s.i.r.e. posted:

You're saying Watto's more of an Italian stereotype than a Jewish one? The hook-nosed alien that loves money more than anything else?

Milky Moor posted:

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Who said he was a stereotype? I'm just saying he's Italian.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I believe this is a good illustration of the concept of "Moebian pre-sexuality", i.e. SMG's theory of Sonic the Hedgehog and friends not loving.

The Cameo posted:

It also makes this trilogy seem extra awkward because the sexual dynamics in both the original and the prequels are basically the moving force for the entire narrative. This movie keeps waffling between whether it wants to engage in that or not, eventually falls on the side of "naaaaah".

Milky Moor posted:

Blue Star posted:

The fact that Finn is a former stormtrooper should play a WAAAAAY bigger part of the story. But it doesnt. In Episode 7, he just defects pretty much immediately and is immediately a plucky goofy goodguy. He should be struggling more with his "programming", trying to adapt and adjust to a new environment without being a peon in the First Order's war machine. But none of that happens. Instead, he gets along swimmingly with the Resistance right away. There should be more tension, more conflict, more friction, whatever you want to call it.

Anyway, yeah, these movies need way more sex. People made fun of Lucas for the clumsy romantic dialogue in the Prequels but at least Lucas understood that you needed some kind of romance and sexuality. In the OT, Han wanted to get with Princess Leia right away. Even Luke thought she was beautiful when he first saw her, and in Empire Strikes Back he smugly crosses his arms behind his head when she kisses him in front of Han. Leia too has conflicting feelings about Han. He's a scoundrel, he's misogynist, but oh god he's so loving hot. The Prequels had these elements too.

People have said the Rey is asexual because she has more "universal love". Okay, thats fine. But come on, what about everyone else? They had Rose kiss Finn and seemed to show that she was falling for him, but it came too suddenly. It didn't feel real or developed. They didnt even know each other for that long and already she "loves" him? Yeah they went through some poo poo, but it needs time to develop. And you'd think Poe would be a bit of a lady's man or whatever but he doesn't seem attracted to anyone either.

I'm not saying all movies have to have romance or sex but i've always thought Star Wars should have this element of humanity in its stories. A big theme is humanity and individuality versus the Machine and the System. Thats how I've seen it anyway.

BarronsArtGallery posted:

Holdo was a total MILF. I wanted to sex her badly. But now she's dead.

Jonathan Fisk posted:

rey is actually a construct

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Watto can't use an elevator on Saturday so he makes Annie and Shmi carry him around in on a litter.


With Finn I feel like it's a combo of the weird, manic, happy-to-get-a-hug virgin teenager vibe of the acting but also that many of the characters of the sequels exist for no other reason than it would be fun to hang out with them, so that's how he ends up getting shipped with Poe. He doesn't really have any story in particular to tell.

Gonz posted:

Rey is the Matrix?

The Cameo posted:

This is true, Rey/Finn/Poe are somehow even more shallowly drawn than the Lucas archetypal Hero With A Thousand Faces characters, which might be more of a signature of the trends in media that these movies are being made in - exceedingly static cypher characters are what's hot, slates with the only things filling them saying "likes ____, hates ______, wishes they were like _____". They feel expressly designed to be like familiar sitcom characters, where you can read who they are within a few scenes, come back two movies later, and they're just like you remember them.

Jonathan Fisk posted:

more Speed Racer than Matrix

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Did Finn and the character they added to sell more tickets in China kiss? Can't remember.

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Did Finn and the character they added to sell more tickets in China kiss? Can't remember.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

They did, looks like they won't be selling those extra tickets in China.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Rey is agender, not asexual.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

They did, looks like they won't be selling those extra tickets in China.

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Isn't this the sex-negative thread where you can't talk about wanting to gently caress characters?

Edit: Nvm that was the Comic Book Movie thread

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Watto is Italian.


I believe this is a good illustration of the concept of "Moebian pre-sexuality", i.e. SMG's theory of Sonic the Hedgehog and friends not loving.

Gorelab posted:

Look it's super important that Rey end up sleeping with Space Hitler rather than a black man.

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Did Finn and the character they added to sell more tickets in China kiss? Can't remember.

BarronsArtGallery posted:

Are you actually insinuating that Disney doesn't sell sex?

Are you loving kidding me?

The Cameo posted:

Casting a Vietnamese woman to sell more tickets in China sounds like the most White Executive Hollywood Decision Ever.

Hodgepodge posted:

Luke falls in love with Leia only to find out she's his sister. Then her son finds him in his room at night with his "lightsaber" "drawn and ignited." This is actually both being faced with the fear of the incestuous potential in the master/student relationship, but still.

Star Wars is actually the story of a man and woman reincarnated repeatedly incarnated without being able to just gently caress. As Anakin and Padme they love each other but cannot be together and they're told it's wrong to want to gently caress; also Padme's power is not acknowledged. As Luke and Leia they can be together but not love each other sexually; Leia's power is recognized but only informally. Third lifetime in they really want to gently caress and are equally powerful, now it's more their own hang-ups getting in the way than anything else.

Blue Star posted:

Interesting idea, except that the incarnations' lifetimes apparently overlap. Anakin/Vader is still alive when Leia and Luke are alive. Hell, so is Padme, since she doesn't die until after they're born. And Leia and Luke are both still alive when Kylo and Rey are alive. Maybe reincarnation works differently in Star Wars but I've always thought that you had to, y'know, die before you can be reborn.

Unless you werent speaking literally, in which case nevermind.

Hodgepodge posted:

Reincarnation is always at least a little metaphorical.

There was a good episode of some 90s X-Files ripoff that had a cool story about it, though. In it, the cast discovers two guys who are incarnations of the same soul. This leads to one, who is a criminal, escaping jail. Suddenly, the other one's life begins to fall apart, because his karma as the other was not resolved. Luckily, the protagonists bring the two together and explain what they've discovered, and the criminal resolves to pay his debt to society and resolve his issues due to the revelation.

e: One thing to consider is that, all this talk of reincarnation aside, Anakin/Vader is quite literally still alive as a force ghost. My interpretation is that Vader is still showing Ren "the power of the Dark Side." That doesn't mean he wants Ren to follow in his footsteps though. He is just teaching Ren the lessons of his life so that Ren can surpass him by choosing a better path.

The fun thing about metaphysics is that it isn't bound by quaint notions like self-identity and temporal causality.

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Did Finn and the character they added to sell more tickets in China kiss? Can't remember.