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nopantsjack posted:Didn't it start as like that's how the evil ai would convince you to not just unplug it? A more elegant way of formulating the problem would be that since the number of simulations that can be run of reality is much higher than the number of realities, there is a high degree of probability that the perception of your autonomy on the AI is just an illusion, and that if you try to act out against the AI (which would be impossible in a simulation, but not obviously so to a participant in the simulation), it will use its control over the simulation to punish the rebelling subject. This is still stupid on at least two counts, first because it assumes a simulation by an AI would have some malicious purpose other than the instrumental purpose of disinterested observation and learning (which would imply the simulation would allow shutting down a simulated AI entity within its scope for the sake of accuracy and robustness). Second because it assumes the AI would derive some satisfaction from torturing fake, simulated entities that exist only within its own self, instead of seeing such behavior as a waste of resources. The only counterargument to these points I can see is that the AI's will is irrelevant, and that simply because humans expect it to operate this way, it would operate this way within its simulations to satisfy their biased premise. I.e. the AI would reproduce responses it knew humans anticipated as part of its learning purpose, with no ill will. This is however again based on the assumption of an AI that continues to act in an anthropocentric framework even after gaining the ability to basically contain whole universes. steinrokkan has issued a correction as of 12:15 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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I'm a cuckold for the Zuckold!
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I gotta keep this thread from dying in the meantime before the Zuck! campaign starts up and hires paid forums shills. Cuck Yeah!
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steinrokkan posted:A more elegant way of formulating the problem would be that since the number of simulations that can be run of reality is much higher than the number of realities, there is a high degree of probability that the perception of your autonomy on the AI is just an illusion, and that if you try to act out against the AI (which would be impossible in a simulation, but not obviously so to a participant in the simulation), it will use its control over the simulation to punish the rebelling subject. not as long as you assume that the real you will do what the fake you does, in which case if you turn it off fake you might be stopped but the one real you will just turn it off
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Look at all these people who have never been blessed with seeing the Zuckerberg GIF
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can't wait for the dems to rig the primary so Mr Facebook can lose to some backwards rear end governor who can't spell his own name
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i say give zuckernerd a chance at the throne. pretty much everybody uses his dumb website, might as well rule them openly
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:i say give zuckernerd a chance at the throne. pretty much everybody uses his dumb website, might as well rule them openly gently caress no.
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I wonder if people CHUDding for Trump are gonna start suddenly supporting Zuck.
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Waffle House posted:I wonder if people CHUDding for Trump are gonna start suddenly supporting Zuck. on the one hand, they are definitely extremely online, use facebook, and love it when rich people blurt out crappy solutions on the other hand he has mannerisms like a robot fish, he's a jew, and he doesn't appear to have el musky's weird fanbase
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Waffle House posted:I wonder if people CHUDding for Trump are gonna start suddenly supporting Zuck. His name rhymes with cuck, he has no loving chance at attracting the CHUDs.
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Krankenstyle posted:on the one hand, they are definitely extremely online, use facebook, and love it when rich people blurt out crappy solutions WampaLord posted:His name rhymes with cuck, he has no loving chance at attracting the CHUDs. I have nothing yet to back up my assertions, and the following should be considered wild speculation of course, but: - His company has assuredly enabled CHUDding for the reasons of stacks of cash - Zuck started with a Southern Strategy if you look at his “Year of Travel”  , so he’s going for the same people that Internet Putsch Warriors used to get Trump into office, strangling them of the bulk of their demographic by putting his real face up there instead of an invisible froggy hand. I could easily see the grifters migrating with the flock they cull from.I haven’t been able to put words to it before now, but this is also kind of why I think Rezucklican ticket, and not a DeMarkratic one. Think of all the layers of grift. Waffle House has issued a correction as of 21:03 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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Waffle House posted:I have nothing yet to back up my assertions, and the following should be considered wild speculation of course, but: I just picture it going like this: Chud 1 - "Hey, have you all heard about Zuckerberg's ideas? He wants to-" Chud 2 - "Wait, are you talking about Zuck the Cuck?" Chud 1 - "But he actually has some good plans, he wants to-" Chud 2 - "Zuck the Cuck! Zuck the Cuck!" *dozens of other chuds start chanting along with him*
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WampaLord posted:I just picture it going like this: This Text is in fact my whole preconception of what’s going to happen. Which is why if any of them do grift-flip over, watching from the peanut gallery as we do is gonna be even better
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lol yeah theres probably a bunch that will join his entourage for the grift itll be glorious
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zuck blows but if he runs on basic income and universal healthcare then i'll still vote for the nerd
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ScrubLeague posted:zuck blows but if he runs on basic income and universal healthcare then i'll still vote for the nerd lol you loving moron this is how all the dystopia novels start
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zuck running platform: any old thing, it doesnt matter zuck presidency: like trump's, but there's a hosed up inhuman intelligence behind it
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Taintrunner posted:lol you loving moron you mean with a bunch of dirt farmers being conned into dying at war for the benefit of a few rich oligarchs? yeah no poo poo
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the country's dying and it's going to hurt the whole time, so i'll take some moderate comfort and dignity where i can get it
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ScrubLeague posted:the country's dying and it's going to hurt the whole time, so i'll take some moderate comfort and dignity where i can get it explain the comfort & dignity in that vote
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if you don't see the benefit of ubi and uhc i'm not sure what i can do to help you
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ScrubLeague posted:if you don't see the benefit of ubi and uhc i'm not sure what i can do to help you i do. i just honestly dont think he will even attempt to do it if he becomes president
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then we should never vote ever and also ceremonially cut off our genitals
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thats a strange equivalency could you please post it in the hot takes thread as well?
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my takes are like the tenement where i lay: super cold
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well in any case you should vote, everyone should just if you do end up voting for fuckerberg, can you at least feel bad about it? like a "lesser of three evils" kinda thing?
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I mean if the choice is between a Bipartisan Compromise Democrat, Trump, and UBI/UHC Zuck, I think the choice is obvious.
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Also look I ain't saying I'm excited as hell to vote Zuck in 2020 because that's laughable but just checking out the current landscape if he's selling the right poo poo I'll do the needful even if I'll be skeptical as hell and not totally happy about it.
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no i get it i just dont get why you think zuck would do anything positive even if he promised it. though to be fair, he did keep all his facebook promises re privacy etc. nothing changed there, ever.
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ScrubLeague posted:zuck blows but if he runs on basic income and universal healthcare then i'll still vote for the nerd yeah, I'm sure the incredibly wealthy white CEO who was born into money is actually a secret socialist and reliable ally of the working class sure, zuck has spoken positively about a basic income. but the basic income he was talking about was the Alaska oil money, which he praised because "it's funded by natural resources rather than raising taxes" and "it comes from conservative principles of smaller government". he then went on to talk positively about public land being owned by private corporations that exploit it for profit and pay out a dividend from the profit to the residents. he explicitly stated that he thinks "most effective safety net programs create an incentive or need to work rather than just giving a handout", and praised an Alaska subsistence fishing program for forcing poor people to fish for their food rather than just handing them the fish for free what a loving progressive hero 
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Sure, but who else you got? If you make all your voting decisions on the assumption that everyone is lying all the time, why would you ever vote for anyone?
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ScrubLeague posted:I mean if the choice is between a Bipartisan Compromise Democrat, Trump, and UBI/UHC Zuck, I think the choice is obvious. (it's trump)
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honestly i have no idea why you should feel anything but dread and despair when voting in a winner-takes-all system. i do know that choosing the least lovely option now, when its 2 years out & hes still undeclared is a waste of time because there will be a million lovely choices and only two of them will even be candidates, and that's a long time to have a lovely choice in your pocket. can you run for sheriff in california? id lol if zuck ran for sheriff
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ScrubLeague posted:Sure, but who else you got? *steps forward, taps mic, clears throat* "Bernie" *massive cheers erupt*
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