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Sickening posted:
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Jan 4, 2018 21:36
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The Shortest Path posted:
The one from 2008? Does that still apply.
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Jan 4, 2018 21:37
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Vampires seems more pushed than Merfolk this set and it already had tournament showing.
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Jan 4, 2018 21:40
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Sickening posted:
They don't even work with Blood Sun rofl.
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Jan 4, 2018 21:42
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Super-curious to see how many people try wishboards in Modern, even though I think 4 mana at sorcery speed is too much of a cost.
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Jan 4, 2018 21:46
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The Shortest Path posted:
That has never stopped a price bubble based on stupidity
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Jan 4, 2018 21:48
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I like Blood Sun, it seems cool and replaces itself. It just has the dumbest loving name.
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Jan 4, 2018 21:51
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It would be neat if Lotus Vale was errata'd back, but I'm not holding my breath. I do have a fondness for the card. Cloud of Faeries + Lotus Vale is one of the best early things I did in Magic.
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Jan 4, 2018 21:53
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The Shortest Path posted:
Isn't it a replacement effect? You know, the thing they just changed with the Ixalan rules update so that this interaction does actually work? E: Hell, I'm pretty sure Blood Sun is exactly what's being referred to when the rules update article says quote:Blood Moon and Dimir Aqueduct together illustrate the confusion nicely. This rule said that you ignore Blood Moon to determine that Dimir Aqueduct entered tapped, but then it loses all of its abilities and doesn't trigger. Players learned that specific interaction since Blood Moon saw plenty of play, but then every time an identical situation would come up with new cards, they had the exact same confusion. Jabor fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Jan 4, 2018 |
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Jan 4, 2018 21:53
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C-Euro posted:Super-curious to see how many people try wishboards in Modern, even though I think 4 mana at sorcery speed is too much of a cost. I can see maybe one of them maindeck in esper or grixis or something control as a toolbox card, those are the only long-game decks I can think of who would really benefit from being able to hit their sideboard for an unexpected bonus or grab a singleton wincon.
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Jan 4, 2018 21:54
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Jabor posted:Isn't it a replacement effect? You know, the thing they just changed with the Ixalan rules update so that this interaction does actually work? Lotus Vale's oracle text is: code:
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Jan 4, 2018 21:57
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Y'all missed a recent rule change: 614.12. Some replacement effects modify how a permanent enters the battlefield. ... To determine which replacement effects apply and how they apply, check the characteristics of the permanent as it would exist on the battlefield, taking into account ... continuous effects that already exist and would apply to the permanent. "Lotus Vale’s replacement effect doesn’t apply." https://twitter.com/EliShffrn/status/948991423772221440?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E3
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Jan 4, 2018 22:00
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Lotus Vale's oracle text is: MisterOblivious posted:Y'all missed a recent rule change: $$$$ Dollar bills yo. (of course I didn't buy any) Scorched ruins is especially funny because its a 3$ reserved list card that is about to be 40.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:01
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Lone Goat posted:This was pre-Young Peezy, but the answer then was still Goblin Recruiter. UNBAN GOBLIN RECRUITER!!!! Just let me play him in legacy gobbos.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:01
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AceClown posted:Thank gently caress Aetherworks Marvel is banned. This would be fine with Marvel. It's just a big dude.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:02
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Lotus Vale's oracle text is: That's how it worked before. They literally just changed how this works in the Ixalan rules update. Here's the current text of the relevant rule: 614.12 posted:Some replacement effects modify how a permanent enters the battlefield. (See rules 614.1c-d.) Such effects may come from the permanent itself if they affect only that permanent (as opposed to a general subset of permanents that includes it). They may also come from other sources. To determine which replacement effects apply and how they apply, check the characteristics of the permanent as it would exist on the battlefield, taking into account replacement effects that have already modified how it enters the battlefield (see rule 616.1), continuous effects from the permanent's own static abilities that would apply to it once it's on the battlefield, and continuous effects that already exist and would apply to the permanent.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:03
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The Shortest Path posted:
You are so cute.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:04
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Sickening posted:
i loved that card as a kid, it had a very powerful interaction with twiddle
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Jan 4, 2018 22:06
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lol gently caress off Reprint moon you cowards
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Jan 4, 2018 22:09
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I looked at Lotus Vale earlier today and there were pages and pages of them available and now they are all gone. Oh well
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Jan 4, 2018 22:12
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Alris posted:lol gently caress off They did in MM17 and as an Invocation! Those count because *mouth immediately fills with worms*
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Jan 4, 2018 22:14
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Lotus Vale is gone, which makes "sense" but what is the appeal of Scorched Ruins outside of Eldrazi? Would it add Simian Spirit Guide like it had in Modern to get it out by turn two? (I don't play legacy much so if I'm missing something else busted about it please let me know.)
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Jan 4, 2018 22:25
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How bad does Blood Sun gently caress over the older formats like legacy and vintage? Does it make the diamond mana decks stronger?InterrupterJones posted:Lotus Vale is gone, which makes "sense" but what is the appeal of Scorched Ruins outside of Eldrazi? Would it add Simian Spirit Guide like it had in Modern to get it out by turn two? A land that taps for 4 colorless that comes into play untapped is loving powerful in about any deck. The issue is the setup I guess.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:26
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Sickening posted:How bad does Blood Sun gently caress over the older formats like legacy and vintage? Does it make the diamond mana decks stronger? 8 moons is pretty happy about turn 1 moons that shut off fetches, improve their City of Traitors, and also cantrip
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Jan 4, 2018 22:28
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TheKingofSprings posted:8 moons is pretty happy about turn 1 moons that shut off fetches, improve their City of Traitors, and also cantrip Yeah, but at the cost of having to change the name of the deck. 
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Jan 4, 2018 22:30
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TheKingofSprings posted:8 moons is pretty happy about turn 1 moons that shut off fetches, improve their City of Traitors, and also cantrip That makes sense, and it also seems to shut down Lands if it hits.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:30
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InterrupterJones posted:That makes sense, and it also seems to shut down Lands if it hits. One fun interaction is that you can play Depths under a Sun, then blow it up and get your 20/20.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:33
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As a Lands player, this card scares me a little bit. I doubt it'll see the extensive play Blood Moon does because it's not great against most decks. But man; there's going to be that ONE GUY that doesnt want to lose to Lands that packs a playset and ruins my day
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Jan 4, 2018 22:39
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Cards about to spike Grove of the burnwillows Bounce lands with red in them. All tron cards. Especially r/g tron. If you have them and want to sell them, it should go up very soon. If you are for some reason wanting to build tron, buy now or regret it.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:46
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Walked posted:As a Lands player, this card scares me a little bit. I doubt it'll see the extensive play Blood Moon does because it's not great against most decks. But man; there's going to be that ONE GUY that doesnt want to lose to Lands that packs a playset and ruins my day I don't think it will see play in legacy because of it's interaction with fetches.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:46
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mcmagic posted:I don't think it will see play in legacy because of it's interaction with fetches. Aren't the legacy decks that don't use fetches and ramp the target of this card for use?
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Jan 4, 2018 22:47
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Dragon Stompy/Mono Red Sneak are probably the decks that want it the most.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:51
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Sickening posted:Cards about to spike Oh yeah, that's right, this proactively shuts off Ghost Quarter and Tec Edge, geez
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Jan 4, 2018 22:56
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Sickening posted:Aren't the legacy decks that don't use fetches and ramp the target of this card for use? Why would they play this over blood moon?
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Jan 4, 2018 22:58
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Sickening posted:Cards about to spike  I ddint even think about that with Blood Sun.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:59
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mcmagic posted:Why would they play this over blood moon? It draws a card and makes your lands better instead of turning them into mountains? It also hurts fetch land decks more turning their fetch lands into unusable poo poo.
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Jan 4, 2018 23:00
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Wait how does Blood Sun improve Grove of the Burnwillows?
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Jan 4, 2018 23:00
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Star Man posted:Wait how does Blood Sun improve Grove of the Burnwillows? Its used in modern decks that will want to play it while also just turning into a regular dual land. Even if it doesn't, burnwillows is a staple in g/r tron and its 10 bucks currently. That could turn into 20+ if the deck takes off at all or is speculated.
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Star Man posted:Wait how does Blood Sun improve Grove of the Burnwillows? It doesn't. People are not thinking. The lifegain is PART of the mana ability.
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