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Avalerion posted:I wanna say the monster design in pokemon is far above anything in Yokai and most digimon too, but that probably matters less if it did do well until recently. Like just now skimmed through a list of yokai and most of them don't look like anything. Please don't disrespect the only two important Yokai, Swelton and Hungramps.  
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I'm conflicted on the demise on Yo-kai Watch. On one hand, I don't care for it or its monster designs, and Pokémon's answer to it was the extremely annoying Rotomdex. On the other hand, Pokémon is better off with some healthy competition to spur it on. I have a feeling that lack of competition is part of why the series is so conservative at times. I do think that Pokémon's greatest strengths is that 1. They established a varied but coherent roster of monsters with something for every taste 2. They've gone out of their way to make each Pokémon species unique in various ways, to the point of making each species its own "character" 3. They've committed to keeping each Pokémon going forwards All of the other games in this genre haven't done this, to my knowledge, and they're weaker for it.
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the_steve posted:Speaking of non-pokemon monster games; I wish they'd revive Monster Rancher. Every time I get nostalgic for Monster Rancher I remember the combat system and then get less nostalgic for Monster Rancher.
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Dec 31, 2017 19:17
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Mizuti posted:I'm conflicted on the demise on Yo-kai Watch. On one hand, I don't care for it or its monster designs, and Pokémon's answer to it was the extremely annoying Rotomdex. On the other hand, Pokémon is better off with some healthy competition to spur it on. I have a feeling that lack of competition is part of why the series is so conservative at times. Exactly right. Like I said before I'm just bewildered why nobody looks at this and thinks hey maybe if I did that with my game it would be more successful. Maybe they really are just trying to milk flash in pan franchises I dunno. I guess it depends on much they're making.
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Dec 31, 2017 19:39
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I wish someone would wrest creative control of the Digimon franchise away from the insane fiends who currently do it. It's like they're all completely unaware of what made people like it in the first place.
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I just like catching the pocket monsters and wouldn't have know that digimon was still around or about yo-kai watch at all if it wasn't for this thread.
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Bleck posted:I wish someone would wrest creative control of the Digimon franchise away from the insane fiends who currently do it. It's like they're all completely unaware of what made people like it in the first place. I hope you're not making GBS threads on the Cyber Sleuth titles or we are going to have some very harsh words. 
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Dec 31, 2017 19:56
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There should be at least one Pokemon game that plays more like Cyber Sleuth than Pokemon. They've spun off into a bunch of other genres, is 'conventional turn-based RPG' too big of a stretch?
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Bleck posted:I wish someone would wrest creative control of the Digimon franchise away from the insane fiends who currently do it. It's like they're all completely unaware of what made people like it in the first place. Appmon is the best Digimon show period and the one ep where Agumon guest stars is better fanservice for Adventure fans than all of Tri.
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Bleck posted:I wish someone would wrest creative control of the Digimon franchise away from the insane fiends who currently do it. It's like they're all completely unaware of what made people like it in the first place. I'm not entirely sure what you mean here. If you mean the games, they're very much in the best moment they've ever had, with two cohesive series instead of random ideas that refine the better known games (the first World and the Story/World DS games) and have ended in pretty playable and actually fun things that sold relatively well (although the newest game did nowhere near as well). I'd say that alone is being very aware of what made people like them in the first place. If you mean the anime, well... Strange Quark posted:Appmon is the best Digimon show period and the one ep where Agumon guest stars is better fanservice for Adventure fans than all of Tri. I wouldn't go this far (Tamers exists) but Appmon is definitely a top-tier Digimon show and ranked in the top 10 of the best anime of the year, so it clearly was very well-liked and actually very well-written too. Tri has...issues, undeniably, but it's pretty much weaponized nostalgia so that's clearly knowing what people liked about the franchise in the first place.
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TaurusOxford posted:I hope you're not making GBS threads on the Cyber Sleuth titles or we are going to have some very harsh words. 'sup, sleuth buddy? 
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Dec 31, 2017 20:41
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Flopsy posted:Poke' Africa would be nuts. There's so many biomes to work with! The Sahara itself could count as a region for god sakes. Ooh wait...Poke' Egypt! DUDE imagine the pokemon designs out there. Ages back, I actually did a map for a poke-Egypt game, complete with a set of gym leaders and their teams. Maybe I'll dig up the stuff I made on my old computer. I remember the first gym was the Venom badge with a team of bulbasaur and ekans. I imagined that the bulbasaur line could live in a desert by burying their bodies in the sand during the day, and coming out at night to look for water and food. I like to imagine what kind of regions might be the natural habitat of various starter Pokemon.
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Nessa posted:Ages back, I actually did a map for a poke-Egypt game, complete with a set of gym leaders and their teams. Maybe I'll dig up the stuff I made on my old computer. Oh dude, do it. I'd love to see that. Ever since regional variants came out I've been speculating on what established pokemon we have can be reworked into various cultures and environments. There's a guy whose channel I follow occasionally called Mr Buddy who makes speculative videos on possible pokemon regions based on real world places. It's surprisingly good if not a little fanwanky at times. Weirdly enough I feel like some the starter pokemon we get in other regions would have fit better into others. Like Serperior makes more sense as grass starter in Kalos and Greninja as a water starter in Johto but hey, maybe that's where they originated from.
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Zore posted:A lot of oversaturation in a very short period of time probably. They ran like 4 movies, a live action movie, three anime seasons, and three generations of game where the revision versions came out 4 months after the initial release all in 3 years. Also they kept loving with the toys and didn't build in any backwards compatibility so kids were supposed to just throw away their old watches to buy new ones with the same medals plus a few more every few months. I went and re-read this, and now I'm morbidly curious. USUM rightfully got flak for not being significantly different enough from SM, and I have a feeling that 1 year worth of development time was not enough time to justify the average fan shelling out another 40 dollars USD. Just what the hell of a difference did 4 months make?  Was it obvious that they were withholding content for the next version or something?
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Dec 31, 2017 23:48
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Pokemon at least has enough cultural momentum to survive a bad release or a few games coming out too quickly, Yokai Watch took a flying leap down the path of Guitar Hero and Five Nights at Freddy's.
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Mizuti posted:I went and re-read this, and now I'm morbidly curious. USUM rightfully got flak for not being significantly different enough from SM, and I have a feeling that 1 year worth of development time was not enough time to justify the average fan shelling out another 40 dollars USD. I think they also did...some sort of recoloring business where they tried to sell the same yokai multiple times as different characters just with the colors switched around. It wasn't the same as shiny hunting... But definitely not the same amount of effort put into making regional variants. Lemmie find an example. Here we go: http://yokaiwatch.wikia.com/wiki/Darkyubi http://yokaiwatch.wikia.com/wiki/Kyubi http://yokaiwatch.wikia.com/wiki/Frostail There were more but I can't be arsed to list em' all. It's not a bad design per say, but jesus this is lazy.
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Reverend you don't have PMs so here's the drat team code Log Lady (Komala) @ Normalium Z Ability: Comatose EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD Adamant Nature - Sleep Talk - Return - Shadow Claw - Swords Dance Dig My Grave (Cofagrigus) @ Sitrus Berry Ability: Mummy EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD Quiet Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Shadow Ball - Energy Ball - Ally Switch - Trick Room Suplex (Pinsir-Mega) @ Pinsirite Ability: Hyper Cutter Shiny: Yes EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Return - Storm Throw - Feint - Protect Manic Pixie (Clefairy) @ Eviolite Ability: Friend Guard EVs: 248 HP / 164 Def / 96 SpD Bold Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Moonblast - Follow Me - Moonlight - Cosmic Power Otistic (Milotic) @ Adrenaline Orb Ability: Competitive Shiny: Yes EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA Modest Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Scald - Ice Beam - Recover - Surf Gom Jabbar (Toxicroak) @ Life Orb Ability: Dry Skin Shiny: Yes EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk Adamant Nature - Sucker Punch - Swords Dance - Poison Jab - Drain Punch
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Winning at the Battle Agency starts getting really difficult if you can't get decent NPCs into Festival Plaza. Just a bunch of level 50 jokers in mine despite taking the game online today... What is the highest anyone has managed? I am at level 12 right now. i saw someone in the list at level 19 the other day.
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Hammerite posted:Winning at the Battle Agency starts getting really difficult if you can't get decent NPCs into Festival Plaza. Just a bunch of level 50 jokers in mine despite taking the game online today... I'm at 11 and the highest I've seen was 9. i'm hoping the January Global Challenge will get more people doing the agency.
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Eox posted:Pokemon at least has enough cultural momentum to survive a bad release or a few games coming out too quickly, Yokai Watch took a flying leap down the path of Guitar Hero and Five Nights at Freddy's. I was at home this Christmas and read through some old Pokemon magazines I had lying around from the late 90s heydey. A recurring question that popped up every few issues was if Pokemon would have legs or slowly wither away. The mag was primarily card-focused, but each time it was asked the authors were fairly confident that Pokemon would transcend past "fad" status. It makes me happy seeing their hopes come true. 
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Ignite Memories posted:Reverend you don't have PMs so here's the drat team code I'll cherish it always
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My one request is that when you inevitably accumulate a sick Ally Switch outplayzz frag reel you set it to "dig my grave" by tmbg
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Is there someone I should be saving these mushrooms and/or pearls to sell to? Or just sell them at the PC?
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Reinanigans posted:Is there someone I should be saving these mushrooms and/or pearls to sell to? Or just sell them at the PC? Just sell them. Pokémon games are really generous with their vendor trash, which makes sense since regular trainers aren't able to be re-battled in these games.
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Dienes posted:I'm at 11 and the highest I've seen was 9. i'm hoping the January Global Challenge will get more people doing the agency. I saw a level 29 with a Garchomp just now, and used them to get to level 13. Unfortunately they are gone now and I'm back to the level 0 nobodies. Not sure what refreshes the list, but Serebii says if you add someone as a VIP you can use them for a few days, so I guess failing to do that was a fuckup on my part...
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Mizuti posted:I went and re-read this, and now I'm morbidly curious. USUM rightfully got flak for not being significantly different enough from SM, and I have a feeling that 1 year worth of development time was not enough time to justify the average fan shelling out another 40 dollars USD. For Psychic Spectres, which is the Yokai Watch 2 version of Emerald, they added; The ability to choose the faction you allied with instead of being forced into it like in Bony Spirits/Fleshy Souls. The ability to catch the members of the new type introduced in the previous game that were just bullshit story battles before. And some postgame missions. You can also transfer your save from Bony Spirits/Fleshy Souls and pick up where you left off there since its literally the same game with a few bonuses.
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Eox posted:Monster Rancher with microtransactions They did this already with a mobile game they put out. It.... wasn't great.
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Zuzie posted:Just sell them. Pokémon games are really generous with their vendor trash, which makes sense since regular trainers aren't able to be re-battled in these games.
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Flopsy posted:I think they also did...some sort of recoloring business where they tried to sell the same yokai multiple times as different characters just with the colors switched around. It wasn't the same as shiny hunting... But definitely not the same amount of effort put into making regional variants. Lemmie find an example. Here we go: digimon does the exact same thing, but i guess they have an advantage in being around for almost as long as pokemon so nobody cares as much. to be honest pokemon not just recoloring old pokemon to make new ones is the odd one out, but i'm glad of it
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mandatory lesbian posted:digimon does the exact same thing, but i guess they have an advantage in being around for almost as long as pokemon so nobody cares as much. to be honest pokemon not just recoloring old pokemon to make new ones is the odd one out, but i'm glad of it I think that's one of the big factors that has made Pokémon last: almost no throwaway palette swap monsters. I mean, yeah, there are some Pokémon that are definitely not as remarkable in the mix, but the majority of them are liked, even if they are rarely someone's outright favorite. Overall, the lineup is memorable and marketable. (It's probably part of why the elemental monkeys are so hated. They seem like generic disposable palette swaps with no interesting characteristics and it makes them stand out like a sore thumb.)
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Digimon also gets a bit of a pass because the monsters in question are rather explicitly digital, and games have pallet swaps. Also the games came out in the mid nineties when the space/animation for 3d models was at a premium. Pokemon designs were all unique but they were also all static sprites.
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Hammerite posted:I saw a level 29 with a Garchomp just now, and used them to get to level 13. Unfortunately they are gone now and I'm back to the level 0 nobodies. Not sure what refreshes the list, but Serebii says if you add someone as a VIP you can use them for a few days, so I guess failing to do that was a fuckup on my part... Only a few days? drat. Would have been nice if a handful of goons could all VIP each other to beat it.
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Mizuti posted:I think that's one of the big factors that has made Pokémon last: almost no throwaway palette swap monsters. I mean, yeah, there are some Pokémon that are definitely not as remarkable in the mix, but the majority of them are liked, even if they are rarely someone's outright favorite. Overall, the lineup is memorable and marketable. The genies are a far better example of pallette swaps but even they have differences in designs between them (the tail)
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mandatory lesbian posted:The genies are a far better example of pallette swaps but even they have differences in designs between them (the tail) Also their hair and number of horns. Even Game Freak probably figured they were too similar to each other and designed alternate Therian formes for them in Black and White 2. Since then they've been better received. Shiny Pokémon could be counted as pallette swaps, but the whole point is that they're supposed to be extremely rare so people make a big deal out of them.
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My top five places I want the next games to be set in are: 1. Poke-Brazil 2. Poke-Alaska/Canada 3. Poke-China 4. Poke-New Zealand 5. Poke-Egypt Runner ups include Poke-Italy and Poke-Russia
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Zuzie posted:Since then they've been better received. 
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Anyone have a spare 6iv non-eng Ditto laying around, or know who can... "catch" one?
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:My top five places I want the next games to be set in are: Thems some drat fine regions right there. Honestly at this point my fondest wish is a alternate evolution/regional variant of aromatisse that has a heavier plague doctor influence. If I got that I would probably weep with joy. That is another thing pokemon has going for it that makes me super happy. The possibility of old designs getting fresh make overs. Alolan marowak rules, and I might be the minority on this but Alolan persian is cute as hell with it's big squishy cheeks. Reminds me of my cat and how she has to lay on anything I'm reading because I could be putting my hands to better use. I.E. face rubs.
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mandatory lesbian posted:The genies are a far better example of pallette swaps but even they have differences in designs between them (the tail) We still have the gen 4 pixies.
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Mizuti posted:I think that's one of the big factors that has made Pokémon last: almost no throwaway palette swap monsters. I mean, yeah, there are some Pokémon that are definitely not as remarkable in the mix, but the majority of them are liked, even if they are rarely someone's outright favorite. Overall, the lineup is memorable and marketable. Guilty confession: I like simisage because he gives me a 50's greaser vibe and I think he's sorta precious. The other two though...eh.
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