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Death of Hawkman was loving awful but at least poo poo happened in it, which puts it one up on Hawkman Lost.
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Teenage Fansub posted:I thought the pairing was pretty fun. Maybe it's just me, but this feels like Johns is being a petulant child towards Moore by going, "Nyu-uh! See, your villain's plan was so stupid, haha!"
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Dec 28, 2017 06:30
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I remember an episode of Justice League Action that dealt with the smartest people matter. Mr Mind kidnaps Luthor, Batman, Mr Terrific, The Brain and Calculator. Then forces them into contests to see which of them is the smartest. His intention being to add the winners intellect to his own, and possess their body. (The Brain being there more or less being a mistake from the Robot Kidnapper he sent) Luthor wins overall to find he was going to be the true loser due to Mr Mind taking over his body, but is saved by Mr Terrific who had thrown one of the earlier contests who defeats Mr Mind. So he could escape while Mr Mind was not watching him. Luthor and Mr Mind states his anger at being outsmarted by Terrific as he is only the third smartest guy in the world. Terrific state goes on to state he was the one who made the list stating he was the third smartest man, partially because he does not like drawing too much attention to himself.
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Dec 28, 2017 06:31
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Neurosis posted:iirc mr terrific is meant to be the world's smartest person so i dunno what that is about. i assume veidt has access to information making it clear wayne is batman, which is what would justify putting bruce as one of the smartest two people (terrific is possibly more specialised towards science rather than the all-round genius bruce and lex have). I don't think they knew, Rorschach didn't seem aware of the issue until after he broke into the Batcave. And Veidt posits that Dr. Manhattan could be one of the world's superheroes, which wouldn't fit with going after Bruce Wayne for help if they though he was Batman. The Lex and Veidt scene portrays them as so insufferably smug. It fits for Lex. nofather fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Dec 28, 2017 |
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Dec 28, 2017 06:48
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amigolupus posted:Maybe it's just me, but this feels like Johns is being a petulant child towards Moore by going, "Nyu-uh! See, your villain's plan was so stupid, haha!" lex is kind of smug and petty. i can see him reacting exactly like that. i doubt adrian would state what happened in exactly the plain terms he apparently did, though. nofather posted:The Lex and Veidt scene portrays them as so insufferably smug. It fits for Lex. there are a couple of panels in watchmen where veidt is loving smug as poo poo - like where he's talking about catching the bullet.
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Dec 28, 2017 06:54
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I just saw that John Constantine: Hellblazer was apparently renamed or relaunched as just plain Hellblazer a while back, which makes me more happy than it should. Is it any good?
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Dec 28, 2017 06:57
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Neurosis posted:there are a couple of panels in watchmen where veidt is loving smug as poo poo - like where he's talking about catching the bullet. Yeah. I'm not sure how to explain the difference. Lex would never ask Superman whether he thought he did the right thing. Ozymandias didn't seem like he'd spit at Manhattan if caught. I think I got it, he's reminding me of Norman Osborn. Except a tumor instead of hearing voices. nofather fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Dec 28, 2017 |
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Skwirl posted:I just saw that John Constantine: Hellblazer was apparently renamed or relaunched as just plain Hellblazer a while back, which makes me more happy than it should. Is it any good? If you mean the Rebirth series, no. The previous one 'Constantine: The Hellblazer' was actually really good. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Dec 28, 2017 |
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Dec 28, 2017 06:58
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Teenage Fansub posted:If you mean the Rebirth series, no. The previous one 'Constantine: The Hellblazer' was actually really good. drat, I did read a bit of Constantine: Hellblazer and liked it, I should probably just grab the rest.
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Dec 28, 2017 07:05
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i didn't know that that Invasion story with the offensive Japanese stereotypes had said that twelve percent of the dc human population had metahuman genes (if doomsday clock 2 is accurate). maybe we weren't so hard done by compared to kryptonians and martians after all.
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Dec 28, 2017 09:08
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amigolupus posted:Maybe it's just me, but this feels like Johns is being a petulant child towards Moore by going, "Nyu-uh! See, your villain's plan was so stupid, haha!" I feel like that's a reach when it's just Lex Luthor being Lex Luthor if the shoe was on the other foot Luthor would be ranting and defending his plan as brilliant
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Dec 28, 2017 10:56
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Yeah, Lex telling someone that they are stupid because they thought too highly of people seems pretty in-character.
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Dec 28, 2017 11:04
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Roth posted:Scott Snyder's Swamp-Thing was good until Rotworld started. The great part is that after Rotworld Charles Soule comes in and his run on Swamp Thing is basically the best run on the character since Alan Moore (so basically second best imo). The Future's End issue works as a perfect finale to his run.
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Dec 28, 2017 11:46
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, Lex telling someone that they are stupid because they thought too highly of people seems pretty in-character. Remember when he ignored the machine telling him Clark was superman because lex could not comprehend superman being so normal
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Dec 28, 2017 12:30
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amigolupus posted:Maybe it's just me, but this feels like Johns is being a petulant child towards Moore by going, "Nyu-uh! See, your villain's plan was so stupid, haha!" Yeah, it feels exactly like that to me too. I guess it's in character for Lex Luthor, but it also feels like Johns trying to prove his sequel is worthwhile by taking shots at the reality of the original. Also, yeah, there's zero reason why Veidt would conclude Bruce Wayne is one of the smartest people in the world unless he instantly genius-intuited that Bruce Wayne is Batman through a Google search, which admittedly would be fairly in character. If it's not that, it just comes off as shoddy writing to get Batman into the story as soon as possible because All Events Must Have Batman.
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Dec 28, 2017 15:07
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I decided to try to read the Morrison Batman run over Christmas break, and I'm about halfway through Final Crisis. I don't understand it at all. This isn't a huge surprise since I've always heard it was impenetrable unless you're an expert in DC history, so I'm curious if I can just skip the rest and move onto Batman & Robin/Batman Inc, or if I should just stop now and move on if I can't make it through Final Crisis.
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Dec 28, 2017 15:46
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Dunbar posted:I decided to try to read the Morrison Batman run over Christmas break, and I'm about halfway through Final Crisis. I don't understand it at all. This isn't a huge surprise since I've always heard it was impenetrable unless you're an expert in DC history, so I'm curious if I can just skip the rest and move onto Batman & Robin/Batman Inc, or if I should just stop now and move on if I can't make it through Final Crisis. You don't need to read Final Crisis to enjoy Morrison's Batman. I've still never read it all the way through.
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Dec 28, 2017 15:51
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Gotham City Garage Lois Lane is literally just "Spider Jerusalem with hair and tits". It's crazy, and arguably crazier still, it works.
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Dec 28, 2017 16:56
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Dunbar posted:I decided to try to read the Morrison Batman run over Christmas break, and I'm about halfway through Final Crisis. I don't understand it at all. This isn't a huge surprise since I've always heard it was impenetrable unless you're an expert in DC history, so I'm curious if I can just skip the rest and move onto Batman & Robin/Batman Inc, or if I should just stop now and move on if I can't make it through Final Crisis. Batman #702 recaps Batman's part of Final Crisis pretty well.
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Dec 28, 2017 17:22
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Dunbar posted:I decided to try to read the Morrison Batman run over Christmas break, and I'm about halfway through Final Crisis. I don't understand it at all. The bits with Nix Uotan and the Monitors are critiques of 90s GrimDark overwriting the inherent hope and light of the characters and a set-up of the cosmology of the PostFC DCU (Orrery of 52 Worlds, Monitors being a self-reflective probe to examine the storyspace of the DCU among the vast possibilities of fictionspace).
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Dec 28, 2017 20:57
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Dunbar posted:I decided to try to read the Morrison Batman run over Christmas break, and I'm about halfway through Final Crisis. I don't understand it at all. This isn't a huge surprise since I've always heard it was impenetrable unless you're an expert in DC history, so I'm curious if I can just skip the rest and move onto Batman & Robin/Batman Inc, or if I should just stop now and move on if I can't make it through Final Crisis. Batman and Robin stands alone pretty well, I think. But I think Batman Inc. you have to have read most of the Morrison run to understand.
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Dec 28, 2017 21:02
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I really wish they kept DickBats and Damien a bit longer because they had a really good dynamic
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Weren't there detailed Final Crisis footnotes on CBR or something? I'm Googling to help you out, but I can't find what I want. edit: There's this https://www.cbr.com/final-crisis-cliffs-notes/ but I'm sure I saw a page-by-page version years ago. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Dec 28, 2017 |
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Dec 28, 2017 22:27
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Teenage Fansub posted:Weren't there detailed Final Crisis footnotes on CBR or something? I'm Googling to help you out, but I can't find what I want. Lmao this is why final crisis is bad and 7 soldiers and multiversity are the much better "final crisis".
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Dec 28, 2017 23:00
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Mr Hootington posted:Lmao this is why final crisis is bad and 7 soldiers and multiversity are the much better "final crisis". .. You do know footnotes exist for both of those too, right?
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Dec 28, 2017 23:06
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d00gz did annotations for Final Crisis, but Funnybook Babylon only seems to have issues 4 and later still posted.
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Endless Mike posted:d00gz did annotations for Final Crisis, but Funnybook Babylon only seems to have issues 4 and later still posted.
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Dec 28, 2017 23:18
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Edge & Christian posted:I think the later ones ended up on Comics Alliance, because unlike us they actually paid him. Also man do I need to fix that site. Yeah, you do. Babylon was essential reading for me along with 4thletter and CA when I first got #comicswoke
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Edge & Christian posted:I think the later ones ended up on Comics Alliance, because unlike us they actually paid him. Also man do I need to fix that site.
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ImpAtom posted:.. You do know footnotes exist for both of those too, right? Why? They arent an incomprehensible mess like final crisis.
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Mr Hootington posted:Why? They arent an incomprehensible mess like final crisis. It's a pretty simple story. Darkseid's ending all things, heroes and villains band together, love and hope rule the day. There's a lot of subtext but it shouldn't be incomprehensible to anyone, at the core it and Morrison's Batman run are standard comic book stories, they just touch upon deeper things.
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Dec 29, 2017 00:35
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Try to explain Superman's stone robot and Mandarrk the vampire monitor in 'pretty simple' terms.
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Dec 29, 2017 00:53
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Teenage Fansub posted:Try to explain Superman's stone robot and Mandarrk the vampire monitor in 'pretty simple' terms. Narrative made flesh Commentary on post-90s comic tone. Checkmate.
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That's reductionist. Not simple. Final Crisis is simple thematically, sure, but the actual narrative and references are wildly dense. I dunno how anyone who just wants a surface story instead of becoming a superhero history archaeologist could have much fun. I had a ball 
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Dec 29, 2017 01:01
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Teenage Fansub posted:Try to explain Superman's stone robot and Mandarrk the vampire monitor in 'pretty simple' terms. The thought robot was designed to defend the multiverse against the ultimate threat. If you have one Superman, and dozens of alternate universe Supermans, it's all-universe Superman. Basically super-Superman. The vampire monitor is pretty self explanatory (it's a monitor and a vampire), though the book does get into the monitors (they're a race that watches over the multiverse). Just like the Thought Form is a Superman for all universes, Mandrakk is as well. He's a super-vampire that eats universes. There is a bit more to it (the monitors basically survive off the multiverse and Mandrakk was driven mad by exile) but that's the pretty simple overview. As dense as it may seem, it's basically Superman protecting people from a vampire. It's just super-Superman protecting all people (and things) from the ultimate vampire.
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Teenage Fansub posted:That's reductionist. Not simple. "I AM NEITHER SUPERMAN OR ULTRAMAN! I AM COSMIC ARMOR SUPERMAN!" Supervillain.
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Dec 29, 2017 01:03
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I mean if "it has published annotations" means it's bad to you, keep in mind that largely self-contained stories Sandman and Watchmen have officially-published annotations.
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I feel like we just had a Final Crisis discussion. My issue with Mandrakk besides all the bloody meta text going on with him is that he felt so stupidly shoehorned in. For most of the comic Darkseid is the villain and all of a sudden the last issue happens and a space vampire representing story telling shows up to say "hi, I'm a space vampire and also I represent darkness and bad story telling booo"
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Madkal posted:I feel like we just had a Final Crisis discussion. My issue with Mandrakk besides all the bloody meta text going on with him is that he felt so stupidly shoehorned in. For most of the comic Darkseid is the villain and all of a sudden the last issue happens and a space vampire representing story telling shows up to say "hi, I'm a space vampire and also I represent darkness and bad story telling booo" It's because FC was a 10 issue series and Didio decided that 7 was the magic number so all the Superman stuff got jettisoned to the BEYOND mini. It's all in the trade but it's still disjointed a bit.
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Madkal posted:For most of the comic Darkseid is the villain and all of a sudden the last issue happens and a space vampire representing story telling shows up to say "hi, I'm a space vampire and also I represent darkness and bad story telling booo" If anything Bad Vampire Storyguy was worth it for the best Captain Carrot and the Amazing Zoo Crew cameo put to page.
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