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Happy Page 2000 Battletech thread!
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Jan 6, 2018 04:25
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To celebrate hitting page 2000 I shall vote for B. I have no idea how those relate, but they do now.
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Jan 6, 2018 04:30
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Voting for A. Time for some sweet bitter-ex-clanner Warcrimes.
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Jan 6, 2018 04:33
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Voting B.
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Jan 6, 2018 04:38
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B I'm NRWR'd out.
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Jan 6, 2018 04:38
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A for madness.
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Jan 6, 2018 04:55
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B
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Jan 6, 2018 05:14
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A, I am intrigued by the thought of what can happen with an obvious one way suicide mission.
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Jan 6, 2018 05:18
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A
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Jan 6, 2018 05:18
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Tossing in a vote for C since I'm not Dadlas'd out yet.
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Jan 6, 2018 05:22
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Voting B, because we've had one great NRWR campaign, and this scenario is a pov that we've seen very little of so far. There was just there couple brief bits of setup from the Steiner side. I won't be unhappy to see A or C either though, as usual.
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Jan 6, 2018 05:35
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B. That was so many "B"s, I got confused a bit. It's time to kill everything!
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Jan 6, 2018 05:44
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While these are all great options C gets my vote. I want to see the story of the demon hawks through to the end.
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Jan 6, 2018 05:44
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thiswayliesmadness posted:As much as I want to bandwagon A, I've got to throw my vote at C Never fear, fellow forums-goer, I shall bandwagon A for you!
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Jan 6, 2018 05:59
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I'm very sanguine about this
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Jan 6, 2018 06:12
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Defiance Industries posted:I'm very sanguine about this I wannna C (plan) Deez nuts
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Jan 6, 2018 06:33
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B
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Jan 6, 2018 06:41
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A: Kill them all.
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Jan 6, 2018 06:57
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Let's go in at the deep end: A
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Jan 6, 2018 07:35
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Synthbuttrange posted:Happy Page 2000 Battletech thread! My god what have we all done
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Jan 6, 2018 07:38
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A. Let's end this plotline with over the top 
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Jan 6, 2018 08:02
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A I'm a sucker for a mystery space jump
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Jan 6, 2018 08:07
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PoptartsNinja posted:May I ask why not? It's not that they aren't interesting in more than a few ways, but I am the opposite of invested in them; I am much more invested, emotionally, in their failure. I feel like they have more traction than they should amongst the thread because they've been set up as foils to the Clans, who people also hate, but to me they've inherited the Word of Blake's sense of having an understandable enemy but being such giant dicks about it that you can't help but root for them to lose, even with cool deep cuts like Jason Youngblood working for them. They're a nice additional complication on the Inner Sphere political and military landscape, doing interesting things, I just want them to fail, and since in general not voting for missions means they are usually less successful for whatever the player force would've been, I'll vote for anything else if there's a RWR option. That's just me. Of course the obvious end result of saying this will be that my second go around somehow ends up as an NRWR mission, and I'll have to suck it up and deal with it, just as my first go around was the Death Commandos where I also had to suck it up and deal with it (and had fun regardless of my canon partisan leanings, so, y'know, however it goes...) edit: if there's a scenario that's explicitly for fighting the NRWR then that's a different story. Fraction Jackson fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Jan 6, 2018 08:17
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PoptartsNinja posted:Before you start bandwagoning something you're not certain of. But..... but I want to see all of the good fights.
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Jan 6, 2018 08:23
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The NRWR haven't really been giant dicks in this timeline? They have a relatively stable economy, with a healthy populace and a strong military, and a leader that at least pays lipservice to giving a poo poo about the lives of his people. They expand their influence by showing up with space factories and food and being like "hey, how'd you like to not be dirt-farming peasants?". They still fight the Clans, but I like them not because they oppose the Clans (I don't actually hate the Clans that much), but because they represent a rarity in Battletech: A leader with a surprisingly competent plan who understands the usefulness of technology and expansion through means other than "I land stompy robots there and plant a flag in the dungheap". It's sort of the polar opposite of my love for the CapCon, where I'm rooting for the cartoonishly over the top supervillains, doomed to failure though they may be (in the canon timeline) by being written as one dimensional punching bags for THE GLORIOUS SHINING KNIGHTS of the allegedly-more-Good-but-actually-just-designated-heroes Houses.
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Jan 6, 2018 08:26
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Zaodai posted:The NRWR haven't really been giant dicks in this timeline? I mean there was kind of the part where they proposed what could be interpreted as ethnic cleansing of the Clan homeworlds but what's a few war crimes between friends am I right?
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Jan 6, 2018 08:33
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Fraction Jackson posted:I mean there was kind of the part where they proposed what could be interpreted as ethnic cleansing of the Clan homeworlds but what's a few war crimes between friends am I right? So, baseline dickishness of the Battletech universe. The Clans are coming to kill his entire space-empire first, and they have a manpower and (to some extent) tech advantage. Moral high ground is a luxury left to those not fighting a war of extinction.
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Jan 6, 2018 08:37
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B having the nrwr succeed all the time is boring
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Jan 6, 2018 08:39
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I personally voted C because getting to play the game with Manei Domini mechwarriors or the equivalent is really cool and kind of different from the norm, especially against the Clans. You tend to end up outnumbered by the Clans, and are going to have to exploit superior skill, C3i, and other tech advantage to win with inferior weapons and armor. And that's kind of cool.
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Jan 6, 2018 08:40
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C I want to see infantry that takes an HGR to kill.
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Jan 6, 2018 08:41
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Voting B because I’m in the mood for grand strategy. Also I think it’s been awhile since we’ve been in that quadrant.
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Jan 6, 2018 08:42
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Voting C for the hope that Andurien doesn't fall.
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Jan 6, 2018 08:54
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All three are good options, but in the end I'm going to have to go with A.
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Jan 6, 2018 09:11
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C Finish the fight.
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Jan 6, 2018 09:17
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Zaodai posted:The NRWR haven't really been giant dicks in this timeline? They have a relatively stable economy, with a healthy populace and a strong military, and a leader that at least pays lipservice to giving a poo poo about the lives of his people. They expand their influence by showing up with space factories and food and being like "hey, how'd you like to not be dirt-farming peasants?". They still fight the Clans, but I like them not because they oppose the Clans (I don't actually hate the Clans that much), but because they represent a rarity in Battletech: A leader with a surprisingly competent plan who understands the usefulness of technology and expansion through means other than "I land stompy robots there and plant a flag in the dungheap". Honestly the reasons you like the NRWR are the reasons I don't - over and above the fact that they're loving with my beloved FWL. Battletech is a setting that requires vast arsenals of weapons-grade stupidity to work out, and introducing factions that aren't massively dumb only (IMHO) lampshades the flaws of the setting. And that can be a good and useful thing to do sometimes, but sometimes the flaws of the setting are what make the setting enjoyable, which I would argue is the case for Battletech - a game about giant stompy robots. Put bluntly, if the leader with a surprisingly competent plan who understands the usefulness of technology and expansion through means other than "I land stompy robots there and plant a flag in the dungheap" is shown to be uniformly successful it begs the question of well why have the stompy robots in the first place and that's a problem when stompy robots are the whole point. That is, it's kind of like saying "hey why did Emperor Palpatine send stormtroopers to kill Luke's family when the smarter plan would have been to send him a letter saying 'congratulations you've been selected for a full boat scholarship to Imperial University, complete with a dorm room on Coruscant and a living stipend, here is a list of the fraternities that are interested in having you pledge' since he clearly wanted off Tatooine, and then either quietly killing him on Coruscant or even better recruiting the kid?" Which, like, yes that would be smarter but that kind of defeats the purpose of telling the story, y'know? Having said that, I do think the NRWR is interesting and fun to have around - and they've been demonstrated to lack some of the Plot Armor of the average Mary Sue because we've already seen that their centrally-planned economy is a house of cards currently diverted into a massive war effort that House Amaris appears to believe will pay off down the line for Reasons, so it's not like I object to them on the grounds that they're Too Perfect. If nothing else they give the Galactic South some poo poo to do, which is handy. But honestly, I'm looking forward to the day it all blows up in their faces. (none of which stopped me from voting for Red Dawn because c'mon) Anyways, tl;dr: Anything that lampshades the folly of basing your entire culture around Big Stompy Robots and the Shooting Thereof is something I want less of in a game about Big Stompy Robots and the Shooting Thereof. I already know it's stupid, I want the stupid, the stupid lets me enjoy Big Stompy Robot Action. 
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Jan 6, 2018 09:23
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Well, the flaws you point out are what makes them not Mary Sueish in my eyes. They have planning, but they are constantly riding a knife's edge because of either external enemies or just the narrowness success requires of their elaborate plans. The Amaris line seems to have big plans, and sometimes good plans, but rarely stable, secure plans. We've seen them succeed so far, but even those successes have cost huge amounts of their military and production that will not be quickly replaced, and of course Uncle Stevie. Steven Amaris VI may not have been President Amaris, but he was undoubtedly still SOMETHING to the people. He couldn't have been a complete unknown, so his loss is a visible hit to the people of the NRWR. We don't know what got broadcast after his untimely demise, but it couldn't have been a net positive for the NRWR. They're not Batman. They don't have unlimited resources to go along with their time to plan, and they've quickly run out of time to plan. I want to see the NRWR succeed because they are the sane man in crazy town, and they don't necessarily have the tools to win, but they're committed to go down swinging. Hence stuff like Operation Red Dawn, and even the Andurien campaign itself. You have to remember, basically everyone who wasn't the Demon Hawks got loving smashed on Andurien, on both sides of the conflict. The Clans took huge losses, but so did even the elite line units the NRWR had prepared. He's basically banked everything on this one huge roll of the dice, and not to conclusively beat the Clans. Not to be able to stand tall atop their pile of corpses and declare himself unstoppable. He knows there are more Clans out there, not to mention potential enemies in the Inner Sphere if they find out what riches lie in the Rim. No, this enormously complex, drawn out plan has all been designed not for total victory, because that is unachievable in one fell swoop. It has been designed to buy them the one resource a competent planner can always use more of. Time.
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Jan 6, 2018 09:34
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No, I agree with you, which is why I took pains to point out that they're not a Mary Sue - the very fact that they're on such a shaky foundation demonstrates that - but that doesn't take away from the fact that personally (and I'm not saying anyone needs to agree, for the record) I don't care for the NRWR because thus far they've been too smart and Battletech needs more stupid if it's gonna work.
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Jan 6, 2018 09:38
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Jan 6, 2018 09:42
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:But honestly, I'm looking forward to the day it all blows up in their faces. I agree on this line, and honestly on most of the rest too. We may have voted differently, and for different reasons, but I think we see the NRWR in pretty similar ways outside of the fake-rules-of-war ethical questions.
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