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If you live in a place that’s growing and has jobs things are going to be more expensive. That’s just simple logic.
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skylined! posted:however there are parts of the country where 500k gets you a 1500sq ft bungalow built in the 1940's so maybe your generalizations are not well thought out.
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Pretty sure the argument he was making was that it's not just the capital class paying $10k+ in SALT. You do know that there are people who aren't poor who still have to count every dollar, yes?
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RandomBlue posted:Trump is President. Just an FYI. People were still angry when Obama was president. Like after the first six months though.
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Azhais posted:If you're in a tech job and anywhere near the tech hubs 500k won't get far Then let's raise state taxes and build affordable housing in those areas, rather than give the top 1% more tax breaks that will only be used to bid up property prices in those areas of restricted supply, what do you think about that? We have plenty of room to do that because the feds just gave corporations a huge handout and we can take from that. That would help the techies, and the people working service jobs in tech hubs who don't have $500k salaries but still have to survive somehow.
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FilthyImp posted:No you see his teacher buddy got a sprawling 6/4 in Icepiss, Minnesota so clearly the right thing to do is leave the hipster metro core and move to a place where Lilly white is too colored for the local folk. in fairness they do an excellent hasselback casserole in Icepiss
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lol I like all the smug white liberals who think their coastal cities aren't gentrifying like crazy and driving low income minorities out *heh, look at those poors in sump pump, iowa* *scoops up a hot rental in harlem after a black family of 3 was evicted to make room for gentrifiers*
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah sure, Wall Street and SiliconValley are going to pack up and move to Kansas aaaaaaany day now, Governor Brownback.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I like that 125,000 is a moral house value but 400,000 is a hideous sin. Those numbers aren't even far apart in house prices
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Timeless Appeal posted:Yeah, I'm not engaging in your pointless tax debate. Totally irrelevant because taxes are assessed based on tax bracket not what county of NY you live in.
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Unoriginal Name posted:You let me know when the jewish person gets gas chambered by the Nazi Party in this country, cause I think that's when being ironic starts being dangerous. That is how dumb it is. By the time people start getting murdered it is a little late to moderate the rhetoric. So maybe grow the gently caress up and realize that joking about murdering people is just a stupid and ghoulish when you do it as it is when people who disagree with you do it.
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TheScott2K posted:Pretty sure the argument he was making was that it's not just the capital class paying $10k+ in SALT. You do know that there are people who aren't poor who still have to count every dollar, yes? It was a spurious argument because he took the median income of a low income area and said it must be those $40k earners paying the $10k median property tax bills of the entire county. Feel free to show your work that people outside the top 10% or so are seeing a significant tax hike. So far all I've gotten is "well in my gated neighborhood $200k salaries are below average, do you expect me to live next door to my filthy barista?" and "what about this rural town of 147 people where half pay a lot in taxes, don't ask me how much land those high payers own tho" and "gently caress your facts, I don't feel rich", none of which is a particularly compelling argument for further starving the federal government of revenue.
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VitalSigns posted:Then let's raise state taxes and build affordable housing in those areas, rather than give the top 1% more tax breaks that will only be used to bid up property prices in those areas of restricted supply, what do you think about that? We have plenty of room to do that because the feds just gave corporations a huge handout and we can take from that. I think we all agree on this We need to do poo poo to fix the situation in many cities, rising rents, rising house costs, worse traffic from everyone being forced to live further from where they work, etc We have a lot of inter-related issues that need to be fixed, without getting into obvious things like UHC, and the last thing we should be using tax dollars for is to pay for corporate tax cuts and estate tax cuts
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Dmitri-9 posted:Totally irrelevant because taxes are assessed based on tax bracket not what county of NY you live in. Property taxes are assessed based on value and locality.
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Unoriginal Name posted:You let me know when the first rich person gets guillotined by the poor in this country, cause I think that's when being ironic starts being dangerous. a rich congressman had his dick shot off by a guy angry over health insurance already so
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The Glumslinger posted:I think we all agree on this Agreed, this is exactly what we should be doing, and let me add that we definitely shouldn't be using cuts to corporate rates and estate tax cuts as an excuse to pass even more tax cuts for high earners who feel left out and want their piece
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TheScott2K posted:Pretty sure the argument he was making was that it's not just the capital class paying $10k+ in SALT. You do know that there are people who aren't poor who still have to count every dollar, yes? Vital, I don't really care about your tax argument and yeah I do think it's kind of pointless. I don't think you understood what Westchester was and I hope you do know. Sorry my posts made you feel salty, it wasn't my intent.
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VitalSigns posted:It was a spurious argument because he took the median income of a low income area and said it must be those $40k earners paying the $10k median property tax bills of the entire county. Painting everyone who isn't financially drowning with this brush makes you look profoundly stupid and unserious. People making mid-five-figures are allowed to be bothered by their tax bill going up to make their bosses' accountants' spreadsheet look better.
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skylined! posted:a rich congressman had his dick shot off by a guy angry over health insurance already so A bunch of other random people got shot during that one too. But maybe we should look up their income relative to their areas median before we determine if their health and lives have meaning.
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VitalSigns posted:Then let's raise state taxes and build affordable housing in those areas, rather than give the top 1% more tax breaks that will only be used to bid up property prices in those areas of restricted supply, what do you think about that? We have plenty of room to do that because the feds just gave corporations a huge handout and we can take from that. v0v Find more room in San Francisco I guess? California also has some law on the books that says they can't change the taxes without a supermajority which is what's gotten them into their dire straits
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah sure, Wall Street and SiliconValley are going to pack up and move to Kansas aaaaaaany day now, Governor Brownback. You're right that taxes aren't the only factor for corporations, but they are an important factor. Corporations moving out of California due to its unfriendly business environment and regulations is a well-documented phenomenon.
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Is there a way to legally target a tax the international wealthy at the federal level? Is something like a federal luxury property tax constitutional? Cause there is going to be a big drat hole and I like Medicare and SS
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Azhais posted:v0v San Francisco's issues have more to do with zoning and white "native" San Franciscans being poo poo people than geography.
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Peven Stan posted:lol I like all the smug white liberals who think their coastal cities aren't gentrifying like crazy and driving low income minorities out could you please address them in this thread specifically or maybe gently caress off to uspol or something
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Timeless Appeal posted:I honestly wasn't making an argument about SALT at all. I think Vital was just talking about Westchester in a way that showed he didn't really understand what it was. Calling it a rich suburb of New York City is unfair to folks living in Westchester who don't make much money. All I'm saying is that Westchester isn't a singular town--which it sounds like when you call it a suburb--and not everyone who lives there is rich. Westchester was brought up as an area with a median property tax rate above $13k, which was why I pointed out that's because a bunch of rich people live there, in the second richest county in New York City. I didn't claim every single person was rich (or at least I didn't intend for what I said to be taken that way), and the people making $40k within the county lines are obviously not the people paying $13k in taxes, so I think this was all a misunderstanding between you and me, maybe you didn't see the post I was replying to or something.
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BrandorKP posted:Is there a way to legally target a tax the international wealthy at the federal level? Is something like a federal luxury property tax constitutional? SS is easy to fix, just lift the cap. Medicare is hosed no matter what unless the cost increases slow. You can't have one area of the budget growing at a rate 3-4x the overall economic growth rate forever.
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Peven Stan posted:lol I like all the smug white liberals who think their coastal cities aren't gentrifying like crazy and driving low income minorities out Oh wait no the city's always had a rich and diverse population.
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TheScott2K posted:Painting everyone who isn't financially drowning with this brush makes you look profoundly stupid and unserious. People making mid-five-figures are allowed to be bothered by their tax bill going up to make their bosses' accountants' spreadsheet look better. The house values that have been talked about in this thread though, are 400-500k. Even accounting for different assorted living costs, I'm really struggling to picture a scenario in which a guy earning mid-five-figures is going home to his 500k house. I mean, prove me wrong - I'm certainly not omniscient.
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Xae posted:That is how dumb it is. Indeed leftists are like Nazis and we should be moderate. Let's pull our rhetoric to the middle of the political spectrum. Dare I say.....more centrist
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Slugworth posted:The house values that have been talked about in this thread though, are 400-500k. Even accounting for different assorted living costs, I'm really struggling to picture a scenario in which a guy earning mid-five-figures is going home to his 500k house. I mean, prove me wrong - I'm certainly not omniscient. Maybe the guy's partner works too?
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Unoriginal Name posted:Indeed leftists are like Nazis and we should be moderate. Let's pull our rhetoric to the middle of the political spectrum. You really want to start arguing that leftist don't have a nasty history of genocide? Really? Feel free to be a leftist all you want. Just gently caress off with the Internet Revolutionary LARPing bullshit.
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Slugworth posted:The house values that have been talked about in this thread though, are 400-500k. Even accounting for different assorted living costs, I'm really struggling to picture a scenario in which a guy earning mid-five-figures is going home to his 500k house. I mean, prove me wrong - I'm certainly not omniscient. Dual professional income might be able to swing that far. Like a household of 120-150k.
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FilthyImp posted:Oh wait no the city's always had a rich and diverse population. Gonna be a lot more rich and a lot less diverse with this current crop of HENRY vultures doing their best to gentrify harlem, chinatown, the bronx, and anywhere poc might find affordable in the city
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Xae posted:A bunch of other random people got shot during that one too. Their policies would kill hundreds of thousands of people. Save your crocodile tears.
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Y'all are really going wild with "HENRY." Like a ten year old who just discovered "gently caress"
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TheScott2K posted:Painting everyone who isn't financially drowning with this brush makes you look profoundly stupid and unserious. People making mid-five-figures are allowed to be bothered by their tax bill going up to make their bosses' accountants' spreadsheet look better. Mid-five-figures? No one has been able to actually prove that anyone making $50,000/yr is going to see a significant tax increase. If you can prove this is happening I'd totally support a targeted state fix for those people, but so far all I've seen is proposals to use loopholes to restore the full SALT deduction, and a bunch of handwaving to pretend all of that money wouldn't go only to people who are already rich, not one specific example anyone has offered of totally-real 50k-earners paying $10k SALT bills has held up, not one. If we want to resist the GOP we should offset the federal tax cuts with state tax hikes and use that money to pay for the services the GOP-controlled HUD and DOE are cutting, not give the top 10% more tax breaks because they feel left out of the $1.5T that the top 0.1% got.
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Xae posted:You really want to start arguing that leftist don't have a nasty history of genocide? thank you for allowing me my political opinion sir P.S. as long as the rich are engaged in an active campaign that literally causes the death of the poor, I will joyfully continue my LARPing
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skylined! posted:a rich congressman had his dick shot off by a guy angry over health insurance already so Yeah and it's too bad he and the others didn't die, because instead they were able to continue to vote to strip the individual mandate from the ACA in a terrible tax bill and sentence potentially thousands upon thousands of Americans to death via lack of basic health care.
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Xae posted:SS is easy to fix, just lift the cap. Eliminating the SS cap would cost be about $6k more per year, which I would be fine with, but we really need to start taxing passive/non-wage income for SS and Medicare. Slugworth posted:The house values that have been talked about in this thread though, are 400-500k. Even accounting for different assorted living costs, I'm really struggling to picture a scenario in which a guy earning mid-five-figures is going home to his 500k house. I mean, prove me wrong - I'm certainly not omniscient. There are parts of the county where homes half that price have tax bills over $10k.
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