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Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Take the hint and fork off

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Toys For Ass Bum
Feb 1, 2015

Tether is printing again!
https://twitter.com/tetherprinter?lang=en

There's now $1.3 Billion USDT

jimmyjams
Jan 10, 2001


King Kong of Megadongs
Gobblin' them mega schlongs
Makin' sure they mega long
Stroke' 'em if they mega strong
decentralized digital ponzi schemes lmao

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


ALL money is arbitrary

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Toys For rear end Bum posted:

Tether is printing again!
https://twitter.com/tetherprinter?lang=en

There's now $1.3 Billion USDT
I'd looked at the bitcoinity ticker thing and someone bought* like a thousand butts at 13,660, so I guess that's where most of that went.

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
tether is a store of value. everything is. except us dollars. get rid of your worthless dollars while you still can!

Rock Puncher
Jul 26, 2014
something about south korea is making the butts go down today?

HCFJ
Nov 30, 2009

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.

Rock Puncher posted:

something about south korea is making the butts go down today?

they have to use their real names to buy btc now (just like the usa) and bitcoin is officially over

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

Purely as curiosity for another project I'm working on, can you give me a sense of how many copies of this wildly successful book you've managed to sell?

Last night it went over 4000 sales! That's actual paying customers giving me money. About 1000 paperbacks, the rest ebook.

and self-publishing, I keep ALL the money. Expecting somewhere over £10k by the time the hype cycle finishes.

I was literally expecting 100-200 sales when i started it, in late 2016, when nobody gave a poo poo.

I should write a book on how to be successful at self publishing: "How To Win The Lottery: picking six numbers like a genius like me"

Dadbod Apocalypse posted:

Does your book delve into all the dumb questions I've been asking over the last two pages? If so, I'll buy a hardcopy from Amazon.

tries to. The trouble with Bitcoin books is the first chapter always has to be explaining what the arsing gently caress a bitcoin is. You can see the "Look Inside" on Amazon for the first three chapters.

Ccs posted:

I hate that I have to sound like I'm defending bitcoin, but it was the first application of Practical Byzantium Fault Tolerance. It used a Proof of Work algorithm that had originally been used in systems such as Hashcash to limit email spam. This was the first time it was implemented toward the PBFT problem.

In that way it was a piece of engineering that solved a problem in computer science, namely demonstrating how to apply PBFT.

This has no bearing on its utility or lack thereof as a currency.

it was very interesting and extremely clever!

this is not the same as useful, practical or feasible

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Ham Sandwiches posted:

Ah yes, my super bold position of "Cryptos are not a scam, go ahead and mess around with them if you want" continues to be controversial I suppose

dude you flipped out at COMRADES because they were having trouble using Coinbase right as an unannounced service outage was beginning

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

ilmucche posted:

This is what I always hear, but surely there are some that make money

Gamble with someone else's money for startup capital, live the business 24/7 for a couple years at minimum, and then sell out. Or, you know, pony up for a franchise who's already done the hard work and you just have to run day to day. Running a Dairy Queen is pretty drat profitable.

Rock Puncher
Jul 26, 2014

quote:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7mlso0/dont_repeat_my_mistakes_i_had_everything_now_i_am/

After reading all these bitcoin success stories around here, i decided to share my story of failure, in order to protect people from the mistakes i made. I have no intend to ask for a help, but a bit of moral support will be very helpful. I am very ashamed of my ignorance, it's hard to admit it, but i will try.

I was into bitcoin for about a 2 years. All that time i was buying btc and hodling, never sold a single satoshi, waiting for times when i could spend it without converting into fiat. I was lunatik about how cryptocurrency will make a world a better place (and i am still is), this ideology changed my life. My family and friends, which mostly are people from my christian community, never supported these interests. We were always arguing about gambling component and how our religion is against it. And about bank system, etc.

I wont brag you how much i had btc, but for me and my family it was a very big money.

And i did couple major mistakes. Frankly, i think i did EVERYTHING wrong and it ruinded my life.

I borrowed money to buy crypto
I kept other people's crypto in my wallet
I never thought enough about securing my wallet
I have lost cold mind and become obsessed

So, first of all, i was so blinded with bitcoin success, that i was maniacally looking for a money everytime the price was dropping. Especially last half a year, if i had no money, i started borrowing as much, as i could return in 2018, "after some saving". It was very obviously for me that price will be higher and i will easily return the debt... But that's not a main problem.

You remember how i was obsessed with crypto? So i began to attract all relatives, friends and coworkers in cryptocurrency investing. Well, my boss was interested, but not as much to deal with "registration and stuff". And he gave me some money, so i could buy coins for him. At first, ammounts was so small, i didnt bother to make a separate wallet for him. And all the time i was thinking that soon it will be done. But as price was growing, boss became more interested and start to invest more and more money, never bothering to make himself a wallet. And i didnt thought much about it aswell. That was a big mistake.

And finally, the main reason i am telling this story. I think you already know what happened. I lost my wallet. I had only 2 copies of my wallet, "cold storage" as i thought. One on usb stick, and one on my old laptop, that i was using only for cryptocurrencies. I was stupid enough to keep both copies in one place, but this is not that fact that have destroyed me. My obsession pushed me to check my wallet all the time, not only looking online in the blockchaine, i had to check it by logging into wallet on my "cold laptop", and sometimes to check if usb-stick are working properly. Yep, i am idiot, and deserve to suffer, i know. One time i was stupid enough, to check both laptop and stick, after that i was distracted by a phone call and i forgot about everything. Went to a bedroom, got sleep and went to the job at the morning. when i returned from work, i found out that i had been robbed, they took both laptops (one new and that "old one" with a usb-stick in it) and some minor other things. Some time has passed, the police said they will take care of my laptops as soon as they catch all the murderers and stuff... Frankly, that's normal for my country i did not expect more. Wallets were encrypted with a password, no movement in my addresses. To be honest i doubt that the robbers understood what they had stolen. Btw, seed have been saved in txt file... On the same laptop and usb-stick.

Now i am broke, boss fired me, threatens me and has already contacted all possible employers in our town. I owe money to everyone i know. And the worst thing, that i have no support from my family and friends... They just saying things like "we told you!". I am depressed and completely confused in my believes, my loved ones and everything else.

Today i am going to an interview for some job. I will try my best to get things done. But you have no idea how it is tough to knowing you have lose everything. So please, don't make such mistakes. Secure your wallet, make some copies, don't keep all the copies in one place, and PLEASE NEVER BORROW money to buy crypto!

Sorry for my english and God bless you!

probably fake, you be the judge

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

Fried Watermelon posted:

ALL money is arbitrary

lmao, is that the buttcoin version of "ackshually, ALL lives matter :smuggo:"

Kromgart
Feb 25, 2010

If someone steals you bank card, you can call your bank, the card is blocked (and I think fraudulent transfers can be reversed?)
If someone steals your cash - the cash is gone, bye.
If someone steals you revolutionary crypto wallets, you cannot use those "coins". But thives cannot use them either. So now they actually have a reason to come back with a soldering iron (which they need for a quite simple process of thermo-rectal cryptoanalysis).

Hmm, so the third option is the currency of the future? This is so confusing :smith:

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Taco Defender

Rock Puncher posted:

probably fake, you be the judge

Thats mega fake.

junan_paalla
Dec 29, 2009

Seriously, do drugs
The good thing about bitcoin is the amount of interesting reads it generates. I liked this one

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

Uranium 235 posted:

also, they can't just disappear. they are a licensed and regulated company, they are based in the US, and their identities are known. how do you think they're going to just disappear with people's money?

I'm not sure why you seem to think this is all that much better of a situation to be in. In the event of a theft or loss of some kind, they'll declare bankruptcy. All of a sudden, you're a creditor waiting in line with thousands (tens of thousands?) of other creditors for a fraction of what you put in. Some of those creditors have far more money invested than you do, and they'll make drat sure that they're made whole before you see a buttpenny.

So, best case scenario, you get some fraction of your investment returned to you after 3-4 years.

Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!


junan_paalla posted:

The good thing about bitcoin is the amount of interesting reads it generates. I liked this one

I liked that too. Thanks for sharing.

Not sure how bitcoin avoids tanking eventually. Too volatile for merchant adoption. Ironically, the volatility is what attracts a lot of bitcoin holders.

Like anything misvalued, it’s possible to profit - if you did, great for you - but this is a negative-sum game. When all is said and done, all that has happened is a redistribution of wealth between participants. Meanwhile, money has leeched out into fiat through taxed gains, electricity costs, exchange fees (which are used to pay for operations - salary, hosting, overhead, etc - in local currency).

Gonna turn out to be the best way to pay terrorist ransoms, though.

Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!


Baronash posted:

I'm not sure why you seem to think this is all that much better of a situation to be in. In the event of a theft or loss of some kind, they'll declare bankruptcy. All of a sudden, you're a creditor waiting in line with thousands (tens of thousands?) of other creditors for a fraction of what you put in. Some of those creditors have far more money invested than you do, and they'll make drat sure that they're made whole before you see a buttpenny.

So, best case scenario, you get some fraction of your investment returned to you after 3-4 years.

Yeah also this. I mean let’s say I own one of the exchanges and my primary motivation is “get mine”. Ideal strategy is to take as much from each transaction as my clients will tolerate (much like a casino dealer). Pay out salary and bonus to myself. Once I can no longer afford to stay afloat, declare bankruptcy and liquidate all assets. Exchange goes under but I emerge much richer through legal means.

What, this money? That was my fair salary for running the service. Sorry it went under, I did my best.

paternity suitor
Aug 2, 2016

divabot posted:

I should write a book on how to be successful at self publishing: "How To Win The Lottery: picking six numbers like a genius like me"

Yo I would buy this

paternity suitor
Aug 2, 2016

Liquid Communism posted:

Gamble with someone else's money for startup capital, live the business 24/7 for a couple years at minimum, and then sell out. Or, you know, pony up for a franchise who's already done the hard work and you just have to run day to day. Running a Dairy Queen is pretty drat profitable.

I went to a bachelor party for a friend of mine, and his three cousins went as well. They were throwing around like $10k at blackjack and buying us all very expensive steak dinners and poo poo, and I was like, hey man, what the gently caress do your cousins do? Are they drug dealers or something? Nah, they own and operate multiple Popeyes Chickens, they're millionaires. Some of the stupidest people I've ever met in my whole life too. Hvafhdadf fuckin kill me.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

paternity suitor posted:

I went to a bachelor party for a friend of mine, and his three cousins went as well. They were throwing around like $10k at blackjack and buying us all very expensive steak dinners and poo poo, and I was like, hey man, what the gently caress do your cousins do? Are they drug dealers or something? Nah, they own and operate multiple Popeyes Chickens, they're millionaires. Some of the stupidest people I've ever met in my whole life too. Hvafhdadf fuckin kill me.

You're not opening a single fast food restaurant for less than $1 million.

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

Baronash posted:

I'm not sure why you seem to think this is all that much better of a situation to be in. In the event of a theft or loss of some kind, they'll declare bankruptcy. All of a sudden, you're a creditor waiting in line with thousands (tens of thousands?) of other creditors for a fraction of what you put in. Some of those creditors have far more money invested than you do, and they'll make drat sure that they're made whole before you see a buttpenny.

So, best case scenario, you get some fraction of your investment returned to you after 3-4 years.
customer cash balances are held in segregated accounts in their name at a bank that is FDIC insured

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

FogHelmut posted:

You're not opening a single fast food restaurant for less than $1 million.

I thought Subway franchises were really affordable, hence so many around (and failing).

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

quote:

Either the investor base diversifies during this price correction or bitcoin will crash very hard, former Pimco chief predicts.

"Either this sharp price correction will act as a catalyst for expanding what, until now, has been quite limited institutional involvement in this market — or it will become a stage in the deflation of a remarkable and historic asset bubble."
https://www.coindesk.com/el-erian-predicts-bitcoin-crash-savvier-investors-sit-correction/

junan_paalla
Dec 29, 2009

Seriously, do drugs

Uranium 235 posted:

customer cash balances are held in segregated accounts in their name at a bank that is FDIC insured

thank god so many exchanges are giving people play money (labeled as USD but actually USDT) so they don't have to deal with any of that

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

apparently there's going to be a bitcoin uranium fork on the 31st. i swear i'm not behind it

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316506

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer
I think restaurant franchises also expect you to work like 80-100 hour weeks for a long time getting them set up

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

Uranium 235 posted:

apparently there's going to be a bitcoin uranium fork on the 31st. i swear i'm not behind it

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316506

lol $BUM

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

if this isn't the coin for Minimalist Program then i don't know what is

paternity suitor
Aug 2, 2016

Ruggan posted:

Like anything misvalued, it’s possible to profit - if you did, great for you - but this is a negative-sum game. When all is said and done, all that has happened is a redistribution of wealth between participants.

Yeah, I keep trying to hammer this home to my friend who is obsessed with this poo poo. Bitcoin doesn't generate money man. I've been saying it's a zero-sum game, but actually you're right, it's a negative sum game.

It's the same exact poo poo that happened with hedge funds and banks and CDO's. We don't know what this is really worth, but I sell you one for $1B, you sell me one for $1B, and now we're both billionaires.

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

Burt Sexual posted:

I thought Subway franchises were really affordable, hence so many around (and failing).

apparently, depending on the location, you can open one for only like $150-300k (including their $30k liquid cash requirement), so I guess that is a fairly good way for the little guy to totally lose his shirt while trying to wrangle stoned teenagers

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
If you lose all your money in a failed restaurant investment at least you get some food and valuable work experience out of it.

Lose all your money in bitcoin and you get ????

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

Pochoclo posted:

If you lose all your money in a failed restaurant investment at least you get some food and valuable work experience out of it.

Lose all your money in bitcoin and you get ????

You get a sense of pride and accomplishment, like EA.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

Pochoclo posted:

If you lose all your money in a failed restaurant investment at least you get some food and valuable work experience out of it.

Lose all your money in bitcoin and you get ????

I'll always have the blockchain.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

paternity suitor posted:

I went to a bachelor party for a friend of mine, and his three cousins went as well. They were throwing around like $10k at blackjack and buying us all very expensive steak dinners and poo poo, and I was like, hey man, what the gently caress do your cousins do? Are they drug dealers or something? Nah, they own and operate multiple Popeyes Chickens, they're millionaires. Some of the stupidest people I've ever met in my whole life too. Hvafhdadf fuckin kill me.
capitalism is a meritocracy, friend

also playing blackjack against the house without doing some MIT blackjack thing that the casino is probably going to ban you for anyways means you are stupid or ignorant. no, the comps don't make up for it

cubicle gangster
Jun 26, 2005

magda, make the tea
I just had lunch with someone who was telling me that bitcoin as a currency cannot ever slow it's growth because there are a finite amount of coins.
I have had enough of them to shut it down, but it made me realise - isn't crypto in general the 'currency' at play here, and bitcoin/ltc/eth is essentially just a different denomination? Looking up graphs that overlay them and the last year they've tracked each other pretty closely.

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

cubicle gangster posted:

I just had lunch with someone who was telling me that bitcoin as a currency cannot ever slow it's growth because there are a finite amount of coins.
I have had enough of them to shut it down, but it made me realise - isn't crypto in general the 'currency' at play here, and bitcoin/ltc/eth is essentially just a different denomination? Looking up graphs that overlay them and the last year they've tracked each other pretty closely.
no, they are all distinct and have their own unique properties. they don't all use the same cryptographic hashing algorithm, for instance

they do tend to be correlated but if you look at the charts for other coins paired against BTC you'll see that the correlations do break down fairly often

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
There is a really unique advantage to bitcoin , but obviously, it is possible to get money out if it with the right timing, like you can say that about any speculative bubble.

Essentially the only people that can make money off of it just see it what it is a speculative commodity and are ready to dump it as quick as they can get the price they want for it.

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comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

cubicle gangster posted:

I just had lunch with someone who was telling me that bitcoin as a currency cannot ever slow it's growth because there are a finite amount of coins.
The rewards for mining exponentially decrease over time at regular intervals. Miners are necessary for bitcoin transactions to work.

AFAIK, the costs of mining in terms of energy also exponentially increases. Currently a single bitcoin transaction uses the same energy costs of an American household for an entire week.

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