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Onmi posted:I'm also Eh on his Green Lantern. He had some interesting concepts for Kyle, but making Nero when Effigy was right there (And better in my opinion) and the change of Kyle's personality never sat well with me. I also hate the new costume, but I'm not sure that was so much his fault. I did not like his GL at all. And his Green Arrow was very meh
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I actually enjoyed Winnick's run for the most part, but that is because it had great art going with it.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:he never saw him as nothing more than a villain. Most people still do. And I preferred him that way (Or Dead). The fact that Batman tolerates and is willing to work with him is pretty much unfathomable.
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hiddenriverninja posted:Alfred would rather die than not see Bruce married I mean a Aunt May probably felt the same but lol side characters getting agency.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Most people still do. And I preferred him that way (Or Dead). Not really. People who still see him as a murderer are the minority now. For the rest he's the snarky jerk with a heart of gold of the Batfamily with a dash of cool dad thanks to his current relationship with Bizarro.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Not really. People who still see him as a murderer are the minority now. For the rest he's the snarky jerk with a heart of gold of the Batfamily with a dash of cool dad thanks to his current relationship with Bizarro. Nah.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Fart fart fart fart fart fart fffffaaaaaaarrrrrrrttttttt Please go on.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Not really. People who still see him as a murderer are the minority now. For the rest he's the snarky jerk with a heart of gold of the Batfamily with a dash of cool dad thanks to his current relationship with Bizarro. Sounds like a fun character, what series is he in?
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Tom King has really done a lot to rehabilitate red hood, admittedly
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Mr Hootington posted:Please go on. drat! sounds like someone needs to go take a doodoo
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Roth posted:Sounds like a fun character, what series is he in? Roth we are NO LONGER FRIENDS
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Roth posted:Sounds like a fun character, what series is he in? You can find him in Batman: Death in the family
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Tom King has really done a lot to rehabilitate red hood, admittedly By not using him?
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But I just think that character sounds like fun. It's not like I'm asking to read Red Hood or anything 
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Teenage Fansub posted:By not using him? Look Jason getting his fries jokerized and remarking how he should be offended but drat it they're delicious is probably literally red hoods best single moment ever
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Teenage Fansub posted:By not using him? Wrong  
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Jan 5, 2018 22:46
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Like the version of red hood that's this sort of really darkly fatalistic but in a humorous way, relatively relaxed dude who maybe stops killing people all the loving time and actually enjoys hanging out with his adopted brothers is a version of red hood I can like.
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The best thing they could do with Red Hood would be either to make him into Travis Touchdown, or to make him an older dude that's really embarrassed by how much of an edgelord he used to be.
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Roth posted:Wrong Roth we ARE FRIENDS AGAIN
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Not really. People who still see him as a murderer are the minority now. For the rest he's the snarky jerk with a heart of gold of the Batfamily with a dash of cool dad thanks to his current relationship with Bizarro. But he does murder people, it's his whole gimmick. Even in the series you like!
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hiddenriverninja posted:jason must die Good news!
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I've just read the 10-book run that started with the Court of Owls. My main Batman history: Year One Dark Knight Returns Long Halloween (of course I'm gonna get the follow up 'Dark Victory') various other random Bat books but I'm tired of listing. I haven't read any current stuff besides my first mention. That's my primary interest. Any reccomendations are welcome. I prefer the darker stuff over the 'Boom, Biff' style.
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The Matt Wagner books Batman and the Monster Men and Batman and the Mad Monk are updates of some of the grim pulpy stories from the 40s, highly recommended. They also take place right after Year One and follow the relationship between Batman and Jim Gordon as it develops. Read The Cult! It's loving cool as hell and Batman gets absolutely torn apart and has to rebuild his mind after being tortured and brainwashed for weeks. Incredible artwork by Bernie Wrightson. The early Legends of the Dark Knight stories are great for this feel too. Gothic, Venom, Going Sane. If you liked Court of Owls read Snyder's older Batman stories like Black Mirror and Gates of Gotham too.
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HoneyBakedMAN posted:I've just read the 10-book run that started with the Court of Owls. My main Batman history: Track down Moench/Kelly's Batman run. Lament that very little of it is in trade form. Celebrate that you manage to track down the issues in floppy/digital and be happy that you read some darker Batman stories that aren't stupid.
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purple death ray posted:The Matt Wagner books Batman and the Monster Men and Batman and the Mad Monk are updates of some of the grim pulpy stories from the 40s, highly recommended. They also take place right after Year One and follow the relationship between Batman and Jim Gordon as it develops. I agree with these recommendations, especially The Cult and Gothic. I loving love both of them. drat, now I have to re-read The Cult.
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CharlestheHammer posted:But he does murder people, it's his whole gimmick. He hasn't killed anyone on Rebirth.
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Lots of nice recs. Thanks guys. 2018 is gonna be a bat bonanza.
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HoneyBakedMAN posted:I've just read the 10-book run that started with the Court of Owls. My main Batman history: You read the entirety of Snyder's N52 run? If you read all those comics I would highly highly HIGHLY recommend you read Morrison's Batman run.
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Actually, also read Rucka's Detective Comics (especially post NML). Brubaker's Batman run isn't too bad either.
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Some links to the books you guys are talking about would be helpful. I don't know any of these names.
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Batman Cult Moench Batman Rucka Detective Comics Brubaker Batman
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Don't forget the other Rucka Detective Comics  https://www.amazon.com/Batwoman-Elegy-GREG-RUCKA-ebook/dp/B009POHJCO/ref=sr_1_1 edit: Newer edition with more content, but more expensive. https://www.amazon.com/Batwoman-Williams-Detective-Comics-1937-2011-ebook/dp/B071G8Y8ZV/ref=sr_1_1 Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Thanks buddies. Edit: 'Cult' immediately jumped out at me so I ordered that one. I plan to check these all out eventually. HoneyBakedMAN fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Like I know people go to "Murders people all the time" but Jason actually mentioned a while ago how he'd changed to rubber bullets. So he actually murders remarkably little now. I mean saying this is literally worthless since everyone's already made up their minds, but I figured I'd just get it out there.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:You read the entirety of Snyder's N52 run? Can you recommend a book/books collecting Morrison's run? As I've said, I'm not familiar with the creative talent.
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It's a decade long run over several titles. It starts here: https://www.amazon.com/Batman-Son-New-Grant-Morrison/dp/1401244025 But DC are going to start collecting the whole thing in a series of omnibuses later this year, which will be much easier to follow. https://www.amazon.com/Batman-Grant-Morrison-Omnibus-Vol/dp/1401282997 They'll be giant and hardcover though, so maybe just read the first trade to see if you're interested in going further. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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HoneyBakedMAN posted:Can you recommend a book/books collecting Morrison's run? As I've said, I'm not familiar with the creative talent. Be prepared for the most convoluted reading order ever. https://comicsastonish.com/2012/01/04/a-readers-guide-to-grant-morrisons-batman/ Do read Black Casebook if you've never read those issues before, you don't have to read 52. If you're reading in trades here's the reading order: The Black Casebook Batman and Son: New Edition Batman R.I.P. Final Crisis (New Edition) Time and the Batman Batman and Robin vol. 1 Batman and Robin vol. 2 The Return of Bruce Wayne Batman and Robin vol. 3 Batman, Incorporated volume 1* *: The New 52 occurs after this trade, so you'll need to remember what the new canon going into the N52 is for: Batman, Incorporated volume 1 (N52) Batman, Incorporated volume 2 (N52)
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Reading the black casebook is really really helpful in understanding Morrison's run. I didn't do it the first time and it was really distracting how many things felt out of place or random. I found it incomprehensible to be honest.
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