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Sic Semper Goon
Mar 1, 2015

Eu tu?

:zaurg:

Switchblade Switcharoo

Nirvikalpa posted:

Does anyone here know a lot of people who do MLMs? I only know four people who do (my aunt who has been chronically unemployed, two people from high school, and weirdly enough my cousin who is a military wife but also earned a Masters in Economics from a pretty good school. But it's apparently a big problem in some circles.

I don't really know her, but one of the managers at work has a Scentsy air freshener disc hanging in her car.

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therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Sic Semper Goon posted:

I don't really know her, but one of the managers at work has a Scentsy air freshener disc hanging in her car.

She may have been bullied into buying one as some party she was forced to go to. I think women must have a much harder time avoiding those stupid Tupperware, Scentsy, etc parties due to social pressures. If one of my friends was throwing one I just wouldn't be able to make it and would eventually say "No, thanks," if they pushed it.

It seems like my wife comes under a lot more pressure from a lot more people to go to them. Luckily we are genuinely busy enough that people believe her when she says she can't make it, but now there are these online parties that don't even involve wine and it odds harder to beg out of those.

SlyFrog
May 16, 2007

What? One name? Who are you, Seal?

KingSlime posted:

In Austin I've specifically been told by staff members that a past broken lease would have disqualified me from renting at my current complex.

Maybe that includes the assumption of non payment rather than just a broken lease with all payments made on time and acct closed out? :shrug:

No, the person flippantly saying "broken leases don't matter" is just an idiot.

There is a registry that landlords use to check whether people have broken leases in the past. It can be extremely difficult to find someone to lease to you if you have previously broken a lease. You generally have to find some individual owner, as the property management companies and such of the world will just reject you out of hand.

I know this, first hand, because I have a friend who broke a lease a few years back (well, she claims she did not really break it, but in any event, the landlord claims she did), and now she can't even get to the explanation stage in trying to find a new apartment. The landlords/management companies just reject her out of hand, because of the broken lease.

She is currently renting from an individual who owns a lovely, poorly kept-up building, in a somewhat sketchy part of town, at a grossly inflated price. She considers herself lucky to have found that, having been just rejected out of hand from so many other places.

I am far from a bleeding heart liberal, but it is one of the things that has opened my eyes to how we do tend to have systems in this country that have the perverse outcome of preventing people from really getting back on their feet. (I don't need to hear the counterpoint about how landlords need to charge extra to protect themselves from the credit risk of someone who has previously displayed a willingness to walk away from a lease. I am aware the issue is nuanced.)

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

therobit posted:

She may have been bullied into buying one as some party she was forced to go to. I think women must have a much harder time avoiding those stupid Tupperware, Scentsy, etc parties due to social pressures. If one of my friends was throwing one I just wouldn't be able to make it and would eventually say "No, thanks," if they pushed it.


The social pressure from this poo poo is insane. All the upper management women at my old office invited me to one of their lularoe parties and I felt an incredible obligation because getting into management is a huge popularity contest and I was trying to raise my profile a bit. I went to the party and felt super awkward but it helped because it let me brush elbows with the uppers.

Barry
Aug 1, 2003

Hardened Criminal

Staryberry posted:

oil educator

lol wtf

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/7oazi3/25_separation_children_and_near_unmanageable_debt/

quote:

Hi All,

I've currently found myself in a position due to poor financial discussions while in a relationship coming to haunt me after we have separated. I always kept our financial orders in a place where I could cover everything with my income (She did not work) however this is proving tougher than expected. I'm unsure on how to proceed and need to get ontop of things before it is too late.

BACKGROUND

I'm 25 years old and I reside in Australia. I have just come out of a 4 year relationship with 2 children, one of which I may be taking on full time in the near future.

I work full-time as a Network Engineer with big possibilities in the industry due to a large amount of exposure occurring in my early career. I fully expect to see an increase in income over the course of 2018.

INCOME

I currently earn $4,563 AUD a month after taxes.

EXPENSES

All expenses below are monthly figures in AUD.

Rent: $2,120
Power & Gas: $240
Car repayment 1: $300
Car repayment 2: $600
Car Insurance 1: $95
Car Insurance 2: $130
Payday Loan: $136 (This is almost due in full, around $800 owing. This carry's 50% interest per annum and has been open for around 14 months :)
Credit Card: $~60 (Currently paying the minimum on this, $2000 owing.)
Internet: $90
Total Expenses just on bills: $3,771 AUD

note; this is just in bills, it does not include groceries, petrol travel for work if required etc etc

I'm beginning to struggle and I'm living basically paycheck to paycheck. I get paid fortnightly and once rent and bills come out, I only have $100-200 left to survive the 2 weeks; sometimes none at all.

My main concern is becoming overcome by this debt, especially If I take full time custody of one of my children.

IDEA

I have been tossing around one idea, however I am unsure on if it is a good one.

I believe I can get close to a $25k AUD loan from the bank at a repayment of around $115 per week for 7 years. With this I could do the following;

Pay off car repayment 1: ~$18k
Sell car 1: ~$13,300 - $15,000
Pay off credit card: $2k
Pay off payday loan: ~2k including interest
Pay portion of car sale back into bank loan
Invest some of it? Is this a good idea?
This would assist in the following;

Remove overhead from other loans, reduce interest. However I enter a 7 year loan, exiting the remaining 5 1/2 years in the car loan.
Reduce my current weekly payment (Just for car, loans, credit card and insurance) to $115 from $150
Provide money to invest or put away encase of emergency
Would anyone please be able to assist or shed some light, I have been terrible with money and I do not trust myself to make sure a large decision by entering another 7 year loan.

Many Thanks,

Luke

edit: formatting

Here's an idea, Luke: don't spend more than 80% of your take home on housing and transportation.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
What was his defense for not just selling the car?

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Barry posted:

lol wtf

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/7oazi3/25_separation_children_and_near_unmanageable_debt/

I work full-time as a Network Engineer with big possibilities in the industry due to a large amount of exposure occurring in my early career. I fully expect to see an increase in income over the course of 2018.

INCOME

I currently earn $4,563 AUD a month after taxes.



That guy has pretty grandiose ideas of his importance or is hilariously underpaid. He should be making basically double that if he's a network engineer.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



When we say breaking a lease are you talking about ditching on it or giving notice and paying the fee agreed on in the lease? It seems dumb to be penalized for following the terms of the lease agreement for early termination of the lease.

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!

SlyFrog posted:

No, the person flippantly saying "broken leases don't matter" is just an idiot.

To be fair, he/she DID say they work in the industry. My experience with apartment industry professionals has given me the impression that they're very often, almost always completely full of poo poo.

Teeter
Jul 21, 2005

Hey guys! I'm having a good time, what about you?

Haifisch posted:

It came from /r/legaladvice:
NEW YORK: Fighting abusive credit card company

Ahhhh yes, the "neener-neener, I'm not listening so you can't do anything to me defense"


Lowness 72
Jul 19, 2006
BUTTS LOL

Jade Ear Joe

Teeter posted:

Ahhhh yes, the "neener-neener, I'm not listening so you can't do anything to me defense"




I think alot of people in the best of legal advice were thinking that was a troll.

Lowness 72 fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jan 5, 2018

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

Teeter posted:

Ahhhh yes, the "neener-neener, I'm not listening so you can't do anything to me defense"



aka the Sovcit Defense. "Are my wages being detained?!"

kimbo305 posted:

What was his defense for not just selling the car?

OP posted:

I wish! Car 2 has a payout figure of $34k.

I cannot get approve for this if I tried. I think i would be lucky to be approved for 25k

EDIT

On second thoughts...

Current avg weekly payments for loans and car 2: $240
With a $35k loan and car 2 + loans paid off: $165 a week (Based on online calculator with the bank)
Ideally.. this is the best option. However I'm doubtful that I could be approved for such a high amount with my rent and other bills =\
But later:

quote:

So i have done some work to my idea and think I have found the possible way out, any input would be awesome.

LOAN AMOUNT: $35,000 (If Approved)

PLAN

Pay off car 2: $34,000
Sell car 2: Approx. $22-28,000
Pay payday loan ~$1-2,000
Pay CC: $2000
Pay other expenses: $1,000
Pay off car 1: $18,000
Left over: $1-6k

Repayments before: $1152/m
Repayments after: $650/m (According to banks loan calculator)
Remaining debts: 1

Is this worth entering a 7 year, variable rate loan for?
So OP seems to be open to the idea, at least.

Teeter
Jul 21, 2005

Hey guys! I'm having a good time, what about you?

Lowness 72 posted:

I think alot of people in the best of legal advice we're thinking that was a troll.

Yeah, I've just finished reading through the rest of the comments and I've come to the same conclusion. For my own sanity, I choose to believe that nobody that stupid and hardheaded actually exists in this world.

Then again, SovCit.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

SlyFrog posted:

No, the person flippantly saying "broken leases don't matter" is just an idiot.

There is a registry that landlords use to check whether people have broken leases in the past. It can be extremely difficult to find someone to lease to you if you have previously broken a lease. You generally have to find some individual owner, as the property management companies and such of the world will just reject you out of hand.

I know this, first hand, because I have a friend who broke a lease a few years back (well, she claims she did not really break it, but in any event, the landlord claims she did), and now she can't even get to the explanation stage in trying to find a new apartment. The landlords/management companies just reject her out of hand, because of the broken lease.

She is currently renting from an individual who owns a lovely, poorly kept-up building, in a somewhat sketchy part of town, at a grossly inflated price. She considers herself lucky to have found that, having been just rejected out of hand from so many other places.

I am far from a bleeding heart liberal, but it is one of the things that has opened my eyes to how we do tend to have systems in this country that have the perverse outcome of preventing people from really getting back on their feet. (I don't need to hear the counterpoint about how landlords need to charge extra to protect themselves from the credit risk of someone who has previously displayed a willingness to walk away from a lease. I am aware the issue is nuanced.)

It depends what you mean by "breaking a lease". There's provisions for leaving a lease such as an early termination fee because it happens all the time. What does get reported is if you don't pay the remaining balance/fees. The landlord might have said she broke the lease, and then reported the lack of payment for an early termination fee. Now if she just flat out abandoned the property and the landlord evicted her, then it shows up in public records.

Harry fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jan 5, 2018

SlyFrog
May 16, 2007

What? One name? Who are you, Seal?

Harry posted:

It depends what you mean by "breaking a lease". There's provisions for leaving a lease such as an early termination fee because it happens all the time. What does get reported is if you don't pay the remaining balance/fees. The landlord might have said she broke the lease, and then reported the lack of payment for an early termination fee. Now if she just flat out abandoned the property and the landlord evicted her, then it shows up in public records.

You're not really breaking a lease (or a contract) if you follow the terms of a contract and pay out the amounts owed allowing you to terminate. I'm not sure why anyone would consider that breaking a lease. It's just exercising an early termination right under the lease agreement.

In her case, I think there was a bit of fault on each party's part. Her story is a bit hazy to me (it's been a while), but essentially boils down to her leaving with a month or so to go, and not giving proper notice. At the same time, landlord apparently was an absolute fucker, and kept both the full security deposit and the extra month's rent. There was no damage to the property. So the landlord was really made whole (he did not lose anything, since he kept both the deposit and the month's rent paid up front), but the lease was technically broken, since she did not give notice and did not pay the technical rent payments. Her story is that the landlord did that slimy game where he pronounced the lease in default, and then used the lease agreement to assess "late charges" on the rent owed, such that the security deposit did not cover the entire amount of the late charges, etc.

She was in financial distress, and did not have a lot of choice (per her). The landlord seems slimy as gently caress, and (surprise) was basically looking for any excuse to keep the the full security deposit and still somehow claim late fees were owed. Basically, neither side covered themselves in glory here.

But the important point is that it counted as a broken lease on the records, and now she is hosed for finding a new place easily. One of the problems with the records is that they are not all government record systems where there is a process for disputing them. My understanding is that landlords use certain private record systems (pay per search) as well. She shows up on those, and gets denied, without a whole lot of ability to do anything about it.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Well I was going to relate the story of the guy I met at a festival over new years who was investing in cryptocurrencies to try and beat the interest on his $40K of student loans. It was pretty classic crypto-koolaid. "At this stage in my life, I'm just paying the interest on the loan and not even touching the principle, so I have nothing to lose." "I only need to make better than 5% returns to come out ahead." "I'm investing in a diverse portfolio of cryptocoins."


... but now, a few days later, he's texted me to say that he's listened to several people expressing concern about this, and is going to do something more sensible with his money. (Which I hope is putting every spare cent into the loans, but who knows?)

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

H110Hawk posted:

That guy has pretty grandiose ideas of his importance or is hilariously underpaid. He should be making basically double that if he's a network engineer.

What? $4,500 monthly after australian taxes equates to something like $80,000 AUD a year. For a 25 year old (IE, he doesn't have 10+ years of experience) that is pretty much what you'd expect.

He's just really bad with money.

FateFree
Nov 14, 2003

SlyFrog posted:

I am far from a bleeding heart liberal, but it is one of the things that has opened my eyes to how we do tend to have systems in this country that have the perverse outcome of preventing people from really getting back on their feet. (I don't need to hear the counterpoint about how landlords need to charge extra to protect themselves from the credit risk of someone who has previously displayed a willingness to walk away from a lease. I am aware the issue is nuanced.)

I can tell you firsthand in many states the law favors the renters over landlords to an absurd degree. The first (and only) time I rented out my apartment the tenant refused to pay or leave for 4 months, and the only way I could get him out was to pay HIM for a month of hotel expenses to leave.

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
I hate to be the bad guy, but we don't need to go over the finer points of rental law in Texas, and we don't need to hear about your relatives buying you too many Wonderhangers.
Though if they bought you a horse, please :justpost:

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.

Lockback posted:

What? $4,500 monthly after australian taxes equates to something like $80,000 AUD a year. For a 25 year old (IE, he doesn't have 10+ years of experience) that is pretty much what you'd expect.

He's just really bad with money.

80k AUD is more like 62k USD, and living costs in Aus are higher than the US.

But he's insistent on a plan with a personal, uncollateralized loan, which is stupid because those interest rates are going to be massive compared to his car loan (though probably less than his CC and payday loan). He should just sell the car, pay off those two loans, and re-evaluate, especially if he's going to be taking on a child.

feller
Jul 5, 2006


totalnewbie posted:

80k AUD is more like 62k USD, and living costs in Aus are higher than the US.

But he's insistent on a plan with a personal, uncollateralized loan, which is stupid because those interest rates are going to be massive compared to his car loan (though probably less than his CC and payday loan). He should just sell the car, pay off those two loans, and re-evaluate, especially if he's going to be taking on a child.

Sorry for my ignorance, can he sell the car without repaying the car loan?

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
Where does he get the title from?

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.

Senor Dog posted:

Sorry for my ignorance, can he sell the car without repaying the car loan?

Oh, right, I wasn't thinking clearly. Welp.

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

FateFree posted:

I can tell you firsthand in many states the law favors the renters over landlords to an absurd degree. The first (and only) time I rented out my apartment the tenant refused to pay or leave for 4 months, and the only way I could get him out was to pay HIM for a month of hotel expenses to leave.

It completely depends upon the state and locality. Extremely tenant friendly laws, which in some locations give a tenant more or less permanent rights to continue renting a property forever with a rent board dictating the future rent, have the very unfortunate effect of driving marginal affordable rental units out of the housing market. As you experienced firsthand, why would you rent a room in your house or an apartment over your garage if it was difficult and terribly expensive to remove a tenant who didn't pay rent, and virtually impossible for any other reason?

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

SlyFrog posted:

No, the person flippantly saying "broken leases don't matter" is just an idiot.

There is a registry that landlords use to check whether people have broken leases in the past. It can be extremely difficult to find someone to lease to you if you have previously broken a lease. You generally have to find some individual owner, as the property management companies and such of the world will just reject you out of hand.

I know this, first hand, because I have a friend who broke a lease a few years back (well, she claims she did not really break it, but in any event, the landlord claims she did), and now she can't even get to the explanation stage in trying to find a new apartment. The landlords/management companies just reject her out of hand, because of the broken lease.

She is currently renting from an individual who owns a lovely, poorly kept-up building, in a somewhat sketchy part of town, at a grossly inflated price. She considers herself lucky to have found that, having been just rejected out of hand from so many other places.

I am far from a bleeding heart liberal, but it is one of the things that has opened my eyes to how we do tend to have systems in this country that have the perverse outcome of preventing people from really getting back on their feet. (I don't need to hear the counterpoint about how landlords need to charge extra to protect themselves from the credit risk of someone who has previously displayed a willingness to walk away from a lease. I am aware the issue is nuanced.)

I don't know exactly where you live but there is no such thing as a master tenant broken lease registry or anything, at least as far as I have ever heard of. Evidence of undesirable tenant behavior comes from court records, including eviction complaints and judgements, as well as credit reports and criminal records. Breaking a lease per se does not automatically create a paper trail.

There ARE local tenant blacklists which are curated from court records, especially in NYC, and sold to landlords, but many more things than just breaking a lease can land you on those lists, including virtually any involvement for any reason in a landlord tenant court lawsuit.

Trustworthy
Dec 28, 2004

with catte-like thread
upon our prey we steal

CannonFodder posted:

$200 in tolls probably means they take express lanes every day to skip the traffic, unlike NY/NJ or Chicago where the whole highway is tolled.

Still doesn't explain where the giant settlement came from.

A public highway having an explicit "rich people get to drive faster" lane is maybe the most Texas thing I've ever heard

Trustworthy fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Jan 6, 2018

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004
It's in DC as well

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
The interstate I use in Atlanta is about to get them and gently caress yeah I ordered a pass. I may get the guillotine, but I'm not sitting in traffic while I'm getting there.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

Trustworthy posted:

A public highway having an explicit "rich people get to drive faster" lane is maybe the most Texas thing I've ever heard

Poors have nowhere to be so why let them slow down productive people?

blackmet
Aug 5, 2006

I believe there is a universal Truth to the process of doing things right (Not that I have any idea what that actually means).

Trustworthy posted:

A public highway having an explicit "rich people get to drive faster" lane is maybe the most Texas thing I've ever heard

That's most highways in Colorado.

Eventually, there will even be a toll lane to get you from the southern suburbs to Colorado Springs via I-25. Only way they can afford to build the 3rd lane in each direction.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Trustworthy posted:

A public highway having an explicit "rich people get to drive faster" lane is maybe the most Texas thing I've ever heard

lol drive in jersey some time

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.

mandatory lesbian posted:

lol drive in jersey some time

Being from Boston, I was like what's the problem? :confused:

Trustworthy
Dec 28, 2004

with catte-like thread
upon our prey we steal
Maybe if I think of them as toll roads with a subsidized free lane for the poor I can convince myself that the concept isn't some evil capitalist dystopian poo poo


(but probably not)

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Trustworthy posted:

Maybe if I think of them as toll roads with a subsidized free lane for the poor

Marketing at Comcast is taking notes furiously.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



blackmet posted:

That's most highways in Colorado.

Eventually, there will even be a toll lane to get you from the southern suburbs to Colorado Springs via I-25. Only way they can afford to build the 3rd lane in each direction.

Yeah. People constantly vote against increasing taxes on gas or anything else that would give the department of transportation more money, so they’ve installed toll lanes in a lot of parts of Denver to make some money. A stretch of I-70 on the Western slope too, but I haven’t seen it anywhere else.

Probably not coincidentally the interstate outside of Denver has a shitload of potholes.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Trustworthy posted:

A public highway having an explicit "rich people get to drive faster" lane is maybe the most Texas thing I've ever heard

Lots of states have tollways. If you want to get from Philadelphia to Harrisburg, there are all sorts of public roads you can take. Or you can take the Turnpike, aka the "rich people get to drive faster" road. I'm not sure what the meaningful difference is between that and a toll lane on a non-toll highway.

last laugh
Feb 11, 2004

NOOOTHING!

Phanatic posted:

Lots of states have tollways. If you want to get from Philadelphia to Harrisburg, there are all sorts of public roads you can take. Or you can take the Turnpike, aka the "rich people get to drive faster" road. I'm not sure what the meaningful difference is between that and a toll lane on a non-toll highway.

I'm also not sure subsidizing massive interstates and encouraging sprawl actually helps the poor. The government. BWM. [/derail]

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
Guys, can we please think of all the poor municipal bond holders that would be affected if we just got rid of the tollway system?

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.

22 Eargesplitten posted:

Yeah. People constantly vote against increasing taxes on gas or anything else that would give the department of transportation more money, so they’ve installed toll lanes in a lot of parts of Denver to make some money. A stretch of I-70 on the Western slope too, but I haven’t seen it anywhere else.

Probably not coincidentally the interstate outside of Denver has a shitload of potholes.

Be like Massachusetts and have the governor give you a choice between raising the gas tax or tolls, pick tolls, then have the gas tax raised too. And still have the worst roads in the country.
Do we have a "that's government" smiley?

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Blinkman987
Jul 10, 2008

Gender roles guilt me into being fat.
In LA, buying a toll transponder is the best thing I've ever done. I don't use the combination carpool lane/toll lane during rush hour where it can be upwards of $10+ to use it, but during the weekends I'll pay $0.90 to avoid even a few minutes of traffic jam. And if you have 2+ people and a transponder, you can set your transponder to car pool mode and the use of the lane is free. In OC, the toll road is the only reasonable way to get to Riverside county, but Riverside sucks anyways so w/e

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