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Dias posted:Natural potential trumps effort in DB, but natural potential with effort trumps just natural potential too. Basically, yeah. It's as easy as seeing the protagonists: those who are normal humans but put great effort can keep up as jobbers (Krillin, Master Roshi, not Tenshinhan), those with natural potential but that don't really put the effort can have bursts of usefulness but ultimately fall behind the curve (Gohan, Freeza pre-Resurrection "F" or arguably pre-ToP) and those that have both talent and a drive to improve themselves become stronger than the gods (Goku, Vegeta, Freeza now). Those that have neither are removed from the series, as Yamcha shows.
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ImpAtom posted:How is this bullshit? Pan is the daughter of an insanely powerful guy and a reasonable talented woman. She absolutely follows the scheme established by Goten and Gohan of being incredibly powerful from birth. Trunks was too and Bulma isn't even a fighter. Pan literally went through a ritual as a Super Saiyan before she was born. Oh I know, I'm just saying that the human-saiyan kids throw the argument that genetics don't matter on DB out of the window with Super's Pan being the most blatant example of it.
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What the gently caress were they thinking with Vegeta's GT hair, it's awful. At true-blooded Super Saiyan's hair is the same from the day he's born, and the prince of all saiyans would never shave his hair The shots of Jiren have so much attitude, it's great Augus fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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Jan 2, 2018 18:46
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The acronyms are hilarious to me especially the Broly ones. The more ridiculous DB is the better.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Oh I know, I'm just saying that the human-saiyan kids throw the argument that genetics don't matter on DB out of the window with Super's Pan being the most blatant example of it. None of the human-saiyan kids have accomplished anything without serious dedication and effort
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Jan 2, 2018 18:47
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Pan was able to humiliate literally the first villain of the franchise, whose job it is to be owned constantly. Truly a force to fear, OP bullshit.
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Andrast posted:None of the human-saiyan kids have accomplished anything without serious dedication and effort But they've been shown reaching the levels of power that took Goku and Vegeta literal years to attain simply by being their sons or daughters in Pan's case. The only one who hasn't shown anything similar is Bra. Junpei Hyde posted:Pan was able to humiliate literally the first villain of the franchise, whose job it is to be owned constantly. A baby being able to fly into space just because she felt like it, is pretty bullshit though.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:But they've been shown reaching the levels of power that took Goku and Vegeta literal years to attain simply by being their sons or daughters in Pan's case. The only one who hasn't shown anything similar is Bra. yeah and all that power has done jack poo poo for them without dedication and effort
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Jan 2, 2018 18:55
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Cabba accomplished Super Saiyan by Vegeta pushing his buttons once, and as far as we know he's just a reasonably strong member of the race, not even the most powerful.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:A baby being able to fly into space just because she felt like it, is pretty bullshit though. Not really? Flying into space isn't exactly a big challenge in Dragonball. Gohan could probably have done it. Remember that Gohan was insanely powerful and held back only by his nature at *age 4* and that was when his father was sub-Raditz. Junpei Hyde posted:Cabba accomplished Super Saiyan by Vegeta pushing his buttons once, and as far as we know he's just a reasonably strong member of the race, not even the most powerful. To be fair Cabba was considered one of the six strongest warriors in his universe. Even if Champa missed a Broly or two that seems to imply he's above average.
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Gatts posted:The acronyms are hilarious to me especially the Broly ones. The more ridiculous DB is the better. It reminds me of all those notebooks I filled up with DB fan fiction power level wankery back in middle school. Goku (Full power Super Saiyan 5 Spirit Bomb Absorbed Kaio Ken x 100) - 7,000,000,000,000 Vegeta (Full Power Super Saiyan 5 Majin Full Moon Boost) - 6,999,999,999,999 Super Perfect Cell (absorbed Android 13, 14, 15 plus zenkai boost Super Saiyan 4) - 7,000,000,000,001 Riveting stuff, for sure.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:But they've been shown reaching the levels of power that took Goku and Vegeta literal years to attain simply by being their sons or daughters in Pan's case. The only one who hasn't shown anything similar is Bra. I too, look at the cute comedy episode and have the immediate response of "wow this is bullshit how can you fly in dragonball"
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ImpAtom posted:Not really? Flying into space isn't exactly a big challenge in Dragonball. Gohan could probably have done it. Remember that Gohan was insanely powerful and held back only by his nature at *age 4* and that was when his father was sub-Raditz. Yeah but Champa's lazy as hell, you telling me he didn't just pick the first Saiyan he saw?
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Was there any first-time Super Saiyan transformation after Goku that was actually good and didn't feel like bullshit? I think Future Trunks was pretty much the only one. Maybe Gohan too, but I can't even remember what happened to make him achieve it.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:But they've been shown reaching the levels of power that took Goku and Vegeta literal years to attain simply by being their sons or daughters in Pan's case. The only one who hasn't shown anything similar is Bra. What, exactly, have the kids actually achieved? They got a ludicrous amount of power really quickly(went SS basically offscreen, learned the fusion dance and SS3 in like a day) but have accomplished absolutely nothing of note. They lost to Buu and every time they've shown up since they've either been whomped on or they defuse before the fight is over and lose. Pan being a super baby that can humiliate child Pilaf isn't really that far off from crying toddler Gohan knocking the wind out of Raditz with a headbutt.
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:Was there any first-time Super Saiyan transformation after Goku that was actually good and didn't feel like bullshit? I think Future Trunks was pretty much the only one. Maybe Gohan too, but I can't even remember what happened to make him achieve it. Vegeta's tantrum transformation was great
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Technically Kale's controlled berserk form is her SS1 and that was a good first time.
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Was it Bra that burned fashion Vegita and his mustache? Cause even a sensu bean won’t fix his soul after that crush.
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:Was there any first-time Super Saiyan transformation after Goku that was actually good and didn't feel like bullshit? I think Future Trunks was pretty much the only one. Maybe Gohan too, but I can't even remember what happened to make him achieve it. Even in Trunk's case he was Super Saiyan in the manga before Gohan died, the anime just made a (genuinely good) change to that.
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:Was there any first-time Super Saiyan transformation after Goku that was actually good and didn't feel like bullshit? I think Future Trunks was pretty much the only one. Maybe Gohan too, but I can't even remember what happened to make him achieve it. Future Trunks' first on screen transformation was cool as hell for the "wtf another Super Saiyan?!?!" reaction. Vegeta going Super Saiyan against #19 had a similar impact on me. But if you mean the first time the characters achieved the form? Yeah, Future Trunks was probably the best one.
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ImpAtom posted:Even in Trunk's case he was Super Saiyan in the manga before Gohan died, the anime just made a (genuinely good) change to that. A Fancy Hat posted:Future Trunks' first on screen transformation was cool as hell for the "wtf another Super Saiyan?!?!" reaction. Vegeta going Super Saiyan against #19 had a similar impact on me. But if you mean the first time the characters achieved the form? Yeah, Future Trunks was probably the best one.
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Junpei Hyde posted:Technically Kale's controlled berserk form is her SS1 and that was a good first time. Kale's SS1 is when she went SS1 Gohan style to break out of the bubble that one pride trooper put her in.
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I liked Kale and Cauliflaua and thought those Saiyans and Goku being a mentor and Vegeta kind of a Dad to Cabba was sweet.
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IcePhoenix posted:Kale's SS1 is when she went SS1 Gohan style to break out of the bubble that one pride trooper put her in. Yeah that's what I meant.
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Junpei Hyde posted:Yeah that's what I meant. I actually liked her SS1 design more than her controlled berserker form (even though that's cool too)
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Power levels were a mistake That one Jiren still looks like he’s about to take the gloves off and cut loose, it owns
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I hope all the GoDS and Angels just come over. "Hey thanks for erasing those two jackasses, I hated that Universe like you wouldn't believe."
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I am upset that the thread has been effectively trolled by " but power levels!"We must all be better.
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Shinjobi posted:I am upset that the thread has been effectively trolled by "
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Power levels are pretty easy to figure out: Stronger than the last guy; Weaker than the next one; Repeat.
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Shinjobi posted:I am upset that the thread has been effectively trolled by " The secret is never respond to anything DT posts for any reason.
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Gatts posted:I liked Kale and Cauliflaua and thought those Saiyans and Goku being a mentor and Vegeta kind of a Dad to Cabba was sweet. It’s very good. I really like the relationship between the Universe 6 saiyans and Goku and Vegeta. I think while Super has a lot of cool ideas it doesn’t always nail them but Universe 6 and it’s characters have all been done very well.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:It’s very good. I really like the relationship between the Universe 6 saiyans and Goku and Vegeta. To add to this I really want Toppo roasting Vegeta to be a thing forever. Like Toppo is going to be a GoD there are several guaranteed decades of burns there.
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SirKibbles posted:To add to this I really want Toppo roasting Vegeta to be a thing forever. Like Toppo is going to be a GoD there are several guaranteed decades of burns there. So what has he done besides calling Vegeta second fiddle to Goku?
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Hunt11 posted:So what has he done besides calling Vegeta second fiddle to Goku? Crushed Goku's spirit. Also his balls.
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You guys suppose this is going to end with 1 MINUTE LEFT where Goku and Vegeta fuse into Vegito and go Ultra Instinct against Jiren? Or are they gonna save that for fighting some other Angel/God of Destruction. or something like that Dragon looking one who hinted he's the poo poo and would mop the floor with all the other ones.
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Goku is the strongest warrior in the multiverse.
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