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| Verity Lambert |
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30 | 15.31% |
| Barry Letts |
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7 | 3.57% |
| Phillip Hinchcliffe |
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32 | 16.33% |
| John Nathan-Turner |
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6 | 3.06% |
| Russell T Davies |
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33 | 16.84% |
| Steven Moffat |
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50 | 25.51% |
| Chris Chibnall (I am from the future) |
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38 | 19.39% |
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Hemingway To Go! posted:If there's a limited number of times you can regenarate then why shouldn't growing another body count. Moffat intentionally muddled it by saying "10 regenerated and kept the same face" instead of "10 regenerated into a clone of himself" which I suppose makes sense because it was just meant to be a quick summary and not a deep lore chat, but I love blowing quickly past a mention of an insane sounding event so I'd have preferred the latter. One of my favourite lines in the show is "seal of the high council of Gallifrey, nicked it off the Master in the Death Zone"
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trouser_mouse posted:I thought that was pretty good, some of the sexism stuff was a bit over the top. Loved that Breaking the Wall got a look in - in fact, the whole episode seemed to wrap up all of Murray Gold's music cues nicely, so assume he's off... Will miss Peter Capaldi so much. Wonder if Jodie will be a female David Tennant. The closest I got to breaking emotionally, honestly, was right as Bill kisses his forehead and Clara's theme kicks in. I initially hated how different that piece was from most of the score when it debuted, but now it may be my favourite leitmotif Gold's written. Just the elegant picking out of those first 7 or 8 notes, the first bar orients you instantly, and that's the effect Clara's supposed to have on the Doctor.
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Dec 26, 2017 01:41
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gently caress stephen moffat
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Dec 26, 2017 01:44
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Stabbatical posted:"One more life won't hurt" was pretty good one. The bit about his name and only children understanding it I didn't quite get though. Felt a bit rambling. Yeah, found myself checking the time during his final monologue; short and sweet works better. Dabir posted:gently caress stephen moffat I certainly won't miss Moffat's propensity to catharses of spurious morality with twenty minute monologues. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Dec 26, 2017 |
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Dec 26, 2017 01:54
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It had bits I liked and bits I wasn't as keen on. On balance, I enjoyed it while I was watching it, but it didn't leave a huge impression on me beyond the regeneration itself. I'm looking forward to seeing what Chibnall does. Hopefully it will be different if nothing else.
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Dec 26, 2017 01:58
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I will never not appreciate a "the windows are the wrong size" line, and they did that twice, so that's already two points in the episode's favour. Otherwise, I thought some of the choices made with Bradley's Doctor were a bit off. We knew a lot of the "the First Doctor is a sexist" lines in the spoiler thread, and while I fully expected them to not stick out as badly in context (and not all of them were quite as bad as advertised), a good few of them were still pretty egregious. They weren't even used to address regressive 1960s attitudes or whatever in any meaningful way, they just wrung out a few laughs out of Capaldi's reactions to them. Although, since these weird new faults in One's character were mostly just conjured up for jokes, I guess it's good that the emphasis was on Twelve's embarrassment rather than the faults themselves. And honestly, that embarrassment is a great way to approach the First Doctor - to Twelve, One is him in his teens, moody and immature and probably still into really lame bands and crushing on the Rani, as well as that cantankerous relative you have to sit next to at a wedding with plenty of opinions and no qualms about letting them be heard. That's a brilliant combination of immediately relatable human experiences ripe for comedy and loads of other interesting things, but here it was reduced to Capaldi playing Meathead to Bradley's Archie Bunker. I didn't hate the episode itself, though - there were lots of nice scenes and little moments, and while I don't think they always quite hung together, the strength of the performances carried the whole thing more than well. Capaldi and Pearl Mackie were great, as always, and Bradley was too, even though I wish he had taken a bit freer an approach to the First Doctor, since he sometimes felt a bit constrained by having to imitate Hartnell's mannerisms at every turn. I did like that his frazzled look on Rusty's planet looked very much like Hartnell's in The Daleks, though. But oh man the regeneration was brilliant and Capaldi was so brilliant and I'm gonna miss him but here's Jodie and she's already brilliant 
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Dec 26, 2017 02:00
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Dabir posted:gently caress stephen moffat Marry Russell T Davies, kill Chris Chibnall. Easy
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Dec 26, 2017 02:07
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Yeah, it'd be one thing if they used the sexism to tie-in with him becoming a woman, but they don't. It doesn't really serve any other purpose than to go "check out how much more progressive the character of the Doctor has come", even though that doesn't make sense for the character and confusing the time period 60s Who was filmed in, with the character himself. As Mokinokaro says, there's sexism in the Hartnell era, and the charater is massively paternalistic - and there's discussion to be had about the evolving role and attitude towards women during the shows run (even the basic change of viewing the Doctor's travelling partners, not as "assistants", but "companions") - but the lines feel really odd coming out of the first Doctor's mouth. Like, imagine if there were similar comments, not about Bill's sex, but about being an openly lesbian woman of mixed-race descent, prevailing to 60s views at the time. It'd be really weird and awful. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Dec 26, 2017 |
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Dec 26, 2017 02:13
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Originally Bill wasn't even going to be in the episode, but Moffat figured it would be a waste to have One be super old fashioned without Bill around to commentate on it and for Twelve to be super embarrassed about it.
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Dec 26, 2017 02:24
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It was, like agressively Okay. It was nice to see Bill back, and I enjoyed having the 1st and latest doctor play off of each other, but there really wasn't much going on. Though I admit I enjoyed it way more than last years. And yea it was weird that they went to the trouble to make actors up like the 1sts companions and then they just kind of vanish. I do hope in the future they're not afraid to cast other actors as earlier doctors. I'd love see the 2nd or 3rd show up.
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Dec 26, 2017 02:30
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I thought it all worked pretty well honestly. Doctor Who was a very casually sexist and chauvinistic show back in the '60s (Much like just about everything else) and incorporating that into One's character really helped drive home the theme of change and just how far the Doctor has come over the years. Everyone's embarrassed by the stupid poo poo they said when they were young and The Doctor is no different. This wasn't the First Doctor as he was back when it was Hartnell was playing him, the powerful old authority figure. This was the First Doctor as he exists to us now with 50 years of retroactive perspective. The character as he was conceived back then doesn't exist anymore and never really can again. That line from somewhere back in Ten's run has never seemed more apt. "Trying to be all old and important, like you do when you're young."
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Dec 26, 2017 02:31
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To be fair, they cut out all the jokes.
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Dec 26, 2017 03:10
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I watched it twice today (once by myself this aft and then a rewatch with the girlfriend later with World Enough & Time / The Doctor Falls). My verdict is that I enjoyed it but there are parts which i would have rewritten. the second time through had me wondering if the original napkin sketch for this story was written for John Hurt - Capaldi. Any info on that?
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Dec 26, 2017 03:19
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My only complaint is that the Captain felt like he was just there so Moffat could put Mark Gatiss in the episode Also Twelve should have regenerated after "One more lifetime won't kill anyone, except me," but I'm not going to bitch about an extra two and a half minutes of Capaldi getting to ramble TinTower posted:Let's see what Twitter thinks of Jodie:
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Dec 26, 2017 03:24
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Soothing Vapors posted:My only complaint is that the Captain felt like he was just there so Moffat could put Mark Gatiss in the episode I'm not wading into that morass to fill even one brain cell with the opinions of horrible stupid people but I will say that I don't understand why the Doctor keeps regenerating in his/her TARDIS without any safeguards or anything. I mean Nine went fairly quietly, Ten wrecked the TARDIS, Eleven crashed it, and Twelve blew it up. Just park the drat thing and go regenerate below decks or something! You used to not detonate everything in a four block radius when you did this!
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Dec 26, 2017 03:37
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Chokes McGee posted:I'm not wading into that morass to fill even one brain cell with the opinions of horrible stupid people but I will say that I don't understand why the Doctor keeps regenerating in his/her TARDIS without any safeguards or anything. Eh, that's the next guy(girl)'s problem
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Dec 26, 2017 03:38
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joe football posted:Eh, that's the next guy(girl)'s problem  BTW, can someone get me a GIF of One's monocle popping out? That thing's gonna get a lot of mileage from me.
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Dec 26, 2017 03:40
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I just realized I typed "his/her" earlier and  a little
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Dec 26, 2017 03:40
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That was awesome, I'm excited for the next series. I wasn't expecting the return of the old music cues, that was a good way for Murray Gold to go out.
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Dec 26, 2017 03:42
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Chokes McGee posted:I'm not wading into that morass to fill even one brain cell with the opinions of horrible stupid people but I will say that I don't understand why the Doctor keeps regenerating in his/her TARDIS without any safeguards or anything. Haha yeah maybe actually falling out of the Tardis because you keep making the same dumb mistake will finally teach him/her to stop doing it
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Dec 26, 2017 03:42
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I hope the Doctor keeps doing it as the first test of the next Doctors ability to live up the the legacy. If you can't survive a run of the mill regeneration induced TARDIS crash, then you can't really be the genuine article.
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Dec 26, 2017 03:47
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"Well one more lifetime won't kill anyone...Except me" would have been great last words right up there with "You were absolutely fantastic, and you know wot, so was I!" but then they blew it It is a pretty important episode but I kind of dislike it when they do massively consequential metaphysical revelations for the sake of one story, such as welp the human afterlife is now every human being(that was only humans wasn't it?) through all time being perfectly recreated and living forever as a computer person, presumably in paradise. Like that seems way more important then the doctor's trying to figure out their regeneration hangups and will probably never be brought up again Also did they ever explain why the doctor didn't remember the first doctor having this adventure? The 12th doctor definitely mentioned this so it had to have been addressed at some point and I just missed it?
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Dec 26, 2017 04:11
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joe football posted:"Well one more lifetime won't kill anyone...Except me" would have been great last words right up there with "You were absolutely fantastic, and you know wot, so was I!" but then they blew it Agreed, and the rule on multidoctoring (and multimastering) is that only the incarnation farthest down the personal time stream can retain the memories, at least consciously. That's why 10 and 9 didn't remember what happened to Gallifrey - because 11 was there, only 11 remembers the whole affair, and even then only once he experienced it as 11.
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Dec 26, 2017 04:15
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joe football posted:"Well one more lifetime won't kill anyone...Except me" would have been great last words right up there with "You were absolutely fantastic, and you know wot, so was I!" but then they blew it joe football posted:Also did they ever explain why the doctor didn't remember the first doctor having this adventure? The 12th doctor definitely mentioned this so it had to have been addressed at some point and I just missed it?
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Dec 26, 2017 04:17
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So the Doctor becomes a woman, and immediately crashes the TARDIS. Great start .....
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Dec 26, 2017 04:26
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joe football posted:"Well one more lifetime won't kill anyone...Except me" would have been great last words right up there with "You were absolutely fantastic, and you know wot, so was I!" but then they blew it Twelve says to One that they're both in a state of temporal grace, maybe that's how they addressed it.
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Dec 26, 2017 04:27
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HardKase posted:So the Doctor becomes a woman, and immediately crashes the TARDIS. Oh man did you think of this yourself? 
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Dec 26, 2017 04:28
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HardKase posted:So the Doctor becomes a woman, and immediately crashes the TARDIS. The Doctor blows up the TARDIS, causing it to crash, and then becomes a woman. Clearly, men are the bad drivers in this story.
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Dec 26, 2017 04:32
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CommonShore posted:My verdict is that I enjoyed it but there are parts which i would have rewritten. Same. They missed out on one massive 'HOLY poo poo' moment they could have done. After Bill and Nardole hugs him, the Doctor walks away. Then a third glass entity appears, some complete random person we haven't seen before and says 'Was my dress sense really that bad? Bill and Nardole grin and all teleport out.
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Dec 26, 2017 04:53
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It wasn't all-time great, but it was good. I did like Rusty showing up again because that's just the sort of circularity I enjoy in a story like this. Capaldi's speech at the end did go on a little too long, but hey, let the man filibuster. I'm super nervous about what Chibnall is going to do, but I'm sure whatever it is Whitaker won't be the problem.
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Dec 26, 2017 05:21
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I admit most of my Who knowledge comes from the new series, I've seen very little of the classic. I know Logopolis is better, and I know The Caves of Androzani is drat-near perfect. But of the ones I've seen, this is the best regeneration episode. It's not perfect and there's some problems, especially early on (although let's be honest, it kind of is a perfect capstone for Twelve's final story to be a shaky start but a great finish), but when it wanted to do something it did it well. I genuinely enjoyed a lot of the jokes around One early on as well as all of the serious exploration of him later, the callbacks were actually pretty free of what we'd usually worry about with Moffat callbacks, the 'twist' was a lot of fun to see arrive, and of course the Christmas Armistice scene was beautiful. The regeneration in the TARDIS dragged on a little, but honestly I was bawling by then anyway, so I didn't care. And of course, Thirteen's first scene is great. A couple things I wanted to specifically note: -Rusty was probably the nicest callback they could've made. It's not a demanding one for the audience to remember, it's not overused, doesn't take away anything, or lead them to just recycle, he was just a fun one to see come back. Plus, it means Briggs is there to farewell Moffat too. -Gatiss did surprisingly well, better than I expected, although that may be in part because he was basing his performance on Courtenay. The cinema I was watching this in showed a Twelve/Moffat retrospective before the special and a making-of after, and Gatiss' input on the latter was really cute. He was cast because Moffat wanted him around for his last story, and loved that after so many years as a fan, writer, director and actor he finally got to say it was bigger on the inside. He also talked about how hard it was to not undersell the TARDIS since he's so used to it, so you can see the Captain in the background of the scene where they arrive on Rusty's planet where he's trying to figure out how the TARDIS just moved them
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Dec 26, 2017 05:26
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HardKase posted:So the Doctor becomes a woman, and immediately crashes the TARDIS.     
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Dec 26, 2017 05:27
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I'm just really, really relieved that they didn't have the Christmas truce be caused by the Doctor(s) somehow.
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Dec 26, 2017 05:27
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Im just saying why make that direction decision? It is questionable as hell. Other than that the episode was done good who.
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Dec 26, 2017 05:33
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jivjov posted:The Doctor blows up the TARDIS, causing it to crash, and then becomes a woman. Clearly, men are the bad drivers in this story. This is actually a perfect example: 10 regenerates into 11, TARDIS is crashing, doesn't represent all men but just 11. 11 regenerates into 12, doesn't know how to fly the TARDIS, doesn't represent all men but just 12. 12 regenerates into 13, TARDIS is crashing, "oh my gosh women drivers!" Imagine a world where one man acting like an idiot is taken as representative of all men. It's not like it's hard to think of examples of men acting like idiots. (Only the Romanas and River have demonstrated an ability to properly fly the TARDIS every time, anyway...) Also, I propose that we formally give additional names to Rusty. He is now Rusty T. Davies. And he must immediately get a Big Finish series where he travels time and space with his companion Handles.
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Dec 26, 2017 05:35
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This just in - Doctor Who fans in disagreement, film at eleven.
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Dec 26, 2017 05:42
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Speaking of River, really loving weird for 12 to go on a tear about how only children can hear his name when River knows it. I know continuity is messy in this show but it was Moffat's choice to have her know it and make a big deal about that in the first place so it feels super weird to have him suddenly decide that adults can't comprehend it or whatever. ETA: welp having just typed that out I just realised that it actually works perfectly if the reason why River can know his name is because she's part Time Lord, and that would also explain 10's reaction to hearing it in her first episode. So I guess I just made myself actually like a very twee, overly long speech about children being able to understand things adults can't. Organza Quiz fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Dec 26, 2017 |
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Dec 26, 2017 05:44
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Narsham posted:Also, I propose that we formally give additional names to Rusty. He is now Rusty T. Davies. And he must immediately get a Big Finish series where he travels time and space with his companion Handles. Another part of the making-of was Briggs talking about Rusty, and says he's looking forward to the spinoff series of Rusty fighting the entire Dalek armada. Oh, and another thing from that special that I think people here will find interesting: the initial plan for the Tenth Planet scenes at the start wasn't just to splice in some reshoots with some remaining footage, but to do a whole reshoot with a combination of 60s and modern cinematography and special effects. They showed a pre-effects cut of it, and it's beautiful.
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Dec 26, 2017 05:46
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Narsham posted:He is now Rusty T. Davies. QUELLE DO-MAGE, DAAVVVROOOS
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Those Twitter comments are clearly just clever trolls. Every NuWho regeneration has resulted in a crashed Tardis and a Ginger joke. It’s a running gag now.
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