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ManofManyAliases posted:Does it? If it boils down to around 20% royalties at the time of the agreement and they were around 30m in we're looking at 6 mil + "damages." And I'm talking a settlement here, not a judgement. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/55627/crytek-receive-500m-investment-turkish-gov/index.html
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Chalks posted:What do you mean "at the time of the agreement"? Well, up until the time of the LY switch. We also don't know what termination clauses were attached to this agreement, and whether or not CryTek upheld their bargain to have their developers made available for support (which, appears was not the case since CIG literally had to hire half of them).
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ManofManyAliases posted:Does it? If it boils down to around 20% royalties at the time of the agreement and they were around 30m in we're looking at 6 mil + "damages." I don't know the history of the Star Citizen timeline. When was the agreement with Crytek made? If Crytek helped produce the demo that they used for the Kickstarter, then they would be in it from the beginning, yes? That would have been the time to sign the agreement? Why would the number be only that at which time it was signed; I thought royalties were based on the product being continuously sold? Even if we were to suppose that CIG no longer had to pay royalties when they switched to Lumberyard, that switch still came after the 100 million mark, right?
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ManofManyAliases posted:Does it? If it boils down to around 20% royalties at the time of the agreement and they were around 30m in we're looking at 6 mil + "damages." And I'm talking a settlement here, not a judgement. im starting to suspect that you're not actually toast.
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Oh poo poo, did the shill check come through MoMA? How are the rates for running damage control on a thread in an obscure subforum on a dead website?
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ManofManyAliases posted:Does it? If it boils down to around 20% royalties at the time of the agreement and they were around 30m in we're looking at 6 mil + "damages." And I'm talking a settlement here, not a judgement. So Naive, yes? Like this isn't how cases like this go and I have absolutely no clue how a reasonable person could believe that.
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ManofManyAliases posted:Well, up until the time of the LY switch. We also don't know what termination clauses were attached to this agreement, and whether or not CryTek upheld their bargain to have their developers made available for support (which, appears was not the case since CIG literally had to hire half of them). Considering the contract specifically said they would exclusively use Cryengine for their game, I'm willing to make a bet on whether there was a termination clause in their contract allowing them to drop Cryengine for a different engine. Assuming the information in the complaint is accurate, that is. The complaint also cites the fact that they're still using cryengine code, since they've repeatedly revealed proprietary code on their loving bugsmashers, because they are morons. I do so hope this goes to court. Chalks fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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XK posted:Are you sure you didn't get propofol? That's standard for anesthetized colonoscopies. In Canada Fentanyl and ativan and double/triple doses if required. I had one done earlier (in life) then expected and they hit me 3 times - I wasnt a happy camper.
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IncredibleIgloo posted:I don't know the history of the Star Citizen timeline. When was the agreement with Crytek made? If Crytek helped produce the demo that they used for the Kickstarter, then they would be in it from the beginning, yes? That would have been the time to sign the agreement? Why would the number be only that at which time it was signed; I thought royalties were based on the product being continuously sold? Even if we were to suppose that CIG no longer had to pay royalties when they switched to Lumberyard, that switch still came after the 100 million mark, right? No. The agreement was that as long as CryEngine was used being licensed and used in the production of a game by RSI/CIG, then they will receive royalties. If I have an exclusive agreement with Tesla to license my lithium refinery techniques in battery production and will receive a royalty on every battery sold, but then Tesla switches to another vendor and terminates the agreement with me in accordance with some termination clause of our contract, then would I continue to receive royalties for every battery sold after that if Tesla is utilizing the refining technique of that other vendor? ManofManyAliases fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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Raskolnikov posted:R u okay commando? Just a little owie. I hope it's a cute worm.  Sorry for starting GI chat. Other people have bigger problems. 
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A Neurotic Corncob posted:
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loving  So, the company backers gave $175M to build a game they have yet to deliver, is now charging the big spenders for a meet and greet. Here we thought them taking backer money to manufacture cheap Chinese goods, then selling them back to backers at a mark up profit was bad. LOL!! ----------------
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Raskolnikov posted:Last time I was put under was at the dentist's when I was six. A few minutes in I shoved everything out of my mouth and started beating the dentist with my fists. I remember none of this. If that happened today, your parents would be rich off the viral youtube video.
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XK posted:Fentanyl is not recreationally fun
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ManofManyAliases posted:No. The agreement was that as long as CryEngine was used being licensed and used in the production of a game by RSI/CIG, then they will receive royalties. If I have an exclusive agreement with Tesla to license mby lithium refinery techniques in battery production and will receive a royalty on every battery sold, but then Tesla switches to another vendor and terminates the agreement with me in accordance with some termination clause of our contract, then would I continue to receive royalties for every battery sold after that if Tesla is utilizing the refining technique of that other vendor? Good god, how many are sharing your account?
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Colostomy Bag posted:Eh, more like incompetence. As with every profession you have good ones and bad ones. Chances are you are getting a bad one. Username/Post Combo. E: I mean that it's funny.
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TheAgent posted:hmm here's my proof I stopped reading after testimony. What a rube.
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ManofManyAliases posted:No. The agreement was that as long as CryEngine was used being licensed and used in the production of a game by RSI/CIG, then they will receive royalties. If I have an exclusive agreement with Tesla to license mby lithium refinery techniques in battery production and will receive a royalty on every battery sold, but then Tesla switches to another vendor and terminates the agreement with me in accordance with some termination clause of our contract, then would I continue to receive royalties for every battery sold after that if Tesla is utilizing the refining technique of that other vendor? Dude, read the complaint and get back to us please. It claims that under the GLA they signed they will exclusively use Cryengine for the game and in exchange for this they will pay zero royalties. They're not being sued for failing to pay royalties, they're being sued for damages incurred as a result of them breaking the GLA in a bunch of different ways. The most obvious violation being them claiming to have stopped using the engine, and the most obvious damages being the loving enormous royalty bill they avoided paying. Chalks fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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ManofManyAliases posted:No. The agreement was that as long as CryEngine was used being licensed and used in the production of a game by RSI/CIG, then they will receive royalties. If I have an exclusive agreement with Tesla to license mby lithium refinery techniques in battery production and will receive a royalty on every battery sold, but then Tesla switches to another vendor and terminates the agreement with me in accordance with some termination clause of our contract, then would I continue to receive royalties for every battery sold after that if Tesla is utilizing the refining technique of that other vendor? But if you still used Tesla, and merely claimed to have terminated the agreement, then you'd be in trouble if Tesla sued you.
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ManofManyAliases posted:No. The agreement was that as long as CryEngine was used being licensed and used in the production of a game by RSI/CIG, then they will receive royalties. If I have an exclusive agreement with Tesla to license mby lithium refinery techniques in battery production and will receive a royalty on every battery sold, but then Tesla switches to another vendor and terminates the agreement with me in accordance with some termination clause of our contract, then would I continue to receive royalties for every battery sold after that if Tesla is utilizing the refining technique of that other vendor? They are still using Cryengine you dumbass. We literally posted dozens of screenshots of this here, straight from their Bugsmashers and other videos. They might be using pieces of Lumberyard somewhere but their Frankenstein Star Engine is based on licensed technology protected by Crytek IP. 64-bit positioning, physicalized jpeg grids, and all other mumbo jumpo they developed was on top of CE3 not Lumberyard. If I license an engine and insert a character into the code, it's not magically not protected by IP anymore because I modified it. What's so hard about this? THEY LITERALLY POSTED VIDEOS OF CODE THAT SAY "COPYRIGHT CRYTEK" AS CODE COMMENTS. I mean you might believe their bullshit about switching the engine in two days. But all other evidence points to it being complete nonsense. If they're basing their defense around that, then good luck. Stop believing everything CIG says. They're serial liars running a scam. If they are willing to lie about a $30K space door, they sure as gently caress gonna lie about everything else. Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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ManofManyAliases posted:No. The agreement was that as long as CryEngine was used being licensed and used in the production of a game by RSI/CIG, then they will receive royalties. If I have an exclusive agreement with Tesla to license my lithium refinery techniques in battery production and will receive a royalty on every battery sold, but then Tesla switches to another vendor and terminates the agreement with me in accordance with some termination clause of our contract, then would I continue to receive royalties for every battery sold after that if Tesla is utilizing the refining technique of that other vendor? Now ask yourself, what if they didn't legally meet the termination agreement?
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XK posted:I have the colitis, and when I've gotten knock-out colonoscopies, it's been propofol. Propofol is the "milk" that killed Michael Jackson, by the way. When I got it, I was just totally blacked out, beginning to end. Morphine is poo poo actually, I have never like using the stuff. Demerol was preferred by me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqpcrpC3P28 intardnation fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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Preen Dog posted:Sorry for starting GI chat. Other people have bigger problems. Probably the most on topic discussion atm
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Sickening posted:Now ask yourself, what if they didn't legally meet the termination agreement? I'm sure whatever they had in place CryTek waived because they were big fans of Wing Commander
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ManofManyAliases posted:No. The agreement was that as long as CryEngine was used being licensed and used in the production of a game by RSI/CIG, then they will receive royalties. If I have an exclusive agreement with Tesla to license my lithium refinery techniques in battery production and will receive a royalty on every battery sold, but then Tesla switches to another vendor and terminates the agreement with me in accordance with some termination clause of our contract, then would I continue to receive royalties for every battery sold after that if Tesla is utilizing the refining technique of that other vendor? 
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Chalks posted:Dude, read the complaint and get back to us please. It claims that under the GLA they signed they will exclusively use Cryengine for the game and in exchange for this they will pay zero royalties. I was responding to ice's comment about this royalty language: "Crytek has not been compensated for Defendants' unlicensed use of Crytek technology in the Squadron 42 game, and has been substantially harmed by being deprived of that compensation, which would ordinarily include a substantial up-front payment as well as a substantial royalty on game sales." In either regard, the whole purpose of these types of complaints are to throw as much poo poo as possible on the wall in hopes that some of it will stick. I honestly think that CryTek was negligent in their promise to provide support to CIG, hence CIG's switch to partner with Amazon's LY and receive ongoing support as necessary (in addition to poaching ex-developers and support from CryTek).
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D_Smart posted:It will. And it's coming sooner than most people think. Screen cap and quote me on that poo poo. like you last call - It took 2 years not 2 weeks. get ur poo poo together and make the call. 2018 now. Will you answer the call DS?
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hot balls man no homo posted:Okay, so here is a crazy theory that might not be so crazy if you think about it:
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ManofManyAliases posted:Does it? If it boils down to around 20% royalties at the time of the agreement and they were around 30m in we're looking at 6 mil + "damages." And I'm talking a settlement here, not a judgement. I know, right? I'm sure they already burned the 500 mil the Turkish gov fronted them on business class flights to Monaco and limited edition Porsches and trips to Restoration Hardware and $13k coffee makers and mocap and film equipment, how could they ever hope to fight this case is anyone's guess.
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I think I found the best call the SC-SA community ever made, it's 5 years old : Dusty Lens posted:CIG shifting their business model to going after big spenders could be a real game changer.
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ManofManyAliases posted:No. The agreement was that as long as CryEngine was used being licensed and used in the production of a game by RSI/CIG, then they will receive royalties. If I have an exclusive agreement with Tesla to license my lithium refinery techniques in battery production and will receive a royalty on every battery sold, but then Tesla switches to another vendor and terminates the agreement with me in accordance with some termination clause of our contract, then would I continue to receive royalties for every battery sold after that if Tesla is utilizing the refining technique of that other vendor? Also, was anyone even looking at Chris' other hand when he signed the contract? What if he had his fingers crossed the whole time!
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MoMA, how are you enjoying the several playable levels of SQ42 that you said would be out by now?
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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/Schedule-report-05012018quote:Last update : Jan 5th, 2018
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thatguy posted:Et tu, Lesnick? Scene: RSI Los Angels office Chris Roberts walks up to space door with a cup of hot coffee in one hand and his key card in the other. Chris swipes his card on the access panel and the space doors slide open reavealing Ben Lesnick slumped in a chair wearing a grey sweatshirt. Written on the sweatshirt is "HO-HO-HO NOW WE HAVE A WITNESS" Also written on the shirt is then entire 4th Stimpire text Chris drops his coffee, turns around and makes a run for his limited edition Porsche
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ManofManyAliases posted:I was responding to ice's comment about this royalty language: Will be interesting to see if that argument is made when they respond to the filing. If you think someone isn't holding up their end of a contract in full, I'm not sure it is a legally recognised remedy to pretend that contract doesn't exist any more. Also, as others have mentioned, CIG have been displaying proprietary Cryengine source code in their bug smashers up to literally the week before the complaint was filed. This, along with the farce that was their explanation and timeline for the switch, strongly indicates that they just kept the underlying code the same since they considered lumberyard and cryengine to be functionally identical. Which they may well be, but unfortunately they're not legally identical.
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