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Mike N Eich posted:Is it possible to dislike this movie and have it not be out of reverence for the previous films? In fact the stuff the film does out of convention of the Star Wars universe is the most fun and interesting, but it only really half-commits to it. Of course it can only half-commit to it because at the end of the day its a Star Wars movie and they need to keep the premise going. Luke wants to get rid of the Jedi orthodoxy, very good, Yoda does it for him...except Rey has the books on the ship at the end anyway. It encapsulates how closely it approaches doing something new, but has to walk back to core elements of Star Wars films. You can like and dislike what you want OP CelticPredator has no power over you
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People getting personally defensive over mega budget blockbusters (or even semi-popular cartoons) is pretty old hat at this point. Every franchise nowadays has "that guy".
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Dec 30, 2017 18:16
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NNick posted:A lot of critiques have nothing to do with what I find important in movies: themes, motifs, cinematography. I think TLJ brings a lot of fresh ideas which people will see overtime. Yeah, I feel like a lot of the criticism could equally be aimed at a story treatment, and if that's the extent of the criticism, then arguably Rian Johnson is a very skilled movie maker and possibly just a poo poo writer (if you didn't like the story, which I did, so I think he's at least a decent-to-good writer).
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Dec 30, 2017 18:34
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If you criticize the film celticpredater might very meekly disagree with you so watch out
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Calibanibal posted:If you criticize the film celticpredater might very meekly disagree with you so watch out this is almost as scary and menacing as kylo ren in the disney film "the last jedi"
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Dec 30, 2017 19:01
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whatever7 posted:I played one youtuber review of TLJ and youtube just start auto playing TLJ videos. Frankly I haven't come across 1 single position review. Even the video with an Asian girl thumbnail on it dunk on the TLJ from great height. Because normal people watch a movie and continue on with their lives.
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Dec 30, 2017 19:27
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I still don’t understand the perspective that Kylo Ren needs to be threatening or intimidating. If anything, he’s particularly interesting because he’s not, at all.
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Dec 30, 2017 19:35
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Waffles Inc. posted:Rey falls into a pool of water and then approaches a mirror wall, when she touches it we shift perspective a bit and get a voiceover of her relating what happened to Kylo Rey's a Looper.
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Dec 30, 2017 19:35
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The movie undercuts and contraditcts itself constantly, which is why a lot of people dislike. Even disregarding the poor regard for the OT the ST has, it's still not a good movie, simply because its muddled and unclear. It lacks focus
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Dec 30, 2017 20:07
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TLJ just pretty much made everything that happened in the OT meaningless
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Dec 30, 2017 20:11
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chewie should have told luke the news about han
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Dec 30, 2017 20:12
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And also rendered TFA meaningless
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Waffles Inc. posted:The term “plot hole” needs to die Yeah "plot hole" really just means "I am unable or unwilling to synthesize information". If you're going to look at a movie not just as a piece of art but also as a window into a really-existing separate universe, then you need to actually go whole hog and take every piece of information into account. If a character says something, and then something different happens, that is not a "plot hole" - that is a sign that the character was wrong, or that the rules have changed, or whatever.
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Dec 30, 2017 20:23
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I watched Rashomon last night, and boy does that movie have plot holes. Everyone keeps contradicting one another about what happens! I hope Kurosawa got fired for that blunder.
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Dec 30, 2017 20:29
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I really liked the movie but I gotta admit I rolled my eyes when they dragged out the super laser siege cannon turbo and thinking oh boy another thing they gotta hit with pinpoint accuracy while being chased by lasers and then the movie even goes as far as saying literally it’s like a miniaturized death star and I rolled my eyes so far up my brain nerves ended up a tangle
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Dec 30, 2017 20:53
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Calaveron posted:I really liked the movie but I gotta admit I rolled my eyes when they dragged out the super laser siege cannon turbo and thinking oh boy another thing they gotta hit with pinpoint accuracy while being chased by lasers and then the movie even goes as far as saying literally it’s like a miniaturized death star and I rolled my eyes so far up my brain nerves ended up a tangle And what did your eyes do when the plucky rebels didn't manage to destroy the death star?
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Dec 30, 2017 21:06
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BardoTheConsumer posted:And what did your eyes do when the plucky rebels didn't manage to destroy the death star? They sprang back into position and then popped when holy moly the climax with Luke and Kylo Ren
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Dec 30, 2017 21:16
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LinkesAuge posted:Come on guys, it's more like "Luke's character is inconsistent with what we know of him and the explaination giving for his actions in this movie really weren't adequate". But that's wrong.
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Dec 30, 2017 21:17
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theDOWmustflow posted:I think it's because critics tend to review films from a stand-a-lone or episodic film perspective. So a lot of things that are jarring to us because of continuity issues or mismatching tone carried over from previous films, are glossed over or ignored. Like if you saw TLJ in isolation and took everything at face value, then you would probably have a different perspective of the following: I am not sure deus ex machina means what you think it means. That was a chekov's gun at best and can't really even be called that because the buildup was fairly obvious in hindsight.
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Dec 30, 2017 21:18
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Phi230 posted:TLJ just pretty much made everything that happened in the OT meaningless actually, that's TFA, it just wasn't honest about it whereas TLJ was. its' really funny that people are so worked up about TLJ for this instead of being mad at TFA for that reason
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Dec 30, 2017 21:26
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Why is it bad that Reys parents aren't mystical characters? That's actually a bit refreshing, speaks to Jedi being like weeds; you can kill a ton of em but the force keeps popping new ones up as a function of nature instead of being some kind of stupid royalty-esque heritage thing. Not to mention Kylo could have been lying/wrong and that'll be the big 'i am your father' twist for ep9
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Dec 30, 2017 21:37
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Ammanas posted:Why is it bad that Reys parents aren't mystical characters? That's actually a bit refreshing, speaks to Jedi being like weeds; you can kill a ton of em but the force keeps popping new ones up as a function of nature instead of being some kind of stupid royalty-esque heritage thing. The mirror scene was tense and great because I was desperately trying to think of a single face that could be revealed that wouldn't be a massive disappointment. And then they showed the one that wasn't
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Dec 30, 2017 21:48
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Martman posted:Plot holes are an actual thing, it's just that a majority of the time nerd complaints are not about actual plot holes. It's a whole separate matter to determine whether plot holes happen to be bad things. The nerd criticisms like Cinema Sins tend to be more along the lines of "is it possible to interpret this in a way that makes it sound stupid? Then let's complain about it." A big problem is way too many people interpret "why do the characters do this instead of that" as a plot hole- when it should be a cue to more closely examine why a character may have decided to do a thing. Whether or not Holdo not telling Poe her plan was a good idea, why she does not choose to do so is a question that yields a lot of potentially interesting answers. (To me it's understandable that she doesn't but does not have the best consequences, and perhaps Leia would have been able to finesse the situation better. Sometimes you screw up.)
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Tender Bender posted:The mirror scene was tense and great because I was desperately trying to think of a single face that could be revealed that wouldn't be a massive disappointment. And then they showed the one that wasn't Yeah this scene is one of the best of the ST. Rey truly controls her own destiny
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Maxwell Lord posted:A big problem is way too many people interpret "why do the characters do this instead of that" as a plot hole- when it should be a cue to more closely examine why a character may have decided to do a thing. Whether or not Holdo not telling Poe her plan was a good idea, why she does not choose to do so is a question that yields a lot of potentially interesting answers. (To me it's understandable that she doesn't but does not have the best consequences, and perhaps Leia would have been able to finesse the situation better. Sometimes you screw up.) But if characters don't explain their every thought straight to the audience via monologue and also can make mistakes how can I enjoy a movie? BardoTheConsumer fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Tender Bender posted:The mirror scene was tense and great because I was desperately trying to think of a single face that could be revealed that wouldn't be a massive disappointment. And then they showed the one that wasn't I wonder if Rian Johnson is a fan of The Prisoner.
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whatever7 posted:I played one youtuber review of TLJ and youtube just start auto playing TLJ videos. Frankly I haven't come across 1 single position review. Even the video with an Asian girl thumbnail on it dunk on the TLJ from great height. Nerd culture is a consumer-based brand of post-industrial zealotry and this movie is harshly critical of any type of zealotry. Only in-too-deep Star Wars nerds are making those videos. This movie was good, albeit not perfectly crafted.
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Lmao I just remembered C3PO had Venom Snake’s arm at the end of tfa but not in tlj and that was probably JJ trying to insert his coy mystery bullshit and Johnson just going the gently caress is this and sweeping it under the carpet
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theDOWmustflow posted:I think it's because critics tend to review films from a stand-a-lone or episodic film perspective. So a lot of things that are jarring to us because of continuity issues or mismatching tone carried over from previous films, are glossed over or ignored. Like if you saw TLJ in isolation and took everything at face value, then you would probably have a different perspective of the following: whats wrong with those?
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Calaveron posted:Lmao I just remembered C3PO had Venom Snake’s arm at the end of tfa but not in tlj and that was probably JJ trying to insert his coy mystery bullshit and Johnson just going the gently caress is this and sweeping it under the carpet that's because this is a different 3p0 that hasn't been hypnotized
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Calaveron posted:Lmao I just remembered C3PO had Venom Snake’s arm at the end of tfa but not in tlj and that was probably JJ trying to insert his coy mystery bullshit and Johnson just going the gently caress is this and sweeping it under the carpet 3po even directly mentions it in TFA; I thought "oh great they're trying to sucker me into buying a tie-in comic or something"
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There's a drat good reason why JJ Abrams gave 3PO a red robot arm in TFA.
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Calaveron posted:Lmao I just remembered C3PO had Venom Snake’s arm at the end of tfa but not in tlj and that was probably JJ trying to insert his coy mystery bullshit and Johnson just going the gently caress is this and sweeping it under the carpet He has the gold arm again at the end of TFA when everyone is waving goodbye to the falcon.
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Ammanas posted:Why is it bad that Reys parents aren't mystical characters? That's actually a bit refreshing, speaks to Jedi being like weeds; you can kill a ton of em but the force keeps popping new ones up as a function of nature instead of being some kind of stupid royalty-esque heritage thing. So, two things here. One, that thing about Kylo lying would be hilarious because there are so many people, like you, saying it's so good that Rey's parents are nobodies. Presumably, you'll defend whatever Ep 9 says on the topic. Two, what's with people parroting those stupid thoughts by Kojima? Even the prequels show that the Force can show up anywhere to the extent the Jedi have whole rooms of children with practice helmets and lightsabers. Do people think they just didn't pop up 'as a function of nature'? What does that even mean?
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Just saw the film, four put of five porgs. Better than force awakens
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The Rey's parents anti-twist was great and I really hope they don't chicken out of it in IX. She's important because of who she is and what she does, not her background. It's also an actually interesting character beat that she was so tied to an idea of who her parents were.
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Bip Roberts posted:Is it going to be OT style slow banging or PT style yodaflip speed banging? lmao
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The Rey's parents anti-twist was great and I really hope they don't chicken out of it in IX. She's important because of who she is and what she does, not her background. It's also an actually interesting character beat that she was so tied to an idea of who her parents were. My brother didn't like TLJ as a whole but that was the one thing in it he really, really liked.
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