that wasn't completely bonkers overpowered

It seems like a lot of the edits based on classic video game characters are all well north of 200 points.

Karate Fighter from Mat Mania usually wins in maybe three minutes at the most against anyone.

unimportantguy
Dec 25, 2012

Hey, Johnny, what's a "shitpost"?
Many people, especially newer editors, tend to think of the upper edit point limit provided by the game as "This is where the strongest wrestlers should be," at which point it goes without saying that international superstar wrestlers are up there with 200-300 points. This flies directly in the face of people who use lower point totals. It really depends what your power scale is. I've heard suggestions for individual wrestlers ranging all over the map, with, for instance, Triple H edits ranging from 150 points right on upward to the point cap, depending on who made them. I get the impression that some edit makers enjoy watching/using their edits to win matches, rather than to play/see entertaining match-ups. Why you would view watching AI wrestlers as a competitive thing, I've no idea.

This is why I make all my own edits.
:goonsay:

unimportantguy fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Dec 25, 2017

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction
The custom guy I made after myself got eliminated out of two separate matches by Krang, and worse, by being knocked the gently caress out by Krang.


.....so I'm going into the workshop and adding a Brainbuster Signature.

EDIT

Although Krang, the actual brain, is in the robot's stomach, so what I should really add to myself is an abdominal check.

Veryslightlymad fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Dec 25, 2017

Armitage
Aug 16, 2005

"Mathman's not here." "Oh? Where is he?" "He's in the Mathroom."
I’d probably think for most edits based on wrestling video games, around 140-180 may be good with boss characters being around the higher end of that range.

I had to debuff a few I’ve subscribed to so far. The move sets are solid but they just don’t lose.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Veryslightlymad posted:

The custom guy I made after myself got eliminated out of two separate matches by Krang, and worse, by being knocked the gently caress out by Krang.


.....so I'm going into the workshop and adding a Brainbuster Signature.

EDIT

Although Krang, the actual brain, is in the robot's stomach, so what I should really add to myself is an abdominal check.

Double knee gutbuster.

Fat Lowtax
Nov 9, 2008


"I'm willing to pay up to $1200 for a big anime titty"


There's an option in the mod suite to sort your wrestlers by edit points, which is super useful if you have a lot of stuff and don't know what needs to be nerfed + buffed. Honestly for me having idk Bayley and Rusev be unstoppable monsters that don't wrestle anything like they do in real life because some random person made them that way is part of the dumb charm of the game

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Fat Lowtax posted:

Rusev be unstoppable monsters

Seems 100% accurate and true-to-life to me. Happy Rusev Day.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

Help me out here I'm confused.

There are match ratings.
But the match rating is just a number right? There are no simulation/management aspects (yet) that use the number.
I don't get it.

Unrelated.
Once upon a time in TEW2016 I decided to start a local fed from scratch. This was on the 96 mod and I wound up hiring all the OMEGA guys.
The save got erased when I switched HDDs. I decided to restart it.
I decided since I basically ran OMEGA last time, I should just do OMEGA for real this time.
I decide to start as booker because why not.
This lasted about 5 shows before I looked at the product definition and realized that there was absolutely no way this product could rise above cult because it can't get TV time at any decent hour. And of course since I'm booker I can't change it ever.
I really need to learn to never be the booker.

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

ChrisBTY posted:

Help me out here I'm confused.

There are match ratings.
But the match rating is just a number right? There are no simulation/management aspects (yet) that use the number.
I don't get it.


It's a full on feels thing. People liked it in the games it was in (Like King of Colosseum) so they put in the game, and people like it.

It will probably have some actual point when the Management mode comes out though.

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011


Lipstick Apathy

Troxartas posted:

Just picked FirePro up, is there a post with the good workshop stuff? Or is the top rated on Steam a good place to start

Its like porn. There is a lot of it and you just get a nose for finding the good stuff.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjtxr7pvEE4

Merry Christmas, PSP

Armitage
Aug 16, 2005

"Mathman's not here." "Oh? Where is he?" "He's in the Mathroom."
I dunno about DJKM’s edits. I downloaded a modern Triple H of his and man, he actually never wins a match despite having 194 points.

It just seems like none of his moves actually hurt the opponent and his logic seems kinda off the longer a match goes.

Armitage fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Dec 27, 2017

CarlCX
Dec 14, 2003

Armitage posted:

I dunno about DJKM’s edits. I downloaded a modern Triple H of his and man, he actually never wins a match despite having 194 points.

It just seems like none of his moves actually hurt the opponent and his logic seems kinda off the longer a match goes.

That's kind of the problem with DJKM77's stuff: He's a ludicrously prolific dudemaker, but because his goal is to singlehandedly make All Of The Dudes very few of his characters feel focused. He makes strong templates and then wraps tons of wrestlers around them rather than really embodying single people.

I'm personally a fan of TheAvenger3's HHH, but at 220 it can be a bit overpowered (which is dubiously accurate, I guess).

Silly Burrito
Nov 27, 2007

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Shot in the dark here, but does anyone know where I could find saves for the SNES Super Fire Pro Wrestling X Premium with 90s Attitude Era WWF/WCW wrestlers? Almost all the sites that I remember from 15-20 years ago are gone, and the Wayback Machine has only been able to turn up one pack. Thanks!

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


Armitage posted:

I dunno about DJKM’s edits. I downloaded a modern Triple H of his and man, he actually never wins a match despite having 194 points.

It just seems like none of his moves actually hurt the opponent and his logic seems kinda off the longer a match goes.
pretty accurate for Trips imo

Armitage
Aug 16, 2005

"Mathman's not here." "Oh? Where is he?" "He's in the Mathroom."

CarlCX posted:

That's kind of the problem with DJKM77's stuff: He's a ludicrously prolific dudemaker, but because his goal is to singlehandedly make All Of The Dudes very few of his characters feel focused. He makes strong templates and then wraps tons of wrestlers around them rather than really embodying single people.

I'm personally a fan of TheAvenger3's HHH, but at 220 it can be a bit overpowered (which is dubiously accurate, I guess).

Yeah, that’s the impression that I got after playing around some more with his creations. Some are still really good, and he created a good chunk of 70s and 80s jobbers which I appreciate!

There are still a few missing, maybe I should throw some missing old school jobbers on the work shop.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

St Evan Echoes posted:

There's like a half dozen annoying and inexplicable things about TEW. That's one. The one I hate the most, though, is that the dude still hasn't worked out how to write files to a user folder, so you have to run the fucker with admin privileges to write to program files

This is why I got TEW2013, because it’s on Steam, well and it’s $4.99 currently.

triplexpac
Mar 24, 2007

Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you

MazelTovCocktail posted:

This is why I got TEW2013, because it’s on Steam, well and it’s $4.99 currently.

I would probably buy TEW16 again to have it through Steam. Shame it’s not available.

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


does the steam version (of 10/13) work without running as admin?

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

St Evan Echoes posted:

does the steam version (of 10/13) work without running as admin?

Well it just loaded up without asking for admin rights or anything. I only got it last night. Is there a way to test it out?

triplexpac posted:

I would probably buy TEW16 again to have it through Steam. Shame it’s not available.

I would too. I have no interest in e-licensing, so that's why I only got 2013.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEwT_mNP1DY

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

~Everybody wants to be a cat~
~Because a cat's the only cat~
~Who knows where its at~

MazelTovCocktail posted:

This is why I got TEW2013, because it’s on Steam, well and it’s $4.99 currently.

Oh poo poo, 2013 made it to steam? Nice. Last I heard only 2010 was on there.

I guess their plan is to continue to release their current version directly and make the last one available on Steam. Kind of lovely. Their dumb licensing system is the biggest turnoff for me buying from them.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

Alright since we're talking about TEW and since I've fired it up again recently it's time for...

STUPID THINGS THE AI DOES.

So I'm on the May 96 mod. Just started 1998 with my ground-up local company. Am currently making money and waiting until I hit the next popularity tier so I can justify hiring an actual referee and having more than 7 wrestlers on my roster.

But onto events in the big 2.
WCW basically took a gigantic bite out of WWF's roster, stealing Bret Hart, Davey Boy Smith, Roddy Piper, Vader and The Ultimate Warrior, so almost their entire 96 main event scene. WWF has rebounded by putting the World title on Goldust, signing El Profe, and pushing Steve Austin and....Leif Cassidy. The duo have been world tag team champs for six months and have also wrestled each other for the IC title. So right now Austin is both IC and Tag Champ.

Leif Cassidy is also moonlighting in OMEGA and is currently their #1 guy.

So this is basically Al Snow, the game.

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction
Instead of starting a company without a ref, why not start a game with your user character as a ref before starting a company?

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

I always just go with someone that has enough psychology to pitch in as a road agent so that I don't have to pay anyone

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

Veryslightlymad posted:

Instead of starting a company without a ref, why not start a game with your user character as a ref before starting a company?

Because I have my user avatar on commentary. (Hint: It's Big Dave)
Yes I know wrestlers fill in at commentary better than at referee but I wanted to use Meltzer as my player avatar.

Testekill posted:

I always just go with someone that has enough psychology to pitch in as a road agent so that I don't have to pay anyone

That's what I did. Basically my choices boiled down to either Corino or Quackenbush. I chose Quack because money even though Corino is a little better.
This was my second attempt at this. My first attempt boiled down to me accruing too much debt early because of a product definition that didn't lend itself well to sponsors and too much payroll (notably paying my ref twice as much as any of my workers).

My roster as a local company (in 1996)
- Shane Helms
- Charlie Haas
- Rick Fuller
- Chris Justice (ie Abyss)
- Lenny Lane
- Mike Quackenbush
- Mr. Ooh La La (a cheap as dirt worker with > 0 ref skill)

Imagine a year and a half of monthly shows where you're just rearranging these guys.
I am so glad I've moved up to small.

Right now my goal is to be able to routinely do more than one show a month and still make money so I can reach regional before my entire roster retires.

ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Dec 31, 2017

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

NL is currently playing a Togi Makabe dating sim. Makabe has punched and slapped the protagonist three times already.

https://www.twitch.tv/newlegacyinc?ignore_query=true

Marquis de Pyro
Sep 25, 2006

Evil Prevails

ChrisBTY posted:

Because I have my user avatar on commentary. (Hint: It's Big Dave)
Yes I know wrestlers fill in at commentary better than at referee but I wanted to use Meltzer as my player avatar.


That's what I did. Basically my choices boiled down to either Corino or Quackenbush. I chose Quack because money even though Corino is a little better.
This was my second attempt at this. My first attempt boiled down to me accruing too much debt early because of a product definition that didn't lend itself well to sponsors and too much payroll (notably paying my ref twice as much as any of my workers).

My roster as a local company (in 1996)
- Shane Helms
- Charlie Haas
- Rick Fuller
- Chris Justice (ie Abyss)
- Lenny Lane
- Mike Quackenbush
- Mr. Ooh La La (a cheap as dirt worker with > 0 ref skill)

Imagine a year and a half of monthly shows where you're just rearranging these guys.
I am so glad I've moved up to small.

Right now my goal is to be able to routinely do more than one show a month and still make money so I can reach regional before my entire roster retires.

Honestly I like these games more, I always end up getting huge and having a gigantic roster full of people I like too much to fire but can't possibly book fairly. So basically I become WWE with really good workers as jobbers because I can't think of anything to do with them



This is my current game arghh

Marquis de Pyro fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Jan 1, 2018

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
https://www.twitch.tv/fcwwrestling

I'm streaming a 32-man singles tournament in FPWW right now for New Year's. Carlzilla mods enabled. Come watch wrasslers beat each other up.

e: nevermind, my internet crapped itself. :smith:

e2: double nevermind, tourney's back on!

WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Jan 1, 2018

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

Marquis de Pyro posted:

Honestly I like these games more, I always end up getting huge and having a gigantic roster full of people I like too much to fire but can't possibly book fairly. So basically I become WWE with really good workers as jobbers because I can't think of anything to do with them



This is my current game arghh

The thing about running local is that on one hand it's dull and droning because you only have a very small roster to work with so things can repetitive in a hurry.
The good side is that it's really chill because you can only fail financially, not creatively. so if you can get out of debt before your company goes bankrupt the wind is at your back.

Armitage
Aug 16, 2005

"Mathman's not here." "Oh? Where is he?" "He's in the Mathroom."
I created Riki Ataki and Jerry Allen before I was even aware of DJKM77's jobber template. It makes things quite a bit easier, and I've created some new jobbers that appeared in WWF/WCW, that aren't created by anyone else!

I've also posted:

Don Driggers
Red Tyler
Omar Atlas
Al Navarro
Dave Stoudemire
Chris Curtis
Arthur Washington
Mike Thor
John Valkower
Ross Greenberg
Paul Van Dale (Carmella's dad!)

So if you're interested in classic jobbers to round out your roster, that's who I've posted so far. I'll be creating some more classic TV jobbers from time to time.

Like Death Row 3260, who I was working on as I was making this post. He's posted now.

Armitage fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Jan 2, 2018

Slothass
Mar 6, 2004
Is it worth getting 2k18 for $35 on steam if I’m just interested in making people and simming matches. I already have fire pro and love that stuff.

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

Slothass posted:

Is it worth getting 2k18 for $35 on steam if I’m just interested in making people and simming matches. I already have fire pro and love that stuff.

There is no AI adjustments. So you can make real good looking facsimiles of wrestlers, with all the right moves, but they wont use them at the right times. Also, the pc really doesn't know how to play gimmick matches in an interesting way, you can put them in a hell in a cell, or a TLC match, but you cant make them do cool spots.

If you really want the game, as a Steam WWE 2k18 owner myself, I have to say, get it on the PS4. There are more and better CAW's and creators on that platform, and the PC version just doesn't have enough going for it to make up for that lack. If you feel like modding stuff, there is that, but if you just want to sim, no.

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overthefalls
Apr 17, 2005

"They called you exotic, which is just people talk for awesome!"
May be of interest to some... (if SA will let me embed a tweet...)

https://twitter.com/sc_prowrestling/status/948407276745900032

New Japan in Firepro.

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