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FrankZP posted:The meat cleaver dipshits are probably low-expense troops intended to spook civilians. It's not like you need a platoon of bombards to shake-down the average colony outpost for valuables. Besides, depending on the state of Grineer biotech and on material availability, it's entirely possible they can pump out soldiers faster than they can manufacture firearms, and it might even take fewer resources to grow a basic grunt and put a knife in his hands than to build just one gun. Also If you take into account the whole "Grinner degenerate" because they are copies of copies of failed genetic molds maybe the butcher units are so dumb that a melee weapon is all they can operate.
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Dr Cheeto posted:When people talk about the left side do they mean the Meridian, the Arbiters, and Suda? Why does that seem more popular? Steel Meridian sends Eximus Roller squads at you.
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Pacifist capitalists are good friends  I am much more apathetic about edgelord assassin cult and human supremacists.
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Count Uvula posted:Presumably because everybody on the right side sucks. Steel Meridian seems to be the most common syndicate people choose and they've got the most likable motives and leader. Amusingly, when I heard the initial Steel Meridian recruitment pitch, I reminded me ISIS, Hamas, etc. Publicly, at least, those groups are all "This war's chewin' up the weak and innocent. No one stands up for them but [us]." And Perrin reminded me of Space Libertarians.
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gaj70 posted:Amusingly, when I heard the initial Steel Meridian recruitment pitch, I reminded me ISIS, Hamas, etc. Publicly, at least, those groups are all "This war's chewin' up the weak and innocent. No one stands up for them but [us]." Except we have no instance where Steel Meridian attack or oppress anyone who is not of Grineer empire. Instead we see them more often trying to save Grineer defectors. Perrin is not libertarian since they don't have any obsession with securing their property from authorities. They're space capitalists but uses less violence to make a profit. New Loka and Red Veil are space fascists. Suda is just another autistic digital person. Hexis is... I guess space weaboos are most correct.
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Can someone give me a brief synopsis of "waybound" and focus poo poo? Does that mean that I can only have whatever skills from the tree I have lenses on active at any given time or....?
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gaj70 posted:Amusingly, when I heard the initial Steel Meridian recruitment pitch, I reminded me ISIS, Hamas, etc. Publicly, at least, those groups are all "This war's chewin' up the weak and innocent. No one stands up for them but [us]." My dog Cressa Tal out here trying to rehabilitate motherfucking ghouls and you're tryna to say she's Osama bin Laden
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Don't forget that with some work you can max out four syndicates. The two enemies of your favorite faction are the only ones that you can't really involve yourself with. The standing loss from working with your main faction's ally's rivals has to end up somewhere. For example, if your main is Steel Meridian, you gain Red Veil juice for free without losing standing with the Veil's enemies, which are Hexis and Suda. Once you're maxed out with the Veil without ever doing any missions for them, you can do all the Hexis/Suda missions you want, as long as you pay attention to how your Veil standing is decreasing to ensure you don't lower it enough to drop a tier. Then you keep working for the Meridian to fill up your Veil standing again, and so on and so forth. FrankZP fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:Can someone give me a brief synopsis of "waybound" and focus poo poo? Does that mean that I can only have whatever skills from the tree I have lenses on active at any given time or....? Yeah I could use an explainer too. It is super confusing.
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At a high level, you pick a primary school and that's the one you get the perks from. Waybound operator perk stuff is an exception. Once you max it out, you can cash in an eidolon core to have it be permanent no matter what school you have selected. For Fashionframe purposes, you get the animation set once you unlock a given school.
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Echophonic posted:At a high level, you pick a primary school and that's the one you get the perks from. Waybound operator perk stuff is an exception. Once you max it out, you can cash in an eidolon core to have it be permanent no matter what school you have selected. But what does "waybound" even mean? There's no explanation anywhere that I could find.
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he1ixx posted:But what does "waybound" even mean? There's no explanation anywhere that I could find. Waybound is just the word for the operator perks you can make permanent. The term in itself doesn't actually make any sense to me, either.
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he1ixx posted:But what does "waybound" even mean? There's no explanation anywhere that I could find. Zenurik/Madurai/Unairu/etc. are alternatively called Ways. An ability that is Waybound is one that can be unbinded from its original School/Way and activated in any of them. Echophonic posted:Waybound is just the word for the operator perks you can make permanent. The term in itself doesn't actually make any sense to me, either. Yeah, you would think that Waybound would refer to the skills that you can't use cross class, but 
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I mean, I guess it's a skill you're permanently binding to yourself via the Way? Regardless, I'm probably never going to get any, given how annoying collecting that much focus is. Oh yeah, is there a good Eidolon hunting guide kicking around? I want to get started on that and get a new Amp.
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I just sighed in defeat when I found out you need 1,000,000 focus to waybound a skill. The eidolon part is no big deal, but it took a week just to get the 490,000 of its previous level. But focus they want to be a very long term grind, and I think it has gotten close to that. I'd like to be able to hit the daily cap without making a special effort for it and just be limited on real world time. I believe that the points needed to level up skills is much more reasonable nowadays, and you would still be limited by the cap to where it would take a week to max out a skill if reaching the cap all the time. I'd like them to implement a massive bonus to focus gain when using an amp/operator. Like 50% of all affinity gets turned into focus. That would convince me to hop out more often.
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Dr Cheeto posted:My dog Cressa Tal out here trying to rehabilitate motherfucking ghouls and you're tryna to say she's Osama bin Laden You need to read between the lines to understand who and what they really are; they're not going to say it outright. The intellectual development of a SM recruit probably goes like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU gaj70 fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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FrankZP posted:Don't forget that with some work you can max out four syndicates. IMO right side is better because (unless something has changed) augments have the best return in terms of plat/rep, and the demand for Vampire Leech and Eternal War is bottomless.
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I picked the right side because it had the augments for the frames I play.
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Echophonic posted:I picked the right side because it had the augments for the frames I play. I think I joined some horrible murder cult because they offer a weapon I want, yeah. I could not begin to care about the syndicate lore or anything other than their offering pages. 
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I picked left side because steel meridian seemed like the rare non-assholes of the universe and having unlimited shield ospreys from suda is handy It's been pretty trivial to trade for right side stuff with goons though, unless it's like weird off-hours there's usually someone who needs something to swap for
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New Loka are pricks and red veil sucks hard cause they try to assassinate my defection objectives which gets you on my permanent poo poo list
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ZeusCannon posted:Just started playing this again and wow it feels waay smoother. I do have one question will i ever have to stop using the bow because i really dont want to. Its hilarious. For eggs box action either myself or Lightning Knight are often on, but there's no organised goon clan or anything. You're welcome to join mine if you don't have one already, it's got 99% of poo poo already researched (gently caress Hema). If you see me on (gt: NumptyScrub) hit me up I'm happy to taxi noobs around for farming or missions  Also thirding the Lenz, it is seriously the coolest dumb idea for a bow ever.
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OneEightHundred posted:Yeah except the efficiency of doing that is so low that there's really no point in doing it except to prove a point. Most of the syndicate items can be traded, and it's faster to just switch sides to get the ones you can't and then switch back than try maxing out 4 factions. Eh, depends on your priorities I guess. I prefer having a wider variety of stuff available at one time, earning faction standing is trivial, and the amount of enjoyment I get out of my day to day life is inversely proportional to the amount of MMO trading I have to do.
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"We believe that profit can be made without violence", says the faction that sends assassins after me literally every single day. Red Veil and New Loka were also awful in Harrow/Titania's quest. Meanwhile the Meridian is cool, Suda was great in Octavia's quest, and Hexis are a bunch of fellow Tenno. gently caress the right side.
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Suda is my fun science friend and the shield ospreys are surprisingly useful. The one downside is that I really wish I could buy a stack of Ancient Healers from Loka, because that armor buff is pretty sweet.
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It's not super clear what the arbiters are besides huge tenno wannabes since they're the only faction without a quest still
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Hexis are basically a bunch of Tenno supremacists that wear silly hats and ramble about "truth" and "honor" and are obsessed with swords and always talk like anime villains and oh my god my primary syndicate is the alt-right isn't it 
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gaj70 posted:Amusingly, when I heard the initial Steel Meridian recruitment pitch, I reminded me ISIS, Hamas, etc. Publicly, at least, those groups are all "This war's chewin' up the weak and innocent. No one stands up for them but [us]." There's literally no in text evidence to support this read, is the problem. Steel Meridian are deserters, at great personal risk, from a fascist empire who thereafter basically operate like the historical Knights Templar in space. DoombatINC posted:Hexis are basically a bunch of Tenno supremacists that wear silly hats and ramble about "truth" and "honor" and are obsessed with swords and always talk like anime villains and oh my god my primary syndicate is the alt-right isn't it What? No, Hexis are ascetic transhumanists. They're space monks who believe the Tenno represent the next stage in human evolution. The right side factions really have very little redeeming characteristics. New Loka are fundamentalists who seem to have inherited a warped version of the Orokin genetic caste system ideology, Red Veil are the actual faction that could be compared to ISIS, and Perrin are space capitalists. Capitalism always betrays you in the end. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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Johnny Joestar posted:meridian and hexis are the only ones without dedicated frame quests yet Clemframe 2018?
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Quirkk posted:Clemframe 2018? Khora is most likely going to be the Steel Meridian questframe, given that she's got the Kavat summoner thing going on. No idea what to expect from Hexis though. They're last in line.
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DoombatINC posted:Hexis are basically a bunch of Tenno supremacists that wear silly hats and ramble about "truth" and "honor" and are obsessed with swords and always talk like anime villains and oh my god my primary syndicate is the alt-right isn't it No, New Loka are the literal blood and soil faction. From the Codex: quote:Only through restoration of a pure humanity and the repopulation of Earth can the conflict end. The New Loka are worshippers of the human form and Earth, before its corruption. From Wikipedia: quote:Blood and soil (German: Blut und Boden) is a slogan expressing the nineteenth-century German idealization of a racially defined national body ("blood") united with a settlement area ("soil"). By it, rural and farm life forms are not only idealized as a counterweight to urban ones, but are also combined with racist and anti-Semitic ideas of a sedentary Germanic-Nordic peasantry as opposed to (specifically Jewish) nomadism.
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Captain Oblivious posted:What? No, Hexis are ascetic transhumanists. They're space monks who believe the Tenno represent the next stage in human evolution. Tomato, tomahto their vision of the singularity has fewer TED Talks, they're still truthers that own too many torches and pictures of swordsAlso "they're not Tenno supremacists, they just believe their race is the most advanced" is maybe not a point in their favor
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New Loka's beliefs also take on a different light when you recall that the Orokin Empire was heavily stratified with a genetic engineering based caste system, with the upper echelons of society being less overtly modified in form (they tend to be beautiful, symmetrical in features) but in fact highly genetically engineered to be as they were, with most Orokin technology responding to induced genetic markers to determine who could and could not use it. The lower castes of Orokin society were frequently visibly modified, and held in disdain by the aristocracy for it who would claim themselves to be more natural and pure. What I'm getting at here is that New Loka are probably descendants of the lower rungs of Orokin nobility. DoombatINC posted:Tomato, tomahto What does this even mean. Also uh, Hexis' arguments are kind of hard to compare to any real world ideologues when Hexis' claims have actual basis in fact. The Tenno are superhuman. Also I'm starting to think people are confused: Arbiters of Hexis are not, themselves, Tenno. They're normal humans. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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Also, to be fair, their belief system could have changed slightly after a certain quest, if Amaryn (I think that's the name of their leader) was being honest about her future actions.
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e: Just for some more fun New Loka bits, here's what they say when they try to kill you:quote:"The impure, the unworthy have no future."  DoombatINC posted:Tomato, tomahto The Arbiters of Hexis are not themselves Tenno, though, and so far their philosophy has been pretty on point. Their whole schtick is that the Orokin were wasting the potential of the Tenno by making them mindless soldiers, and that by ditching the idea that they exist only to fight they could turn their talents to other purposes and maybe even figure out what's going on with the void. I can totally see them being evil, though, but so far in game they seem alright. turn off the TV fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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Dr Cheeto posted:My dog Cressa Tal out here trying to rehabilitate motherfucking ghouls and you're tryna to say she's Osama bin Laden Cressa Tal is real and strong and she is my friend
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I think the best way to look at the various syndicates is a left to right scale of progressivism to reactionaryism. Steel Meridian are violent revolutionaries, the Arbiters of Hexis want the Tenno to change the system, Suda just wants to scan things, the Perrin Sequence wants to a peaceful return to order, the Red Veil want a violent return to order, and New Loka wants the ethnic cleansing of genetically modified humans and lebensraum.
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