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Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Brother Entropy posted:

that kid is never coming back except in maybe a garbage eu book for people who need everyone on screen to be important

so people like blazing owner

You make the mistake that this is some sort of fan fiction or wish I have

I don't loving want this kid to come back. I'd be happy if the kid died in a loving fire. I'm saying like it or not, that's what it is

AndyElusive posted:

If everyone on screen is important then everyone in the Canto Bight scenes are important and not just a part of the movie where everyone looked like they had the most fun making but that nearly everyone who watched it hated because of reasons.

I didn't hate the aesthetics as much as most. In fact I thought that was fine.

I did hate how it was a big ol' waste of wheel spinnin' time though.

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sponges
Sep 15, 2011

I think TLJ had enough solid individual scenes to make it an enjoyable enough movie. It’s just sloppy and suffers if you think about it too much

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
My dudes. One of the things since the fall of the Republic is how it’s rotten to the core. The casino scene shows this. Nothing actually changed and the Empire and Resistance still fights. The ending shows that a real victory and recruitment to a brighter future is done by compassionate helping hand. The resistance killing Empire soldiers or ships do nothing but continue cycle and bloodshed. Finn rescuing the animals and inspiring the kid is what is needed to rebuild a new better Republic and tear down existing systems.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
canto bight: bizarrely hamfisted subplot in an admittedly already hamfisted series, or, cunning and brilliant incising social commentary? you be the judge

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

I’m really enjoying being called an alt-right fanboy for disliking this movie

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Smythe posted:

canto bight: bizarrely hamfisted subplot in an admittedly already hamfisted series, or, cunning and brilliant incising social commentary? you be the judge

Oh my God, the fists are made of ham

sponges posted:

I think TLJ had enough solid individual scenes to make it an enjoyable enough movie. It’s just sloppy and suffers if you think about it too much

I don't entirely disagree. I'm not sorry I saw it, I don't hate it, and if it wasn't Star Wars it'd been some "dumb kinda fun space movie."

Also if it wasn't Star Wars most of the people defending it would be ripping it a new Prometheus style rear end in a top hat.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Social commentary is honestly not a difficult thing to insert into a film, so it's weird when people have to be like "ONLY A GENIUS COULD DO THIS" and not just a pretty decent sci-fi action film.

Like fuckin' Grown Ups 2 has social commentary.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
I just really, really would like them to get back to making 90-120 minute blockbusters. 2 hours needs to be the hard limit on these movies, so many of them have great individual scenes that you don't want to rewatch the movie for because the pacing is so terrible. TLJ should've been at least 30 minutes shorter, probably 40 minutes.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
unfortunately having "some cool scenes" or whatever doesnt make it a good movie. the script is incoherent and the characters suck and nobody cares about them. thats why it's bad, because, alas, it sucks.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

kidkissinger posted:

I’m really enjoying being called an alt-right fanboy for disliking this movie

The extreme left thinks if you don't like Admiral Pink Hair you're a sexist pig that hates women and should loving die already

The extreme right thinks Admiral Pink Hair was an extreme left conspiracy to cut Po's balls off

...I, I just think the character was terribly written and dumb as dog poo poo.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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Blazing Ownager posted:

Oh my God, the fists are made of ham


I don't entirely disagree. I'm not sorry I saw it, I don't hate it, and if it wasn't Star Wars it'd been some "dumb kinda fun space movie."

Also if it wasn't Star Wars most of the people defending it would be ripping it a new Prometheus style rear end in a top hat.

Prometheus is one of the best movies of a decade. It’s a fantastic film

Kevin Palpatine
Dec 20, 2017

Smythe posted:

questionable intentions from a man named Kevin Palpatine...

no really disney stop making star war

staahhp

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

kidkissinger posted:

I’m really enjoying being called an alt-right fanboy for disliking this movie

Shut up, Hux.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Can I just say I still wish the whole tracking thing was a traitor and not technobabble though. The whole they started going on about that I was like "This script writer really, really rather be working on Star Trek."

Gatts posted:

Prometheus is one of the best movies of a decade. It’s a fantastic film

Never has a movie made "TURN LEFT! TURN LEFT YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS! OR RIGHT! YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!" get yelled at a screen by audiences worldwide more

At least it wasn't Covenant.

Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Dec 28, 2017

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

Blazing Ownager posted:

Never has a movie made "TURN LEFT! TURN LEFT YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS! OR RIGHT! YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!" get yelled at a screen by audiences worldwide more

At least it wasn't Covenant.

One of the characters does turn and still gets smashed by the falling ship anyway. Or she would have if she wasn't supernaturally lucky.

Kevin Palpatine
Dec 20, 2017
actually I'm surprised that there aren't multiple posts on each page pointing out that hux is an incompetent orange-haired tyrant whose strings are being pulled by a powerful autocrat.

furthermore I can't tell if I'm impressed or disappointed

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
the laura dern character does everything wrong and is then lionized out of nowhere for no reason. theres some kind of insane redemption plot that only took place off the page and doesnt make any sense in the context of the movie. it could have made sense if she had a cool scene in a crumbling cruiser, enduring bombardment by the empire fleet in a burning CIC while the escape pods escaped, that would have owned and made sense and made her cool, but that didn't happen - instead some inane bullshit happened lol

Nielsen
Jun 12, 2013
Good read / review:

http://dresdencodak.tumblr.com/post/168899627676/rey-rose-and-revolution-the-last-jedi-review

Bye!

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Basebf555 posted:

One of the characters does turn and still gets smashed by the falling ship anyway. Or she would have if she wasn't supernaturally lucky.

Only because she waited until the last minute

Also her genius movie that let her out

think the villain was "do not run in a straight line"

Smythe posted:

the laura dern character does everything wrong and is then lionized out of nowhere for no reason. theres some kind of insane redemption plot that only took place off the page and doesnt make any sense in the context of the movie. it could have made sense if she had a cool scene in a crumbling cruiser, enduring bombardment by the empire fleet in a burning CIC while the escape pods escaped, that would have owned and made sense and made her cool, but that didn't happen - instead some inane bullshit happened lol

Yeah instead she looks like rear end in a top hat for not doing what she did immediately and in the first place.

Like if she revealed the plan was to get them on shuttles then make a suicide attack, I'd been like "Oh, OK, at least she has a real plan to maybe buy them a minute." But her plan was awful her execution was awful and her people skills were awful.

Yet she got a way, way cooler death than any of the returning cast or main characters. Given what happened with Carry Fisher it's tragic she wasn't given that ending, it'd been one epic send off shot.

ED: Random admiral who screws everything up and blows it - given the best death in the franchise. Perhaps the most central character to the franchise outside of Vader - tuckers himself out and has a heart attack. :lol:

Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Dec 28, 2017

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

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Kevin Palpatine posted:

actually I'm surprised that there aren't multiple posts on each page pointing out that hux is an incompetent orange-haired tyrant whose strings are being pulled by a powerful autocrat.

furthermore I can't tell if I'm impressed or disappointed

He was actually competent I think in TFA and a joke in TLJ.

sponges
Sep 15, 2011

Smythe posted:

unfortunately having "some cool scenes" or whatever doesnt make it a good movie. the script is incoherent and the characters suck and nobody cares about them. thats why it's bad, because, alas, it sucks.

People over use ‘incoherent’

I care about these characters. I care so hard.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

sponges posted:

People over use ‘incoherent’

I care about these characters. I care so hard.

I don't see how this is possible

sponges
Sep 15, 2011

Smythe posted:

I don't see how this is possible

I would take a blaster bolt for Rey and Poe

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

Blazing Ownager posted:

The extreme left thinks if you don't like Admiral Pink Hair you're a sexist pig that hates women and should loving die already

The extreme right thinks Admiral Pink Hair was an extreme left conspiracy to cut Po's balls off

...I, I just think the character was terribly written and dumb as dog poo poo.

Laura Dern is a decent actor.

Holdo is a terrible character.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

sponges posted:

People over use ‘incoherent’

I care about these characters. I care so hard.

To be entirely honest I know very little about most of these characters. Po might be the most fleshed out of the entire new cast. Only Kylo is genuinely fascinating. He's unique enough that I wish honestly we just spent more time with him: Unlike Vader it wouldn't ruin his mystique because that's not what makes him interesting, at all. It seems like there's an interesting character story there.

kidkissinger posted:

Laura Dern is a decent actor.

Holdo is a terrible character.

Oh no argument from me there.

I went into things with optimism thinking initially she might be carrying the torch for Leia because of Fisher's passing.

..in the end I was never more glad a character died with complete finality because I couldn't take her poo poo for another film.

Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Dec 28, 2017

sponges
Sep 15, 2011

Blazing Ownager posted:

To be entirely honest I know very little about most of these characters. Po might be the most fleshed out of the entire new cast. Only Kylo is genuinely fascinating.

They’re sorta held aloft by decent performances from the cast. I’m probably just comparing them to the prequel characters though.

I do like Kylo Ren

Kevin Palpatine
Dec 20, 2017
my favourite character is the alien with the blue titty milk

that alien will save the galaxy with vitamin d

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

sponges posted:

They’re sorta held aloft by decent performances from the cast. I’m probably just comparing them to the prequel characters though.

I do like Kylo Ren

Oh I really like the cast, too. I've got zero ill will against any of them.

I think some of the dumb mistakes with the casino poo poo was separating Finn and Rei for the entire film. I feel like 2 movies in and our main cast has barely spent any real time with each other and it's hurting the movie.

I know people like to jump on and say fanfic with this poo poo but no, I just want to see the characters that are central to the movie actually interacting. Has Rei even said more than like 3 words to Po yet?!

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
I actually like that they're not feeling forced to keep all the characters together in one place so they can interact with each other. Finn took a backseat in this film, but maybe the story will go in a direction for the next one where he'll be much more central. It will probably help to keep things a little fresher if we're really gonna get a new numbered episode every two years.

Wild Horses
Oct 31, 2012

There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.
Dreadnoughts are now being beat by fighters + bombers, so it's clear the next movie will see the new empire deploy a massive carrier fleet a la Imperial Japan in ww2.
We're ww2 now boys!

Sinding Johansson
Dec 1, 2006
STARVED FOR ATTENTION

good.....to throw in the trash! This review gets everything wrong. The resistance are not anti-capitalist revolutionaries. They're so poorly defined that you can project a whole lot of things onto them. But not that.

Sinding Johansson fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Dec 28, 2017

fivegears4reverse
Apr 4, 2007

by R. Guyovich

kidkissinger posted:

I’m really enjoying being called an alt-right fanboy for disliking this movie

There's a significant number of goons who don't actually care about star wars or this movie, but rather care if it offends or upsets either the alt-right or a group of fans they've paid real money to mock on these dead comedy forums.

That's why you have some people agonizing over how much money the movie has made as opposed to actually trying to discuss it. These people are basically the Kylo Ren of star wars discussion.

Waffles Inc.
Jan 20, 2005


This review sure is a...plot summary of a few of the Star War films

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!

Wild Horses posted:

Dreadnoughts are now being beat by fighters + bombers, so it's clear the next movie will see the new empire deploy a massive carrier fleet a la Imperial Japan in ww2.
We're ww2 now boys!

The heroes could just ram it again though, Like one ram took out the entire Fleet last time, it makes no sense for either side to deploy anything bigger than the Falcon at this point.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Blazing Ownager posted:

Why? Her plan was the poo poo on a homeless man's rear end.

"So. I'm going to sit here, and let ship after ship blow up in our fleet rather than have them suicide attack or anything. Each one of these manned ships needs to have someone piloting it... because an unpiloted ship running out of gas, that'd be just silly!

Next, after I let the Imperials blow up all of our entire fleet, I'll ground our entire remaining fleet of FTL capable ships, even though small ships seem to be able to come and go all day with nobody chasing them.

Then, I'll stick EVERY member of the resistance on tiny little shuttles and hope they're 'cloaked' despite that never being a thing that's ever existed or worked in Star Wars.

And when it doesn't work, I will wait until all but like 10 people are blown the gently caress up to actually do anything about it."

General Patton of space, that one

you forgot that since there's only one planet anywhere nearby, if the empire scanned the wreckage and noticed there were no bodies, or if they heard the phone call for help, or if anyone informed them of the phone call, or a million other options, the rebels would still be sitting ducks

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

fivegears4reverse posted:

There's a significant number of goons who don't actually care about star wars or this movie, but rather care if it offends or upsets either the alt-right or a group of fans they've paid real money to mock on these dead comedy forums.

That's why you have some people agonizing over how much money the movie has made as opposed to actually trying to discuss it. These people are basically the Kylo Ren of star wars discussion.

people agonize about every drat thing making or not making enough money and I know they can't all own stock in movies and video games so it always baffles me

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

galagazombie posted:

The heroes could just ram it again though, Like one ram took out the entire Fleet last time, it makes no sense for either side to deploy anything bigger than the Falcon at this point.

I got an idea.......big missiles that jump to lightspeed while pointed at enemy ships.

Give me all the money.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Brother Entropy posted:

people agonize about every drat thing making or not making enough money and I know they can't all own stock in movies and video games so it always baffles me

Personally, I'm concerned that if the earnings don't meet expectations, it means Disney's less likely to take any risks in future Star Wars films, so I think it's a valid concern related to the quality of upcoming films.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

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PT6A posted:

Personally, I'm concerned that if the earnings don't meet expectations, it means Disney's less likely to take any risks in future Star Wars films, so I think it's a valid concern related to the quality of upcoming films.

As we are seeing that’s what the fans want. Safe, easily digestible, samey stuff that matches their expectations.

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