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I'd also add "caustic shrike * into view" to the force-more, in retrospect. Think I did on mine.
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Gooncrawl progress update:
Downside: No paperdoll support for felid equipment, and the current paperdoll helmets don't work too well for octopodes. I'm not good at art/tiles so fixing that is going to be on the back burner. However, if some got made by a generous goon tile maker I'll look into how to add them. Also throwing out the request for a replacement title logo while I'm at it.
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Floodkiller posted:Gooncrawl progress update: Thank you for working on this.
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Honestly I don't trust floodkiller, he's said multiple times he approves of the current course of Crawl development and defends the idiot devs constantly in here, pretty sure this is all an attempt to shut up criticism and/or make us look like fools. Everyone put him on ignore
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I don't need Floodkiller's help to make myself look like a fool. 
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Ramc posted:Is there a link to goon crawl yet? It isn't being distributed yet. I'm hoping that once it's complete we'll be able to convince CBRO to have it as an experimental branch to play online
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Ramc posted:Is there a link to goon crawl yet? If you know how to use Git and want to grab the work in progress: https://github.com/Floodkiller/crawl/tree/gooncrawl Otherwise, I'll wait until I finish most/all of the features on the design doc and finalize a v1.0 before contacting johnstein (CBRO) and/or other server ops to ask if it can get hosted.
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Repeating my legitimate request to please add yourself as a unique.
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PMush Perfect posted:Repeating my legitimate request to please add yourself as a unique. At least give yourself a randart.
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PMush Perfect posted:Repeating my legitimate request to please add yourself as a unique. Added it to the FR list to get voted on at a future point, since I don't really have a design on hand even if everyone wants it. If you and the rest of the thread do want me to add something personal (aside from Malmutate changes), I do have a different stupid unique that I can throw in. I'll even keep it secret (unless you read the commit log) if you want.
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Fedhas can spawn pleasing fungus and has the sunlight ability which evaporates water... or kills floods
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I'm glad this thread told me to take freezing cloud over ozo's refrigeration because I just cleared Orc:2 without taking damage Foodlessness in Hellcrawl rules I don't really understand how branches work in Hellcrawl, can someone give me the rundown of what the midgame path usually is?
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cheetah7071 posted:I'm glad this thread told me to take freezing cloud over ozo's refrigeration because I just cleared Orc:2 without taking damage The full path is: Dungeon, orc, one of the four lair branches, vault, slime, depths (elf as a 1 floor timed sub branch on Depths1), pan (4 main boss floors and holy), zot, vestibule, one full random branch of hell There are shortcuts to skip one or two jumps ahead in the route (vaults straight to depths or depths straight to zot being the usually taken ones)
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gowb posted:Honestly I don't trust floodkiller, he's said multiple times he approves of the current course of Crawl development and defends the idiot devs constantly in here, pretty sure this is all an attempt to shut up criticism and/or make us look like fools. Everyone put him on ignore
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Archenteron posted:The full path is: In a "normal" game would you usually take Pan?
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cheetah7071 posted:In a "normal" game would you usually take Pan? Can you survive two (glaciate/tornado/firestorm) to the face from a panlord? Pan is basically Extended for Hellcrawl, and Slime is Slime. Heck, there's no rune locks so you could skip anything you want to Archenteron fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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Archenteron posted:Can you survive two (glaciate/tornado/firestorm) to the face from a panlord? I have no idea but probably not. I guess I'll go straight to zot then. I don't really have much to gain from more experience anyways besides maybe getting a second level 9 spell active which seems like overkill
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cheetah7071 posted:I have no idea but probably not. I guess I'll go straight to zot then. I don't really have much to gain from more experience anyways besides maybe getting a second level 9 spell active which seems like overkill Every time I have gone to Pan I have been nuked by the Lords, except for the time I came in with an OpTm^Chei in statform with three + of each resistance because 8ringslol so I just Shatter-Tornado-Slapslapslapped each one to death
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Holy crepe bjorjor's clutch plus lrd is just hilarious lmao Like yeah it's a ten mana combo but with a booster and 13 in earth and necro I'm blowing up herds of death yaks in a single cast woot Solid damage on its own too Quote this when vile clutch is removed hahaha
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Gooncrawl progress update:
It may be a couple days before the next update, depending on driving fatigue.
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Whoops splattered that guy in the desolation of salt...never going there again Ok devs I know you're reading this you can remove vile clutch now. You know you want to
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Desolation of Salt is my favorite example of level design in Crawl. It's incredibly thematic and has a lot of cool, very dangerous mechanics that don't feel bullshit if you play slowly and carefully. The loot is usually really good, too, so it's worth the effort to clear. ----- How do people feel about the summon kill xp penalty? I know summoning is more or less without contest considered the strongest school of magic even with the penalty, but the penalty is frustrating design (it feels unfairly punishing, even if it's "balanced"), not communicated to the player at all and its impact is extremely vague. I've argued here for the penalty before, and I respect the reasons to keep it, but I also wonder if we should axe it. Hellcrawl axed it, though I don't think that should be a guide for Gooncrawl one way or the other.
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Heithinn Grasida posted:Desolation of Salt is my favorite example of level design in Crawl. It's incredibly thematic and has a lot of cool, very dangerous mechanics that don't feel bullshit if you play slowly and carefully. The loot is usually really good, too, so it's worth the effort to clear. Yeah it was cool as heck for sure. Even with lrd there were just too many enemies and it was too easy to find me, tho I tried to hide in clouds as much as possible. Used up a ton of consumables trying to clear it and all for nothing since one of the drat chimera golems killed me. Barbs are a pain
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Coming down the stairs: Hellcrawl does not gently caress around I actually survived zot 5, barely, and survived in hell for a while despite entering confused with no MP and low HP, until a hellion wandered into LOS and ended me Hellcrawl rules
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IronicDongz posted:I never even notice the XP penalty on summons. I don't know how I would, to be honest. I find it very noticeable. If you're only using summons as support on a hybrid it isn't so obvious, but if you're using summoning as your primary kill dudes throughout the game then the penalty is huge! But that doesn't matter. You could make an argument for or against the penalty either way you feel about how impactful it is. You could either say "who cares, summoning is already busted, it doesn't need a buff, and the penalty isn't noticeable anyway", or you could say "a weird penalty that can't be communicated clearly and the impact of which is almost impossible to evaluate is worth removing, in spite of the balance issues that might cause." I'm on the side of removal now, but I've been on the other side in the past and I can respect the arguments either way.
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The summoning XP penalty is insanely stupid and needs to be deleted pronto. Summoning isn't actually better than conjurations or long blades or whatever and there's no reason it should effectively cost more XP to use.
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I think summoning is significantly better than those things if you're patient, but I also think the XP penalty ought to be removed for clarity purposes. Balance can be looked at later.
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Summoning is superior to long blades or conjuration by it's fundamental mechanics irrespective of the specifics of any of the spells because it provides defense, offense and utility simultaneously. I think that's the fundamental motivation behind the penalty and I don't think it's completely misguided. But the penalty is both frustrating and extremely confusing. For example, what exactly incurs the penalty? Spectral weapons and Hep ancestors are special cased not to, but how would you know that? And what about spells like fulminant prism and conjure ball lightning. Those "summon" things, but do they incur the penalty? And what if you inner flame your minion. Does it exploding and killing everything incur the penalty? If it does, should it? There has to be a better way to keep summoning in check.
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A long time ago, pure summoning might have been overly strong, but there's been a variety of things to bring it back down, and while all of them are iiritating and illogical, it's when combined it gets really really bad. From memory: 50% xp; hard cap on each summon, customized per spell; summons won't attack things that either you OR they cannot see, or even acknowledge their existence or defend themselves (this is huge, it's so annoying!); undead summons are now on timers; and do some summons go poof when they leave LOS? That last one I might be misremembering. It's probably just Clouds, but the same mentality. Basically, before you could play a Mummy Summoner, and just have a cloud of summons always trickling around a corner to kill things out of sight. But this would involve playing a MuSu. As the Nethack dev team put it when addressing their own tedious optimal play problems: "The DevTeam has arranged an automatic and savage punishment for pudding farming. It's called pudding farming."
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There was a recent patch on mainline Crawl to randomize food tiles for rations (which are currently the only permafood type). Since this is related to the "re-implement pizza" feature on the Gooncrawl v1.0 design doc and I won't have time for development today anyway, I figured out a couple ways to fulfill this and set up a runoff poll here: https://goo.gl/forms/GMe31x8ZjvOegBRp2 This will be a short poll (I will likely close this either tomorrow morning or afternoon depending on when I get around to it), so please get your votes in if you care about pizza! I'm also going to look into moving most of the current wiki information into the repository to free up the wiki permissions to everyone for design brainstorming and discussion.
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My response to the pizza poll: Off hand suggestion: Axe the regeneration spell and replace it with pizza as a common consumable that drops rarely from intelligent monsters. If you eat the fabled Pandemonium Pizza, you get extra strong regen. Demons in Pan have a higher chance of carrying Pandemonium Pizza. Or, more realistically, pizza has a "from pan" flag, and if it has that flag, it's more likely to be pandemonium pizza. One problem with the polling system is that if someone has an interesting suggestion they don't post in the thread, that suggestion can't be voted on. I'm not saying my suggestion is the one true solution to the pizza problem, but I think it's an interesting offhand idea and there are probably some other good ideas as well that can't be fairly considered if everyone has to vote before they can read them. Of course, we could always revise pizza later, but then we're playing feature ping-pong.
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Considering people need to have an account here and a post in this thread for their votes in the poll to count that's a problem that can be solved easily. 
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Heithinn Grasida posted:My response to the pizza poll: I do recognize the issue with polls in that regard (especially short term ones), but throwing in a write-in vote+comments with the encouragement to communicate your vote in the thread if you want to see it happen is the best solution I have to a runoff poll for votes demanding details past "Do this thing". Editing after voting is still enabled (and I just go through and grab the latest vote if someone accidentally votes twice). I figured pizza is a small enough feature to test how feasible this is before getting into more complex FRs like Pakellas re-implementation, but I can always pull it out of the immediate implementation section of the design doc if there's too much kickback about it. If it needs to get more expansive than just polling and the planned wiki discussions, I'd likely need someone else to handle the opinion/FR/design gathering aspect for me so I can focus on coding stuff. However, I don't want to ask for that until an initial release is out (thus why I also haven't started another FR poll yet). At the very least, working on this has given me an appreciation for anyone whose job involves canvassing and polling 
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Floodkiller posted:I do recognize the issue with polls in that regard (especially short term ones), but throwing in a write-in vote+comments with the encouragement to communicate your vote in the thread if you want to see it happen is the best solution I have to a runoff poll for votes demanding details past "Do this thing". Editing after voting is still enabled (and I just go through and grab the latest vote if someone accidentally votes twice). I figured pizza is a small enough feature to test how feasible this is before getting into more complex FRs like Pakellas re-implementation, but I can always pull it out of the immediate implementation section of the design doc if there's too much kickback about it. That makes sense. At this stage there doesn't need to be a more complex solution. It also encourages people to . More discussion in the thread is great.----- Completely separate topic: I wrote a spell. The working name is "blade of disaster" - conjuration/charms 6. The spell is a very short term buff: it currently lasts 3 turns. On every melee hit, you summon a fulminant-prism-like object. After the buff runs out, the prisms' timer starts and they all explode in a 5 tile explosion after 2 turns, just like real fulminant prisms. Each disaster prism does way less damage than a fulminant prism. The damage is mostly based on your weapon's base damage, to keep high investment in weapon skill valuable for characters using this spell. The spell is still a work in progress and has some issues to iron out (e.g. you shouldn't be able to proc a prism by attacking a prism). When I finish it, I'll try to figure out how to submit a pull request to gooncrawl on git if people are interested. Here is my rationale for creating the spell. I'm not sure casting is actually weaker than heavy armor melee in the current state of the game, but a lot of people feel it is. Hybrids, meaning characters that train weapons and casting about equally, not minotaurs that learn blink after two runes, are certainly weaker than they've ever been. Part of the reason for that is the sorry state of the charms school. My primary intention in designing this spell was to make a fun charms spell with a strong tactical element that would make blaster / melee hybrids more powerful and fun. Other design considerations: -Can't be an always-on spell. It has to be short duration and have the potential to gently caress you up badly if you use it at the wrong time. -Feels strong and impactful. It should be immediately obvious that you're tearing up the dungeon with it, if at risk to your own safety. -Fireworks. Needs to be flashy. A lot of details of the spell are open to revision, for example, exactly where the prisms spawn, the damage of each prism, whether there should be a cap on the number of prisms and probably a bunch of things I haven't thought of. Everyone let me know if you have any suggestions or ideas about whether this is a good or bad idea.
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Pizzas as powerful single-use buffs and restoratives would be loving amazing not gonna lie. Comedy option: Nemelex is now god of pizza. Which slice will you bite into first? Write-in option: Butchering things automatically produces pizza. Don't let it get cold though!
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