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Gatts posted:Ah like a Wes Welker....okay. Let's hope we can keep Gordon and Coleman recovers. It won't be until after the combine. Sometime in that early-March to mid-April window before the draft.
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Jan 1, 2018 20:41
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Lamar Jackson dragged a poo poo-rear end Louisville team to 8 wins which is honestly more impressive than anything Darnold did
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Jan 1, 2018 20:42
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Wilson’s passing stats at NC State are very similar to Jackson’s at Louisville. He was one of the best passers in the country his senior season and still went in the 3rd round. I'm not saying Jackson will suck but I'm not taking him at 6 or higher than that.
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Jan 1, 2018 20:42
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mcmagic posted:He was one of the best passers in the country his senior season and still went in the 3rd round. I'm not saying Jackson will suck but I'm not taking him at 6 or higher than that. Wilson would have gone Top 5 if he was like 6'2. His entire negative scouting report was his size. No one doubted his arm strength or ability to read defenses.
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Jan 1, 2018 20:44
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Wilson would have gone Top 5 if he was like 6'2. This is 100% correct. It was, "can he even see over his own o-line?" A problem Seattle solved by simply not providing him with an o-line.
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Jan 1, 2018 20:46
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mcmagic posted:He was one of the best passers in the country his senior season and still went in the 3rd round. I'm not saying Jackson will suck but I'm not taking him at 6 or higher than that. He had one good year playing for a program with an excellent running game that didn’t ask him to throw too much. When he was in a comparable situation to Jackson he was a similar passer and worse runner. Jackson also isn’t a dwarf, which was the main issue Wilson had. If Wilson had been 6’2” he’d had gone in the first.
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Jan 1, 2018 20:46
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Jan 1, 2018 20:47
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Coldforge posted:It won't be until after the combine. Right, thanks. Maybe the Browns should trade down #1 or #4 and get another bunch of 1sts for the next couple years. Let's say do Saquan Barkley at #4 and like still in the top 10 draft Lamar Jackson. If one is more certain that Darnold and Allen and Rosen have more buzz, we could scoop up the QB a bit later and still nab Barkley or Fitzpatrick.
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Gatts posted:
I've been running it the last few years, and I usually start it about a month before the actual draft. Gives time for the combine and most pro days as well as the first and second waves of FA.
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Jan 1, 2018 20:50
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Lamar is a beanpole which might actually be worse than being a dwarf He needs to bulk up
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Jan 1, 2018 20:51
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Raiders forums are already screaming about that ILB from Georgia, why should I tell them they're dumb?
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Jan 1, 2018 20:53
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Metapod posted:Lamar Jackson is better than Darnold in every QB skill besides playing for usc which means you get to be mediocre and be projected to be the number 1 pick because you get to throw inaccurate throws to juju Eh Jackson has his own faults in the passing game right now. He makes some questionable throws because of his arm strength and his accuracy isn't world beating. He's still the better prospect just because there hasn't been a running QB with his skill and his willingness to stay inside the pocket yet in my opinion. There's pocket QBs that can run it but none that have the sheer open field skill that Lamar has. If he came out as a RB/WR this year he'd still go first round just based on his open field prowess alone. Darnold just isn't a total slouch and certainly isn't anywhere near on the levels of the Hack. We all know the bonehead Darnold but the real good Darnold looks and feels like a total package QB. Those touch passes he was throwing in last years bowl game to JuJu and Burnett were legit. He almost reminds me of Eli, probably might have the same career arc of being an interception king while always sticking around, too.
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:AB is a generational talent who does everything. I wasn't slighting AB by stating the Browns need a possession receiver. I just want a world to exist where Gordon and Brown are on the same offense.
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Jan 1, 2018 20:55
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kittenmittons posted:Barkley was a more complete football player. As a rusher, Elliott had a much better ypc average than Barkley and was a better blocker. Isn't Barkley basically Kamara but utilized properly in college?
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Doltos posted:Eh Jackson has his own faults in the passing game right now. He makes some questionable throws because of his arm strength and his accuracy isn't world beating. He's still the better prospect just because there hasn't been a running QB with his skill and his willingness to stay inside the pocket yet in my opinion. There's pocket QBs that can run it but none that have the sheer open field skill that Lamar has. If he came out as a RB/WR this year he'd still go first round just based on his open field prowess alone. Darnold just isn't a total slouch and certainly isn't anywhere near on the levels of the Hack. We all know the bonehead Darnold but the real good Darnold looks and feels like a total package QB. Those touch passes he was throwing in last years bowl game to JuJu and Burnett were legit. jackson does have faults in his passing game but those are still better than darnold who is poo poo
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Jan 1, 2018 20:56
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Blitz7x posted:Raiders forums are already screaming about that ILB from Georgia, why should I tell them they're dumb? They're not, Smith is electric and just had a fantastic championship game against Auburn. Absolutely incredible first step and hits like a cruise missile.
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Blitz7x posted:Raiders forums are already screaming about that ILB from Georgia, why should I tell them they're dumb? Roquon Smith? He's good.
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Metapod posted:jackson does have faults in his passing game but those are still better than darnold who is poo poo This post will not age well.
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Jan 1, 2018 20:58
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Komet posted:Elliott also had a vastly superior OL over the course of his career. So you can't really compare basic stats like YPC. And Barkley had a vastly superior OC these last two years than Elliott had in 2015. Point being, saying Barkley was so much better than Elliott in college it isn't even funny is dumb.
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Doltos posted:He's still the better prospect just because there hasn't been a running QB with his skill and his willingness to stay inside the pocket yet in my opinion. There's pocket QBs that can run it but none that have the sheer open field skill that Lamar has. I'm tempted to argue there haven't been many (any?) running quarterbacks with the open field skill Lamar has. I think he's better than Vick was coming out, after that I'm down to thinking of like old option quarterbacks when big schools ran that system or something. Lamar Jackson would have a chance to be one of the better punt returners in the league next year in a world where that would ever happen. Like any quarterback if I'm betting I'll bet he fails, just because the odds will be so far in my favor. But goddamn if he hits, Jesus Christ.
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Jan 1, 2018 21:11
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mcmagic posted:This post will not age well. It will age fine.
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Jan 1, 2018 21:12
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CharlestheHammer posted:It will age fine. No one is going to care about Darnold's few bad picks by the time he has his pro day and goes to the combine let alone when he's drafted or starting for and NFL team in September.
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Jan 1, 2018 21:18
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mcmagic posted:No one is going to care about Darnold's few bad picks by the time he has his pro day and goes to the combine let alone when he's drafted or starting for and NFL team in September. He didn’t say he wouldn’t get drafted high. He said he would suck.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:He didn’t say he wouldn’t get drafted high. He said he would suck. I hope all the teams picking in front of the Jets share his opinion. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jan 1, 2018 |
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YOLOsubmarine posted:He didn’t say he wouldn’t get drafted high. He said he would suck. This
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mcmagic posted:No one is going to care about Darnold's few bad picks by the time he has his pro day and goes to the combine let alone when he's drafted or starting for and NFL team in September. But then people will care when he starts throwing those bad picks after that. No one actually cares about when he is drafted, it doesn't matter.
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mcmagic posted:I hope all the team picking in front of the Jets share his opinion. The jets are about due to spend another first round pick on an overrated USC QB.
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Jan 1, 2018 21:25
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Kirios posted:And somehow the Deshaun Watson trade is still a steal. Thanks Browns! Still way too early to tell lil fella
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YOLOsubmarine posted:The jets are about due to spend another first round pick on an overrated USC QB. I'll take my chances with Darnold.
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Jan 1, 2018 21:33
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USC has an amazing, storied tradition of great NFL quarterbacks, such as Matt Leinart, Matt Cassel, Mark Sanchez, Matt Barkley, and Cody Kessler. Can't wait for Sam Darnold to join their hallowed ranks.
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Benne posted:USC has an amazing, storied tradition of great NFL quarterbacks, such as Matt Leinart, Matt Cassel, Mark Sanchez, Matt Barkley, and Cody Kessler. Can't wait for Sam Darnold to join their hallowed ranks. I still think its great when people list past prospects from a school like it's a correlation.
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Jan 1, 2018 22:25
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Doltos posted:I still think its great when people list past prospects from a school like it's a correlation. It’s literally a correlation, just not necessarily a causation. But prospects from certain high profile programs do tend to get more attention and interest in part because of visibility and in part because they’re often surrounded by really talented players who make them look better.
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Doltos posted:I still think its great when people list past prospects from a school like it's a correlation. gently caress all Wisconsin RBs
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corn on the cop posted:i agree. now let's talk about USC receivers Lynn Swann and Juju are good, to me
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YOLOsubmarine posted:It’s literally a correlation, just not necessarily a causation. But prospects from certain high profile programs do tend to get more attention and interest in part because of visibility and in part because they’re often surrounded by really talented players who make them look better. Yeah causation. But still the only possible connection you can have is that X coach teaches Y players how to play, but by the time you get to the collegiate level players are already pretty unique in their athletic skillsets.
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a neat cape posted:gently caress all Wisconsin RBs Even worse when they do well they do awful things like win the Patriots the Super Bowl. Taylor is legit though.
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Lynn Swann and Juju are good, to me So is Robert Woods and even Nelson Agohlar looked like NFL player this year
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YOLOsubmarine posted:It’s literally a correlation, just not necessarily a causation. But prospects from certain high profile programs do tend to get more attention and interest in part because of visibility and in part because they’re often surrounded by really talented players who make them look better. Yeah but that info isn't really useful for anything. More a fun fact than anything.
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