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Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

The X-files was all about dealing with the aftermath of the cold war and talking about all the awful stuff the US did during its height through the lens of alien conspiracies from that time. A lot of the stuff, like secret human experimentation, mind-control, cover-ups, assassinations, etc., are all direct allegories to actual known US government programs from the 50s-70s. It was all stuff people knew was happening and spread through these half-truths even before the real proof came out slowly as it was declassified, in various accidental document leaks, etc.

A modern x-files would be about dealing with what happens after you win the war. It would have to deal with the half-truths today that we know are somehow true but aren't allowed to fully admit yet without being accused of conspiracy. Namely things like class warfare, total media control, cultural engineering, and the continued growth in power of the security state and its fragmentation into many privatized entities, etc. Which, if you'll notice, were all themes in the original X-files anyway.

The ending of the original x-files series where the aliens are going to come destroy earth soon would have been a decent segue to this. Just say that the aliens won and took over earth in secret, but now they have no idea what to do now that they've won, and neither does Mulder.


Hell, what would be really cool would be to explore through allegory the heinous poo poo the US got up to in the 90s after the fall of the Soviets. The poo poo that went down with the US and Yeltsin for instance was just insane and is rarely if ever discussed. But it's also directly relevant to today.

Reality control through media control. Make that into the new thing.

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out."


UFOs are old hat now. The new hotness (i.e. hovering on the edge of going totally mainstream) is eldritch horrors. X-Files should do that instead. Tie in the reality isn't real anymore stuff.

I wonder if anyone's written a good piece on the various types of conspiracy/supernatural theories and fads and how they correlate to current events and zeitgeist.

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Octy
Apr 1, 2010

mastershakeman posted:

Last year I watched seasons 1-6 and kind of lost interest, then finished 7-9 just now. Holy moly the 9th season was rough to slog through, I was completely checked out for most of it (so was everyone else but Robert Patrick, to be fair). I can't believe they thought an hour long trial that consisted of thrown together clips with narration was the best way to end things

Honestly, I can't think of many TV shows that have a half-decent finale. The X-Files one was certainly forgettable, and as much I love Doggett, I could have done without seasons 8-9.

Otto Von Jizzmark
Dec 27, 2004
Going through a re watch and hit War of the Coprophages.

I think it was one of the most enjoyable thing Ive seen all year l'd already seen it a few times before

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I really like War of the Coprophages. It's a shame it doesn't seem to get as much love as Darin's other episodes (including from Darin himself, though the guy does seem like his own toughest critic).

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

I just put money in the Magic Fingers!
I will take mediocre seasons if we get at least one Darin-written episode out of it.

UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


Season 7's finale works as a series finale tbh.

I'm pretty sure it was written as a potential series finale too.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Frankly once Duchovny went into special guest star mode the show was over, and the show was spinning its wheels for a while before that.

tetrapyloctomy
Feb 18, 2003

Okay -- you talk WAY too fast.
Nap Ghost

Octy posted:

Honestly, I can't think of many TV shows that have a half-decent finale.

Just watch the finale of M*A*S*H over and over.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

I’m in the minority but I thought the ending of LOST was perfect.

Pops Mgee
Aug 20, 2009

People all over the world,
Join Hands,
Start the Love Train!
I liked the Battlestar finale but I know a lot of people don’t.

Hannibal Rex
Feb 13, 2010

Octy posted:

Honestly, I can't think of many TV shows that have a half-decent finale.

Millennium. Shame it only had two seasons, though.

Bacon Terrorist
May 7, 2010

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

Bulky Bartokomous posted:

I’m in the minority but I thought the ending of LOST was perfect.

:stare:

Just watched Small Potatoes and Zero Sum today, both excellent episodes.

Octy
Apr 1, 2010

Bulky Bartokomous posted:

I’m in the minority but I thought the ending of LOST was perfect.

I don't think it was perfect, but it was satisfying and moving and probably the best we were ever going to get.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Hannibal Rex posted:

Millennium. Shame it only had two seasons, though.

Indeed.

That said, for a finale, "All Good Things" was a decent episode.

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.

Gravitee posted:

I will take mediocre seasons if we get at least one Darin-written episode out of it.

This.

The guy is five-for-five as far as I'm concerned, and season 10 was worth it for a new Darin Morgan episode. If season 11 gives me another one of those plus some other decent entries I'll be happy.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Parks and Rec stuck the landing. But, yeah, X-files has one of the worst finales I've ever seen. And then coming back to I Want to Believe was just... wow. It was so, so bad.

Acer Pilot
Feb 17, 2007
put the 'the' in therapist

:dukedog:

I recently read that Gillian wanted out after this season, do you folks think they'll kill Scully off and leave us with Einstein (terrible name)?

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.
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Acer Pilot posted:

I recently read that Gillian wanted out after this season, do you folks think they'll kill Scully off and leave us with Einstein (terrible name)?

God, Fuuuuuuuck I keep forgetting and then subsequently remembering that they saddled Lauren Ambrose with this loving stupid gimmick name. She's a good actress, like, why.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
I had somehow blocked out Young Not-Scully and Young Not-Mulder. Carter couldn’t even be bothered to do anything marginally interesting with them like swapping the skeptic/believer roles.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

LividLiquid posted:

Parks and Rec stuck the landing. But, yeah, X-files has one of the worst finales I've ever seen. And then coming back to I Want to Believe was just... wow. It was so, so bad.

having slogged through every episode of the x-files should i get myself amped up for the 2nd movie? I'm really unmotivated for it

and theres plenty of good series finales, even in scifi. TNG, Bab5, BSG, i'm sure there's others

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

mastershakeman posted:

having slogged through every episode of the x-files should i get myself amped up for the 2nd movie? I'm really unmotivated for it

and theres plenty of good series finales, even in scifi. TNG, Bab5, BSG, i'm sure there's others

There’s really no point watching IWTB

Ignis
Mar 31, 2011

I take it you don't want my autograph, then.


Acer Pilot posted:

I recently read that Gillian wanted out after this season, do you folks think they'll kill Scully off and leave us with Einstein (terrible name)?

I'd be genuinely surprised if Fox greenlighted that after the disaster that was 24 Legacy.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Acer Pilot posted:

I recently read that Gillian wanted out after this season, do you folks think they'll kill Scully off and leave us with Einstein (terrible name)?

I don't think they'd kill Scully straight-up, but I'm fully expecting Carter to end it with hooks for continuation with other characters.

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!

mastershakeman posted:

having slogged through every episode of the x-files should i get myself amped up for the 2nd movie? I'm really unmotivated for it
IWTB is :wtc: in movie form. I remember coming out of it both disappointed and wondering what the hell I just watched, and now all I can recall of the story is that it somehow went from Billy Connelly as a repentent paedophile priest having visions of dead kids to gay Russians doing head-swap surgery. I have no idea at all what happened between those two things.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

I didn't find I Want To Believe all that objectionable, if anything it was the :wtf: factor that kept me drawn in. Also it had a pretty rad end credits sequence. :shrug:

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I remember when they were filming IWTB, Carter had fake werewolf suits made so that pictures of them leaked and for a while people thought that the movie was going to be about werewolves. Still kind of wish it was.

The only things about it that really stuck out were that the villains ticked off every single conservative nightmare of the Bush era (Russians, illegal immigrants, stem cell researchers, gay marriage) and Duchovny blamed the movie tanking on The Dark Knight coming out the previous week.

Pops Mgee posted:

I liked the Battlestar finale but I know a lot of people don’t.

I've warmed on it a bit over the years (almost 8 years now... drat) but I still think their original plan for the final season, before they changed it during the writers' strike, would have been a lot better.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Chairman Capone posted:

I've warmed on it a bit over the years (almost 8 years now... drat) but I still think their original plan for the final season, before they changed it during the writers' strike, would have been a lot better.

What was it?

It's always interesting to me to see how many huge events in TV shows end up just being sort of...a whim. If you read Memory Alpha when you're watching Star Trek there's shitloads of things that they just decided to do at the last minute and I'm sure Xfiles has that in spades.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

From what I remember, the mutineers were going to be successful in the rest of the fleet, which would have jumped away from the Galactica and been destroyed by the Cylons, leaving the Galactica as the last human ship. After the final battle in the Cylon HQ, the Galactica would jump away to Earth but be damaged enough to crash on it, rather than going into orbit (and causing the survivors to be stranded on Earth rather than by choice). The ending shot would have been archaeologists digging beneath an ancient temple and finding the Galactica.

There were a few other things with changed character motivations - I think Ellen Tigh would have actually joined Cavil's side - but at this point I can't remember the specifics.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

Gillian Anderson is done with the show after this season, officially. So as far as I'm concerned, The X-Files is dead.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Stare-Out posted:

Gillian Anderson is done with the show after this season, officially. So as far as I'm concerned, The X-Files is dead.

It lived too long in the first place and then came back from the dead twice. That’s a pretty good run.

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

If this season is as dismal as the last then good for her.

edit: Six Feet Under, Angel, and Babylon 5 are the most memorable series finales to me.

hope and vaseline fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jan 1, 2018

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

Stultus Maximus posted:

Indeed.

That said, for a finale, "All Good Things" was a decent episode.

For my money, the two best series finales of all time are quite probably All Good Things, and Futurama's Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings. Both episodes are not only fantastic episodes of their respective shows in and of themselves, but both also sort of serve to encapsulate and echo the themes of their series as a whole, and provide both an excellent sense of closure, as well as the feeling that the adventures will continue all the same, even though we as the audience wont necessarily be privy to them.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

hope and vaseline posted:

If this season is as dismal as the last then good for her.

edit: Six Feet Under, Angel, and Babylon 5 are the most memorable series finales to me.

What do you think about family meetings?

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

For my money, the two best series finales of all time are quite probably All Good Things, and Futurama's Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings.

The finale of Fringe left me a blubbery mess. That dang white tulip :unsmith:

I binged through the last three episodes of season 10 last night, and I cannot believe Babylon exists :psyduck:

Acer Pilot
Feb 17, 2007
put the 'the' in therapist

:dukedog:

New season tonight. Wonder how they'll cop out of the finale last season...

Communist Bear
Oct 7, 2008

Acer Pilot posted:

New season tonight. Wonder how they'll cop out of the finale last season...

It was all a dream.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

I just put money in the Magic Fingers!
I'm weirded out its on at 8EST.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

They should stick it back into the Friday-night death slot it inadvertently gave birth to all those years ago.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

A solid open.

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howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Get hosed for saying the moon landing was faked Carter.

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