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I for one, support strawberry dude who looks like my uncle over Putin and Navalny
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what'll probably happen is that putin will get elected in 2018, serve out his last term, and navalny will get elected in 2022 after which the putin bureaucracy will be baked into the system and he'll have to govern within those parameters.Dreddout posted:I for one, support strawberry dude who looks like my uncle over Putin and Navalny 
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Strawberry Man is our only hope
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I mean I know the answer isn’t because they actually give a poo poo about the corruption within the Russian government but because they fear a reemergent Russian sphere of influence. I am curious though about the source of your quote.
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somehow i missed this amber a'lee frost article about the left forum from 2015: https://thebaffler.com/latest/flakes-alive quote:At its best, Left Forum remains a reassuring beacon of cameraderie and ambition. In addition to seasoned journalists, organizers and academics, it usually snags a few big public intellectuals, like Noam Chomsky, David Harvey, and Angela Davis, while also peppering the bill with high-profile activists like Harry Belafonte and Michael Moore. The organizers sometimes even lure the odd political success story, most recently Kshama Sawant, Seattle City Council member and open socialist. Generally, both speakers and attendees are smart, friendly, and often quite young and good-looking (if I do say so myself). quote:One of the first report-backs I heard was on a Black Lives Matter panel, that “devolved into a polemical debate on the merits of Stalinism vs. Trotskyism (resulting in a panelist claiming that ‘taking over the army in order to wipe out the police would probably be the most feasible short-term strategy’).” Such is the quixotic single-mindedness of the live-action-role-playing Russophile.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:what'll probably happen is that putin will get elected in 2018, serve out his last term, and navalny will get elected in 2022 after which the putin bureaucracy will be baked into the system and he'll have to govern within those parameters. i think putin isn't going to retire; he's too paranoid about having the money he stole taken from him. on the other hand, he is running as an independent this time, so he might be trying to boost another candidate from United Russia. navalny is quite racist, although he doesn't seem particularly authoritarian. he would probably be more like US president wilson than hitler. quote:In 2008 during the Russo-Georgian War, Navalny called Georgians "rodents" (Russian: грызуны) and called for imposing of a complete blockade on Georgia and eviction of all Georgian nationals from Russia. He further stated that he very much wanted to strike the Georgian General Staff with a cruise missile. In response to criticism, in 2013 Navalny said that he regretted calling Georgians rodents but stood by everything else he said at the time. he is also on record calling one of his party members a "blackass" strawberry communist is definitely the best candidate
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so holiday stories. usually every christmas at my parents' some hometown friends come over to escape from their (drunk, dysfunctional, etc.) families. friends are very, very left and are highly active in political organizing in marxist causes. i would describe dad as a "radicalized democrat" who will rant about his right-wing republican coworkers to my friends, talking about all the petty bickering watercooler arguments he has with them, but he doesn't seem to get that my friends don't share the same basic "world view" so to speak. they nod and smile politely, though. well what bothers me is that despite all of these rants and how unfair and terrible the republicans are, he never votes and doesn't do anything political... except rant, and get into pointless arguments with his co-workers about politics, with a success rate of 0% at changing anyone's mind over however many years he has been doing it. one of his co-workers, by the way, is a long-time organizer for the state republican party and goes to their conventions. an anecdote but an anecdotal example of why democrats have gotten into so much trouble. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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"blackass" is a slur that Russians use for Caucasian people, btw.
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It’s like a difficult choice between King Louie and Vichy
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:somehow i missed this amber a'lee frost article about the left forum from 2015: amber sucks, dude
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I look forward to hearing about strawberry man's many crimes that will no doubt be uncovered shortly
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:"blackass" is a slur that Russians use for Caucasian people, btw. yes, she was Azerbaijani. he also said that she belonged in a market, not their party
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R. Guyovich posted:amber sucks, dude so do you though
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lancemantis posted:It’s like a difficult choice between King Louie and Vichy i mean yes ultimately putin and navalny have two different but equally lovely visions for russia, putin’s being one of imperialism harkening back to the heyday of tarist russia with the kremlin at the center of a sprawling multiethnic empire while navalny wants a nationalist nation that cuts loose all the non-russian regions that would also likely involve pogroms.
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R. Guyovich posted:amber sucks, dude lol
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sorry i forgot punching left is bad when democrats do it but extremely good when dsa socdems do it Darkman Fanpage posted:so do you though actually i kick rear end
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*looks at who you’ve been probating* okay you’re not so bad
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if you're going to interpret any sincere criticism as 'punching left' then you're preventing positive change
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amber punches people who deserve it
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:amber punches people who deserve it Not always. She wrote an article about ways people shouldn't write about Nazis, and accused a guy who has covered far right movements for decades of being histrionic when he said he's never seen nazis more organized than they were at Charlottesville.
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we cannot allow redkahina's honour to be impugned
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Darkman Fanpage posted:i mean yes ultimately putin and navalny have two different but equally lovely visions for russia, putin’s being one of imperialism harkening back to the heyday of tarist russia with the kremlin at the center of a sprawling multiethnic empire while navalny wants a nationalist nation that cuts loose all the non-russian regions that would also likely involve pogroms. Russia may have been a mistake.
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perma'ing slashie earns HE a lifetime "yeah he's alright" in my book okay this isn't the thread but it's about as good a time as ever: i have a friend on fb who says slavs aren't white and claims to be a poc, the gently caress is up with that? he's whiter than i am, but it's a pretty severely-held conviction, does that poo poo have a history?
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Aliquid posted:perma'ing slashie earns HE a lifetime "yeah he's alright" in my book Slavs aren't one monolithic ethnic group: there are commonly held to be three subgroups (West, East and South) distinguished by geography and very different histories and cultures. They have mixed with Finno-Urgic peoples, Turkic steppe peoples, Iranians, Huns, and other smaller groups that might be considered "non-white".
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:somehow i missed this amber a'lee frost article about the left forum from 2015: we all just got doxxed
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Autism Sneaks posted:Slavs aren't one monolithic ethnic group: there are commonly held to be three subgroups (West, East and South) distinguished by geography and very different histories and cultures. They have mixed with Finno-Urgic peoples, Turkic steppe peoples, Iranians, Huns, and other smaller groups that might be considered "non-white". slavs are white as hell somebody post the ethnoeuropean mspaint
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look okay when it comes to tribalistic associations and otherization skin color isn't the end-all be-all
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the truth is that all whites are descended from Slav 🥔
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the truth is that all whites are descended from Slav 🥔
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:amber punches people who deserve it who loving cares about this specific fringe. what is the purpose of it. taking time and effort to write about them suggests they have influence, when they don't. it also dismisses the whole event by linking it with captains insano like klein and greaves the people we need to convince have no idea left forum exists, much less minor figures within it. the people we'll never convince think the whole of the us left is insane. pieces like this are smug exercises in rhetorical masturbation and no i am NOT signing my post!!!!
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irony twitter makes fun of liberal figures because they have clout. what clout does phil "never leaves his basement" greaves possess that can't be measured in piss bottles
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okay i'll stop posting amber articles but you will never stop me from making fun of maoist third-worldists. never.
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R. Guyovich posted:irony twitter makes fun of liberal figures because they have clout. what clout does phil "never leaves his basement" greaves possess that can't be measured in piss bottles uh his name is phil strenger
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:okay i'll stop posting amber articles but you will never stop me from making fun of maoist third-worldists. i mean sure, whatever. but i just don't see what a string of "no they're WAY crazier than us!!!!" accomplishes
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Phil Greaves said he'd kick Red Ken's rear end and called him a oval office on twitter, so maybe Amber is just running flak for her sex pest friend.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Red Ken 
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R. Guyovich posted:i mean sure, whatever. but i just don't see what a string of "no they're WAY crazier than us!!!!" accomplishes It's fun. Sometimes people do things and read things for fun.
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Jizz Festival posted:It's fun. Sometimes people do things and read things for fun. Also it's really really really really really important to develop a culture of criticism of things which end at the criticism itself (and then enabling discussion of the validity of the thing and the criticism afterwards) without automatically implying 'therefore it is/you are bad/banned/expelled from the party/sent to a gulag'.
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