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My favorite joke in literature is Leto II musing to Moneo about putting a tiny plastic dong on himself somewhere and seeing what would happen when someone notices.
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RBA Starblade posted:My favorite joke in literature is Leto II musing to Moneo about putting a tiny plastic dong on himself somewhere and seeing what would happen when someone notices. I don't remember this in the original novel nor really got any further than that but please post an excerpt 
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Dec 28, 2017 15:42
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SniperWoreConverse posted:I mean, it is? A good amount at least. The guy who wrote Iron Dream wrote it as a critique of how in sf fascism is shown as good and celebrated, and most people don't recognize because the protagonist isn't literally hitler Yeah the great thing about Dune and its ultimate thesis is that no matter how much of a good guy you might be, being at the head of an expansive civilization turns you into a monster. And yes i'd like one of those gang tats. the witches one is hysterical.
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Dec 28, 2017 15:55
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Milo and POTUS posted:I don't remember this in the original novel nor really got any further than that but please post an excerpt I have no idea where it is in God Emperor but it's pretty much just Leto loving with Moneo.
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Dec 28, 2017 15:56
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Shageletic posted:Yeah the great thing about Dune and its ultimate thesis is that no matter how much of a good guy you might be, being at the head of an expansive civilization turns you into a monster. Yeah it's a pretty clever twist on the standard cheesy Chosen One plot from the first book. Also how it sort of sucks being that high up the totem pole since it just make Paul a target for all the various disgruntled factions.
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Dec 28, 2017 15:59
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SniperWoreConverse posted:I mean, it is? A good amount at least. The guy who wrote Iron Dream wrote it as a critique of how in sf fascism is shown as good and celebrated, and most people don't recognize because the protagonist isn't literally hitler I'd actually be more prone to agree with you if you said there was a bias toward insane libertarianism.
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Dec 28, 2017 16:09
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Milo and POTUS posted:I don't remember this in the original novel nor really got any further than that but please post an excerpt quote:Malky took a moment to recover from pain, then: "Tell me, old worm, is there a monster penis hidden in that monster body of yours? What a shock for the gentle Hwi!"
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Dec 28, 2017 16:22
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:Malky took a moment to recover from pain, then: "Tell me, old worm, is there a magnum dong hidden in that monster condom of yours? What a shock for the gentle Hwi!"
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Dec 28, 2017 16:36
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Malcolm XML posted:Tell me about your posting, Usul
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Dec 28, 2017 16:43
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*Spits on thread*
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Dec 28, 2017 17:46
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JohnnySavs posted:How do they get the drop on Leto II enough to fry one of his arms with a lasgun again? Wasn't he pretty much fully prescient? I can't remember if it was this guy but I seem to recall there were people born in "no-rooms" (chambers with some kind of technology that breaks prescience) who were then more or less invisible to even Leto II's prescience.
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Dec 28, 2017 17:54
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I can't remember if it was this guy but I seem to recall there were people born in "no-rooms" (chambers with some kind of technology that breaks prescience) who were then more or less invisible to even Leto II's prescience. The whole gist of the God emperor breeding program was to make humans immune to prescience and once that happens he lets himself get killed
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Dec 28, 2017 18:37
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It's been years since I read the original Dune novels, so I might be forgetting some details, but something I've been wondering. We know the goal of the Bene Gesserit breeding program was to create the Kwizats Hadderach (I have no idea if that's the right spelling), but why was that important? I mean, if we ignore all the Brian Herbert stuff, why did the witches want to create a superbeing? As an aside, I really liked that the song for area five in Rez is called Fear Is The Mind Killer.
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Dec 28, 2017 19:21
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Its all in a run to improve mankind and also control a being with such powers to further their own ends.
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Dec 28, 2017 19:23
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Also he has a mega worm boner for someone
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Dec 28, 2017 19:48
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Malcolm XML posted:Also he has a mega worm boner for someone Leto II, the god-emperor, most definitely fucks.
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Shaddak posted:It's been years since I read the original Dune novels, so I might be forgetting some details, but something I've been wondering. We know the goal of the Bene Gesserit breeding program was to create the Kwizats Hadderach (I have no idea if that's the right spelling), but why was that important? I mean, if we ignore all the Brian Herbert stuff, why did the witches want to create a superbeing? In Herbert's universe, there was a time when people had a kind of group consciousness. It wasn't really telepathy, but a really intense kind of empathy. Men lost the ability in the ancient times (the BG theorize that it was an impediment to their ability to fight and sire children) and so the few men who still had the ability teamed up with the female-led religious caste and cobbled up a primitive mythology which ended up being the BG - and all the other religions of the earth, which they heavily influenced. Reverend Mothers, ever since, have had access to all their mothers' and grandmothers' memories and first-hand accounts of lots of history - but that's only half. They can't see the male side of the memory, because they are instinctively frightened by it. The Kwizatz Haderach is the long-promised savior who will be able to see the other side. Since he would be a man made by their order, they figure he'll at least join them if they can't dominate him. With him on their side, they will at last have a total picture of human history - and so amplify prescience to give them total power over galactic affairs. Basically, the superbeing is supposed to be a puppet-god. That is my loose interpretation from reading a lot of Dune. Zeniel posted:*Spits on thread* *Nods, spits on your post*
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Dec 28, 2017 20:14
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Spice rules everything around me CHOAM Get the money Wheels within wheels within wheels ya'll
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Dec 28, 2017 20:19
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phasmid posted:Okay, gonna be a goon for a moment. I'm not sure exactly how much of this is canon, but some of it is from the books and some is from the Dune Encyclopedia. Seeing it written out like that makes it sound remarkably similar to the plot of Zardoz.
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Dec 28, 2017 20:20
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moller posted:Seeing it written out like that makes it sound remarkably similar to the plot of Zardoz.
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phasmid posted:I still haven't seen that movie. I hear it's...interesting? The Spice is good, the Penis is evil.  
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Dec 28, 2017 20:34
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Have Blue posted:Spice rules everything around me grew up on the shai side the liet kynes side
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Dec 28, 2017 20:36
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"Perhaps I should have something made, a gross protuberance to shock them."
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Dec 28, 2017 20:51
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Oh your gonna marry? *everyone looks for a dick*
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Dec 28, 2017 20:54
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The Bloop posted:I must not troll. I love this. I have written like 5 parody versions of the Litany. Thrilled to find out so many other megafans in GBS, i am one for sure. I asked in PYF if there had ever been any Dune themed big Photoshop/etc threads and no one posted any, just the Matrix. Hmmmm... Link any if there were, please.
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Dec 28, 2017 21:20
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Spinster posted:
I did make a NUDE book cover for a Photoshop thread once but it wasn't a DUNE thread or anything.
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Dec 28, 2017 21:26
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The Bloop posted:I did make a NUDE book cover for a Photoshop thread once but it wasn't a DUNE thread or anything. Nice! I've had that jpeg on my PC for like a decade. Also A Fetid Tetherball.
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Dec 28, 2017 21:28
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Zeniel posted:*Spits on thread* still suit picks it up "Thanks friend!"
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Fuuuuuuck me this is good
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Tighclops posted:Fuuuuuuck me this is good Yeah I can’t decide whether I want to get that, the original, or THE POSTS MUST FLOW animated gif for my avatar
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Dec 28, 2017 23:09
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The Bloop posted:A "good amount" I can't really argue with I guess. I certainly won't claim to have read most sci-fi or even most of the Important Classics probably, but in my sample it's not even a noticable percentage where facists are the protagonists. It's usually plucky underdogs vs The Man. Fascists love to write military sci-fi. Insane libertarians are a single step removed from fascists and are more than happy to step over the line in their writing.
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Ixians got a raw deal
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Yueh lied Leto died
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Improbable Lobster posted:Fascists love to write military sci-fi. Insane libertarians are a single step removed from fascists and are more than happy to step over the line in their writing. No doubt all true but I was just challenging the claim that most sci fi is fascist. Even if every fascist writer wrote sci fi that wouldn't imply most sci fi is fascist. Related: I loving love Ender's Game but OSC's off the deep end recent stuff like Liberal Coup Civil War stopped by Real Americans is not really the norm on the shelf in my experience (and is only sci fi in a tangential way in any case)
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The Bloop posted:No doubt all true but I was just challenging the claim that most sci fi is fascist. Even if every fascist writer wrote sci fi that wouldn't imply most sci fi is fascist. I haven't read The Iron Dream myself, but a quick glance at Wikipedia shows that it was written in 1972, and there's plenty of examples in the sci-fi preceding it that veered (if not outright dived straight into) fascist-y directions. Starship Troopers is a pretty well known example, as well as a lot of the old square-jawed hero-scientist-explorer stuff which usually had the incredibly whitebread protagonist colonizing the crap out of any alien unlucky enough to get in their way. No one's saying that sci-fi is a purely fascist genre or anything, just that it does have some areas that tend to lean more that way - especially the Military SF stuff as opposed to stories speculating about how technology changes society and stuff like that.
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Dec 29, 2017 01:01
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phasmid posted:I still haven't seen that movie. I hear it's...interesting? Zardoz is the pinnacle of Sean Connery’s acting career, definitely. ... He actually did that movie after the bond movies, for some insane reason. A friend of mine spent a while editing Sean Connery’s Wikipedia page to the effect of how amazing and epic zardoz was and how it defined Connery, until he was banned from posting there.
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Dec 29, 2017 01:04
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Starship Troopers cancels itself out since the movie is so hilariously anti-fascist 
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Dec 29, 2017 01:18
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Watching the deLaurentis Dune movie right now because that's where I want to go with my GOONTOONS. Thanks for this thread.
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Jiro Kage posted:Zardoz is the pinnacle of Sean Connery’s acting career, definitely. ... He actually did that movie after the bond movies, for some insane reason. He supposedly did Zardoz because it was literally the only script his agent brought him that wasn't just some knock off Bond spy movie.
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