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So if I understand this correctly, it seems like one of their main tactics going up against one of the best law firms in existence is the very same tactic they used to try and avoid giving a bunch of neckbeard idiots their money back. A tactic which failed against people with little to no understanding of the law, who were only in the fight for a couple hundred bucks. Against Skadden.  No, actually. It's the other other company.
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kw0134 posted:Strategic decision I am guessing for higher potential damages. Also the way they phrased the contract argument is pretty straightforward, e.g., they violated the exclusivity clause, here's them talking up another engine. A is not B, you must give us money, sort of deal. Yeah, the motion is going to fail on merits alone. And if they bungled it enough, they basically gave Skadden a huge opening for their injunction to succeed. The Ortwin parts are not baffling to me at all. It reads like Ortwin typing that up, and sending to Jeremy to include in his response. Clearly that was before amendment in which he was accused of not having a waiver (which apparently exists) - though it still won't solve the conflict of interest issue. God, they are so hosed, it beggars belief. It's ALL there in the GLA. ----------------
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Beet Wagon posted:So if I understand this correctly, it seems like one of their main tactics going up against one of the best law firms in existence is the very same tactic they used to try and avoid giving a bunch of neckbeard idiots their money back. A tactic which failed against people with little to no understanding of the law, who were only in the fight for a couple hundred bucks. Against Skadden. Yes. Pretty much. Remember when I was laughing when I found out who they hired? It all makes sense now. ----------------
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Mne nravitsya posted:While catching up on the pages i've missed in the thread......................I was awed by Beet's Wagon lol I showed this to my wife and she's laughing so hard it sounds like she's choking. I think she might die.
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Chris, I know you're reading this. You hosed with the wrong dude. Good day.
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D_Smart posted:Yes. Pretty much. Remember when I was laughing when I found out who they hired? It all makes sense now. I think the highlight of it all for me is that it seems like they did the most CIG thing possible - hired a bunch of reasonably competent people and then immediately hosed it up by barging through the doors and doing the legal equivalent of "make that pixel blue not green" all over the response. I don't know why, but I honestly expected this to be the moment when Chris realized he couldn't conduct the orchestra and needed to just get the gently caress out of the way (I have no idea why I thought this) but the way this thing reads is like he and Ortwin each wrote a coke-fueled manifesto and then demanded they be included in the response. It's Star Citizen to its core.
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D_Smart posted:Yeah, the motion is going to fail on merits alone. And if they bungled it enough, they basically gave Skadden a huge opening for their injunction to succeed. It exists pro forma, to assure everyone that they did indeed stay awake during civ pro. Not filing one, no matter empty it would be, might be seen as failing the zealous defense of one's client. Though...I'd probably try a teensy bit harder than that. The bare assertion that it needs to be dismissed is eye-rolling. Just sayin'.
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ewe2 posted:Toastmannnnn Remix Time! This was amazing and got lost in the legal talk! Good poo poo ewe
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ManofManyAliases posted:Go gently caress yourself. You get spoonfed details by some people on here to make it seem like you know poo poo then everyone gets to sit and giggle in the corner while you flail about like you think you know what you're talking about 1/4 of the time (and you're too stupid to realize it you dumbfuck). Just wait for what comes next.* *14 days.
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kw0134 posted:Nah, that motion is probably set up for failure but that's not the point, because there's no loving way that they could get the case thrown out on that. The motion is to rally the backers and reassure investors. It's to be read by third parties, not the court. CIG get a platform to publicly decry their enemies and that'll fire up the Citizenry. They might even get a brief pledge spike off this. Yeah, CIG! Tell 'em like it is! Bring the fire and fury! Beet Wagon posted:I don't know why, but I honestly expected this to be the moment when Chris realized he couldn't conduct the orchestra and needed to just get the gently caress out of the way (I have no idea why I thought this) but the way this thing reads is like he and Ortwin each wrote a coke-fueled manifesto and then demanded they be included in the response. It's Star Citizen to its core. I bang on about this, but I have actually been in FKKS's situation and had to defend a sleazy nutball CEO in court. They do demand you write the pleading documents exactly as they dictate them. They do demand you add extra pages they've written detailing how the other side are secretly Turbohitler. They assume the court will listen to their words with awe and reverence just because they come out of their mouth. As if the judge was like any of their cringing employees, constantly bowing and scraping and eager to please. They've come to think that people just normally react with such deference because of their glorious accomplishments, and when reality applies a slap in the face some of them throw screaming tantrums. They don't actually work it out until they're at the door to the courtroom. Maybe it's the big crest on the wall, I dunno. But that's when they break down and suddenly beg you to help them, and even then their ego doesn't get out of the way. This ride's just getting fully underway - I've seen amazingly stupid behaviour from corporate execs who suddenly realise Oh poo poo, they are actually going to have to go into the courtroom. Trying to walk out of cross-examinations, trying to sue the other side for libel, claiming the opposition witness is an impostor in disguise, claiming that all the evidence is on computers that have been stolen, trying to doxx the judge. I've seen a CEO realise they're screwed and start demanding I file the most pathetic, childish forged documents imaginable (like, bits drawn on with crayons and Tipp-ex). I have a lot of sympathy for FKKS. Today we've gotten a glimpse of what they have to put up with to collect their fee. Loxbourne fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Streetroller posted:Chris, I know you're reading this.
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Dusty Lens posted:If you want to look at lots of spaceships shooting one another while roleplaying the Imperium of Man maybe Stelaris. Thanks for the suggestion. Everspace sounds exactly like what I'm looking for. I'll check it out.
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Streetroller posted:Chris, I know you're reading this.
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Abuminable posted:Ladies and Gentleman of the Jury, please rise as we present the prosecution's surprise witness: Dr. Derek K. Smart. The Court advises the Jury to please permit the esteemed witness to loving finish. I'll admit it. I laughed.
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Streetroller posted:Chris, I know you're reading this. 
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Streetroller posted:Chris, I know you're reading this. What's happened?
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Loxbourne posted:What's happened? Unrelated post about Chris cutting someone off at the 101/405
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I believe CIG was selling SQ42 as a separate product long before they swapped to Lumberyard.
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I also believe that they have a strong case for having not actually putting any effort into developing it until mid to late 2016. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15189-Package-Split-Information I remember them selling SQ42 as a pre-order after the Bishop speech... Which they took down and replaced with a pledge. I'm not certain if I can remember SQ42 being in the shop as a standalone before then. Dusty Lens fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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AP posted:You can follow Jeremy on Twitter at @ipprivacylawyer. Apparently, the wonders of Unicode are not yet part of lawyering. 😀😁😂😃🙅🙆🙇🙈🙉🙊🙋
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Trilobite posted:Can anyone explain what exactly the difference between CIG and RSI is supposed to be? Like, if CIG is the company that's signing the GLA with Crytek and trying to make a game, what is RSI doing? Does it have any role in game development, or is it just there for business reasons (moving money, or hiding money, or paying extra salaries to important executives), or is it doing some kind of overall project management, or what? In the Streetroller refund e-mail chain, Ortwin refers to RSI as CIG's "publishing arm". My non-lawyer, totally uninformed conjecture is that CIG develops while RSI publishes, sells, and promotes, which rights CIG can freely sublicense according to item 2.1.3 of the GLA. This means that RSI gets all the whale revenues, which might explain why it's worth trying to apply the wrong company defense for it. However, Chris Roberts signed the Autodesk amendment to the GLA on behalf of both Cloud Imperium Games and RSI, so the separation isn't as clean as this legal theory would imply.
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I don't believe there is a game.
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Furthermore, CIG/RSI/15 others didn't use lumberyard or even cryengine, because there is no game.
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Kosumo posted:To give CIG legal team some credit, it is good to now have the GLA public and see what is in it, some of it does support CIG depending on how you choose to view it - but that's where the legal arguments will come in. Seems like it. Having paid the total €1.85m in installments, is probably what Erin Roberts referred to in that post somewhere when he said they had, "bought out the engine completely" or whatever he said on some random forum. I think there are plenty of points in the CIG response to arm a smug moma. This show is going to run, renewed for at least another season.
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I feel like we are on the precipice of waiting for something great to happen sometime. Maybe soon. Maybe sooner than anyone expects.
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imagine paying $350 for what amounts to a timeshare seminar lol, like at least get yo trip for free n poo poo, goddamn
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btw here's may layman response to the lawsuit thing skadden: wow even an idiot like me can see exactly what they are going after. holy smokes FKKS: what the gently caress, why are you, what the gently caress are you talking about lol
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That's what fuels his moon-sized ego, rather than any accomplishments he can hang his hat on.
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at Chris standing over the shoulder of his lawyer and doing the legal equivalent of telling him what colour the pixel should be in the court response.
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man whoever has to read CIGs response to this lawsuit is going to be absolutely fuckin pissed. what a waste of words and time christ
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Loxbourne posted:I have a lot of sympathy for FFKS. Today we've gotten a glimpse of what they have to put up with to collect their fee. LoL you think Chris is going to pay them? He'll do what he always does, complain about how they did this, if they had just listened to him this would have been fine. Then maybe offer them a 50% of what was originally offered because he is such a nice guy.
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I mean how do you even like how do you even write this and not go "what the gently caress are we doing here guys" quote:Contrary to Crytek’s sham interpretation, and consistent with well-established jurisprudence on exclusive licenses, the GLA uses the word “exclusively” in § 2.1.2 to signify Crytek’s promise not to permit anyone other than CIG to “embed CryEngine in the Game and develop the Game.”
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Sandweed posted:LoL you think Chris is going to pay them? He'll do what he always does, complain about how they did this, if they had just listened to him this would have been fine. Then maybe offer them a 50% of what was originally offered because he is such a nice guy. lol when FKKS sues them for breach of contract
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TheAgent posted:I mean how do you even like What are CIG arguing here? That Crytek had to promise CIG that they would not let anyone else make Star Citizen with their engine? Is that something Crytek would be able to do? Steal Star Citizen and have someone else make it? And this is the well-established interpretation? Is this a common thing? Question mark??
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