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boner confessor posted:maybe let's not cream ourselves over science as the savior of all things when science is also what lies at the root of our problems Basically we're going to gently caress up the Earth until we're almost dead then have a massive public works project to try to pull us back from the brink, and I expect giving its success the same odds as a coin landing on heads would be really generous but who knows. And even in the best case the Earth's ecosystem will be a shadow of what it was, with like 99% of species extinct by our actions. And even in our darkest hour, when things seem bleakest, we're still going to have people who scream to the heavens that it's all the fault of brown people and the gays. 
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theflyingorc posted:Shut up Hey I come here to laugh at brokebrained Trumpstaffel frantically trying to spin every episode of cheeto benito making GBS threads his pants into a genius infinite-Dimensional chessmove by their GOD EMPORER But if equally brokebrained hillbots are gonna be in here just as frantically Dear Leadering the lies and fuckups and crimes of their own tribal leader into brilliant moves incomprehensible to mere mortals that's just as funny and I'm gonna laugh at their asses too 
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RandomBlue posted:Look how reliant humanity is on a very small group of people with an insane leader not ordering a nuclear attack he so obviously wants an excuse to order. As long as we're dependant on a single planet, with the power to make that planet virtually unlivable for humanity, we're extremely vulnerable as a species. If the alternative is explaining to my grandchildren that we blew up the earth because the juche got loose, I will torch every single shuttle off this rock.
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The first thing that will happen after breathable water and clean air become luxuries, is old people will call young people entitled little shits for thinking they should have them for free.
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Seeof you guys are just total bummers about everything all the time.
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Eox posted:If the alternative is explaining to my grandchildren that we blew up the earth because the juche got loose, I will torch every single shuttle off this rock. Replace nuclear war with any number of low probability extinction level events and being tied to a single planet is a death sentence for any species. Large asteroid impact, super volcanos, long ice age, yeti uprising, etc...
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For the rest of all our lives, provided we don't live long enough to witness the total collapse of human civilization, there is going to exist Twitter or something like it, and there is going to be someone like DJT whose posts you will be basically forced to read.
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Bottom Liner posted:privatized the space industry with fiscally sustainable systems that make future space travel possible (imagine where air travel would be if planes were not reusable, same concept) Umm no it doesn't 'make a big goddamn dent in the climate change fight'. We would need to go full on nuclear for that to happen. You'd still need airplanes and poo poo to convert to electric which I don't see happening for a very long time. For most large engines I'd still say hydrogen is the way to go for the immediate future. You can 'convert' older diesel/jet fuel/kerosene/gas engines and have no carbon emissions. But you still run into the same problem of how do you create this 'clean' fuel without causing carbon emissions. Basically, im convinced that our only hope is fusion.
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pkay posted:Umm no it doesn't 'make a big goddamn dent in the climate change fight'. We would need to go full on nuclear for that to happen. You'd still need airplanes and poo poo to convert to electric which I don't see happening for a very long time. For most large engines I'd still say hydrogen is the way to go for the immediate future. You can 'convert' older diesel/jet fuel/kerosene/gas engines and have no carbon emissions. But you still run into the same problem of how do you create this 'clean' fuel without causing carbon emissions. Basically, im convinced that our only hope is fusion. Fission not enough?
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RandomBlue posted:Look how reliant humanity is on a very small group of people with an insane leader not ordering a nuclear attack he so obviously wants an excuse to order. As long as we're dependant on a single planet, with the power to make that planet virtually unlivable for humanity, we're extremely vulnerable as a species.
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Rinkles posted:Fission not enough? I mean it is if you don't give a poo poo about radioactive waste products. I guess launching them into space isn't THAT bad of an idea. Also mining radioactive elements and whatnot is somewhat of a concern. Deuterium and tritium are extremely plentiful however. I guess with fusion you gotta worry about 'what do we do with this equipment that has been bombarded with free neutrons for 20 years'. But thats a hell of a lot better than 'what do we do with these barrels of spent nuclear waste products'.
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OneEightHundred posted:Problem with all of this interplanetary stuff is that you could just simultaneously detonate every known nuke on Earth right now, and in the aftermath of that, this planet would still be more inhabitable than Mars. More inhabitable by cockroaches, sure.
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enraged_camel posted:More inhabitable by cockroaches, sure. I'm not sure those cockroaches are gonna fare too well on mars.
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Eox posted:I'm not sure those cockroaches are gonna fare too well on mars. Not on. Under. That’s basically the plan for human colonization.
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enraged_camel posted:More inhabitable by cockroaches, sure. Because cosmic radiation is less ionizing than radiation from nukes? What?
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enraged_camel posted:Not on. Under. I thought they were eventually going to try to make a magnetic shield for Mars.
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Kilroy posted:The first thing that will happen after breathable water and clean air become luxuries, is old people will call young people entitled little shits for thinking they should have them for free. 
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I would very much prefer that humanity is annihilated all in one go rather than clinging to life in airtight caves that are further away from home than anyone has ever been. e: existential anguish is on topic Eox fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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boner confessor posted:it would own tho if musk spends billions of dollars to condemn a few dozen idiots to a gloomy, lonesome death on mars boner confessor posted:exploration is a great thing *spends a kajillion dollars building a space station roughly 250 miles from the earth's surface* Katt posted:I'm surprised people can even be optimistic about space travel. RandomBlue posted:Replace nuclear war with any number of low probability extinction level events and being tied to a single planet is a death sentence for any species. Eox posted:I would very much prefer that humanity is annihilated all in one go rather than clinging to life in airtight caves that are further away from home than anyone has ever been.
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enraged_camel posted:Not on. Under. They recently discovered a cavern on the Moon that could fit the city of Philadelphia entirely inside of it, which would provide ample shielding from *most* of what the sun and cosmos could dish out. Naturally we should endeavor to send Philadelphia to the moon as soon as possible. But the biggest problem with Mars is something we can't solve, because it would require more energy than anything we've ever been capable of generating in the past - giving Mars an earth-like magnetic field. That's not terraforming, that's *planetary surgery* on a deity's scale. If anything, the theory as to why we're here is that the big rear end rock that came along and smashed into us billions of years ago imparted enough energy to our hunk of rock to impart a spin on our inner core - and gave us the moon. So if you can figure out a way to get a planet-sized rock to smash into Mars, then wait a few billion years, you might have a viable planet, but no amount of terraforming or ice melting is going to turn the Red Planet into a Blue one.
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Eox posted:I would very much prefer that humanity is annihilated all in one go rather than clinging to life in airtight caves that are further away from home than anyone has ever been. i'd rather have the latter than humanity huddling in a corner counting our remaining seeds and waiting for extinction out of collective guilt for global warming like some posters seem to want
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BIG HEADLINE posted:They recently discovered a cavern on the Moon that could fit the city of Philadelphia entirely inside of it, which would provide ample shielding from *most* of what the sun and cosmos could dish out. Naturally we should endeavor to send Philadelphia to the moon as soon as possible. The easier solution to this is to change people and not the planet. Just get tougher/hardier humans.
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Captain Invictus posted:You really suck and are a bummer in human form. You're welcome to rot on earth but I'd prefer if humanity got off this rock eventually. I mean, even in the absolute best and totally unrealistic case, you're effectively leaving billions to starve and die because building a colony on Mars sounded cooler than correcting the mistakes of the Industrial Revolution. It's quite ghoulish, really.
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BlackIronHeart posted:The easier solution to this is to change people and not the planet. Just get tougher/hardier humans. can life(humans) adapt to ionizing radiation?
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Here's my next Mars hot take: We're closer to creating the successor to humanity in the form of sentient robots with versatile power sourcing that can live on Mars than we are to anything that will allow oxygen-breathing Earth-evolved meat creatures to live on it long-term. Oh and before I forget, that Atlantic article about Roy Moore's "Last Gasp," there is no way that this lawsuit is actually his last gasp on this election. He is NEVER going to concede, the only question is what he's going to do in the process of refusing to ever give up. I'm betting some combination of going after the Alabama Secretary of State, going after the judge that dismissed his case, or showing up at Capitol Hill to attempt to get sworn in by Pence. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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BlackIronHeart posted:The easier solution to this is to change people and not the planet. Just get tougher/hardier humans.
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BIG HORNY COW posted:MEANWHILE Yeah. I live in Anchorage and it's been pretty mild here so far this winter (though admittedly, Anchorage has a far more moderate climate than the interior and north of the state because of its location). That said, there are communities up here that are literally falling into the sea due to coastal erosion stemming from the thawing of the permafrost. Other communities on the North Slope are dealing with houses sinking into the ground for the same reason. Oh and thunder storms are becoming increasingly common in the interior of the state; go back in time 30 or 40 years and that kind of weather was considered to be almost impossible in the North. Fearless fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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pkay posted:can life(humans) adapt to ionizing radiation?
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BlackIronHeart posted:The easier solution to this is to change people and not the planet. Just get tougher/hardier humans. Yea, CRISPR makes this a possibility. I think we eventually get a Hulk with this tech. Atleast a Steve loving Rogers out of it. Atleast.
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Fearless posted:Yeah. I live in Anchorage and it's been pretty mild here so far this winter (though admittedly, Anchorage has a far more moderate climate than the interior and north of the state because of its location). That said, there are communities up here that are literally falling into the sea due to coastal erosion stemming from the thawing of the permafrost. Other communities on the North Slope are dealing with houses sinking into the ground for the same reason.
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Kilroy posted:Meanwhile Trump won in Alaska by a margin of fifteen points. I'm not making excuses for the way people voted, rather pointing out that climate change is most definitely occurring in a very real way here and people continue to ignore it.
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Fearless posted:I'm not making excuses for the way people voted, rather pointing out that climate change is most definitely occurring in a very real way here and people continue to ignore it. If we had a Mars colony I'd give it a decade for some Vladimir Harkonnen lookalike to seize power blaming the degradation of the air scrubbers on the new arrivals from Earth. Sustainable development of the colony would be ignored in favor of Making Mars Great Again.
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Kilroy posted:Yep, while their homes and communities fall into the sea. i agree 100%, best poo poo i've read all day.
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boner confessor posted:privatized the space industry while accepting billions of dollars from the us government Would you prefer we didn't have Musk doing the things he's doing, or...?
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Kilroy posted:I mean, even in the absolute best and totally unrealistic case, you're effectively leaving billions to starve and die because building a colony on Mars sounded cooler than correcting the mistakes of the Industrial Revolution. It's quite ghoulish, really.
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Hobo Erotica posted:Would you prefer we didn't have Musk doing the things he's doing, or...? Ignore him. What do you do with those hybrids when the battery goes bad? Keep puttin around in a 3 banger with tons of extra weight? Atleast Musk is making an attempting to build up the infrastructure to sustain fully electric cars. He also made electric cars that people actually want to buy. What carbro wants a Prius or an Insight? Only the hypermiler guys. Talk to any carbro today about a new Tesla and they all love them because they are fast as poo poo. Make battery swapping seemless and everyone will want one.
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Captain Invictus posted:oh get hosed, you baiting idiot. working on space tech would no doubt help here on earth as it has since the start of the space program, and making mars/space colonies wouldn't mean abandoning earth. Yeah we need to fix poo poo here but that doesn't mean they can't also work on improving space exploration and tech.
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