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Pac-Manioc Root posted:I think she will be borderline playable in block draft to create recursion value on human vampire wave tactics, if you see her after drafting some kings commission/call to feast/legions landing type poo poo. If you see her after drafting Queen's Commission/Call to Feast/Legion's Landing someone passed their picks, as it'll be New/New/Old draft order.
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meanolmrcloud posted:They are just preserving design space and being mindful of the precedence they are setting going forward. You can’t make powerful mythics because...because...because you just can’t. They have made powerful mythics and players whined about how all the good cards are mythic. Remember Voice of Resurgence? Remember the deck literally called Mythic Conscription?
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Jan 2, 2018 06:33
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Mythics should be EDH fodder at best, and overcosted interesting Johnny cards at worst. If a mythic is constructed playable.......it is a problem.
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Some Numbers posted:They have made powerful mythics and players whined about how all the good cards are mythic. There is actually nothing that Wizards can do to solve the mythic problem. Make the cards amazing and people will complain that Standard is too expensive because of $40 mythics. Make them EDH fodder and people complain when the hard-to-pull card they get in a pack is worthless. Hey that last sentence reminds me - we're all here supposedly enlightened to the fact that opening packs just to find cards is horrible value, so none of us are doing it. So why are we complaining that mythics are EDH/Johnny trash? Is it just a psychological response to seeing that red symbol?
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PJOmega posted:If you see her after drafting Queen's Commission/Call to Feast/Legion's Landing someone passed their picks, as it'll be New/New/Old draft order. Oh yeah. So unless Rivals iterates on poo poo that spews out Vampire tokens to give you a signpost, she's a risky pick.
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It is nice that her ability triggers off token deaths, unlike a lot of similar triggered abilities.
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BJPaskoff posted:There is actually nothing that Wizards can do to solve the mythic problem. Make the cards amazing and people will complain that Standard is too expensive because of $40 mythics. Make them EDH fodder and people complain when the hard-to-pull card they get in a pack is worthless. There is actually plenty they can do. If the power level of cards was more balanced across all the rarities and standard was less of a shitshow, card prices would make more sense. Masters set releases at this point basically doom standard to rolling the dice to see if a new card they create actually makes waves outside of standard or not and that isn't looking all that promising. Scarab god is going to be bulk once it rotates. Chandra is going to be sub 10$ in a hurry. All that is going to be left is a few roleplayers + the fast lands holding any value at all. Nothing major or significant. Khans might be the last good standard set we get for a long time and even it had problems. Sickening fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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BJPaskoff posted:There is actually nothing that Wizards can do to solve the mythic problem. Make the cards amazing and people will complain that Standard is too expensive because of $40 mythics. Make them EDH fodder and people complain when the hard-to-pull card they get in a pack is worthless. Because people love to complain and it is easier to complain that just say "hmm seems fine"
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Sickening posted:There is actually plenty they can do. If the power level of cards was more balanced across all the rarities and standard was less of a shitshow, card prices would make more sense. Masters set releases at this point basically doom standard to rolling the dice to see if a new card they create actually makes waves outside of standard or not and that isn't looking all that promising. Chandra's fine in modern, won't dip sub 25.
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Jan 2, 2018 10:04
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Tubgoat posted:Chandra's fine in modern, won't dip sub 25. I think the number of cards that lose $0 upon rotation is extremely low, and I'm pretty sure Chandra is not one of them.
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Jan 2, 2018 11:55
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Katana Gomai posted:Shrine Altisaur - 4W I look forward to a set of X/1 dinosaurs so that we don't have too much fun with the 5-drop.
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God, this is cool, but probably unplayable. Needs a bigger body or to be 3CMC, I think it would be printable as a 2/2 for 1WB. Although, I have just noticed it's *any* creature dying puts a counter on her, not just friendlies, so that's something. Maybe if a good sac outlet is in the set and Vampires have a few more good token generators.
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Jan 2, 2018 13:14
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 Path to Discovery 3G Enchantment - R Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, it explores. (Reveal the top card of your library. Put that card into your hand if it's a land. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on the creature, then put the card back or put it into your graveyard.)
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BizarroAzrael posted:Although, I have just noticed it's *any* creature dying puts a counter on her, not just friendlies, so that's something. Maybe if a good sac outlet is in the set and Vampires have a few more good token generators. Still a tough sell. It's a 4 mana, multicolor, 1/1 lifelink with no actual text on it until something else dies.
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Seafloor Oracle, Shrine Altisaur, and Path to Discovery all feel like they might clear the hurdle of being playable build-arounds.
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:Seafloor Oracle, Shrine Altisaur, and Path to Discovery all feel like they might clear the hurdle of being playable build-arounds. I really want Path to Discovery to be a thing but it might be too slow. You might be able to retool the GW Aggro list to fit it in. That way you get move value on your 1 and 2 drop Embalm creatures. At the least I think it replaces Panharmonicon in my explore deck I posted a page or two ago since you still should get 2 explores off creatures that already explore and your constrictors and gearhulks gain it as well.
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meanolmrcloud posted:They are just preserving design space and being mindful of the precedence they are setting going forward. You can’t make powerful mythics because...because...because you just can’t. How soon we forget there is a $30 mythic rare in standard. Right now.
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 Tilonalli's Summoner - 1R Creature - Human Shaman (?) - Rare 1/1 Ascend "Whenever ~ attacks, you may pay XR. If you do, create X 1/1 elemental tokens tapped and attacking. At the beginning of the next end step, exile them unless you have the City's Blessing."
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:How soon we forget there is a $30 mythic rare in standard. Right now. Two actually!
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Katana Gomai posted:Two actually! Chandra isn’t $30 anymore. I see her going the way of Nahiri. She’ll lose a little value immediately after rotation, then will slowly trickle down until she’s hovering around $10-15. A little higher than Nahiri because she already has some set usefulness in Modern outside of control decks specifically designed for her. Tainen posted:
I really like this even if it isn’t going to see standard play.
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Tainen posted:
Wait, permanents constantly check for whether you ascend, right? so this turns on ascend with 5 lands and a blank board, right? Just swing and tap out. It feels unlikely there’s a good incentive to try hard to ascend in constructed but this feels like it’ll be the most reliable way to do so.
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AlternateNu posted:Chandra isn’t $30 anymore. Nahiri had an entire deck built around her at one point where chandra won't even get that. She is a 1-2 of in modern at best right now and none of those are super popular decks. Price memory is the only thing going to prop her up.
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Chandra is going to go down, but she is playable in Modern and Legacy so she won't totally crater
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Living end is 34 bucks and climbing? Guess what card I am selling in a loving hurry. I think I bought my playset for 20 bucks last year? The leaf deck is mediocre at best, don't buy into this hype. The two good leylines are almost 30 a piece, holy gently caress. Sickening fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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I was able to trade Chandra and a handful of 3-5 dollar standard/modern cards for a Revised Wheel of Fortune the other day. Seemed like a good deal to get a Blue Chip cardboard rectangle. Historically, how far ahead of rotation should one look to unload their Scarab God type cards to avoid it tanking to a dollar rare?
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Sickening posted:Living end is 34 bucks an climbing? Guess what card I am selling in a loving hurry. Doing the same. The deck is fun, mind you, but I dont forsee it ever ending up competitively viable
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A perfectly fine card, IMO. Merfolk were already arguably the strongest archetype in limited, though not quite there in constructed. A nice, cheap anthem fish is welcome in both. UG cost doesn't seem awkward at all as long as Botanical Sanctum is in Standard.
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Hurray. Another 2-drop Merfolk lord. 
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Katana Gomai posted:
I don't think a four mana 2/3 is going to make much impact in standard, even if a Merfolk deck materializes.
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Sickening posted:Living end is 34 bucks and climbing? Guess what card I am selling in a loving hurry. I think I bought my playset for 20 bucks last year? Turns out that people like casting Ancestral Vision and Cryptic for free.... Who would've thunk.
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Tainen posted:
This feels like it slots in okay to a treasure thing and might be one of the most playable timewalk effects in a while?
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Lone Goat posted:I don't think a four mana 2/3 is going to make much impact in standard, even if a Merfolk deck materializes. I will definitely try to make a merfolk deck, but I doubt there will be more than two of these in it.
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mcmagic posted:Turns out that people like casting Ancestral Vision and Cryptic for free.... Who would've thunk. A free cryptic on turn 7 isn't exactly a huge perk but casting vision for free is pretty dope.
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Sickening posted:A free cryptic on turn 7 isn't exactly a huge perk but casting vision for free is pretty dope. I have no idea if that deck is good or not but people really like it and the gameplay does seem pretty fun...
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