|
Tasmantor posted:Algorithms have been nothing but good for us so far! If only one could tell me how to dress quote:Who writes that winner? Apple, Google or Amazon gonna get the right to tell us all how we should dress? gently caress silicon valley I don't think anyone should be able to tell you how to dress, not fashion mags, not highschool kid, not some weird group think you believe in and sure as gently caress not the people who think "move fast and break things" is a cool attitude. Nobody's gonna put a gun to your head man. I'm sure plenty of people are going continue picking their clothes out the old fashioned way.
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 15:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 8, 2024 13:07 |
|
|
Tasmantor posted:Algorithms have been nothing but good for us so far! If only one could tell me how to dress Fashion is already just what companies and society want. I'm sure you are now going to claim you just "wear what you want" ad that just happens to be within 10% of exactly what everyone in your culture wears with a few personalized flares (that are also mass produced)
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 15:41
|
|
|
Amazon already has a machine learning assisted “how should I dress” service, it works with the echo look and it’s called “Style Check”. Basically you have your echo take two pictures of you in different outfits and it can tell you which outfit looks better. I think they have a person making the final decision right now but the goal is to have the system do it automatically.
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 16:51
|
|
|
Brb going to take a ton of photos of people dressed well on a clear day and dressed like poo poo on a cloudy one.
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 18:15
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:Brb going to take a ton of photos of people dressed well on a clear day and dressed like poo poo on a cloudy one. The "Echo Look" is designed to be put in your closet/bedroom where presumably the lighting, angle, etc. will be identical.
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 19:08
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:Brb going to take a ton of photos of people dressed well on a clear day and dressed like poo poo on a cloudy one. I know you are referencing the tank thing from the 1980s, but that doesn't even seem like a machine only bug. Humans also think people look wildly better or worse in different conditions and lightings and angles and stuff.
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 19:48
|
|
|
I think any app or technology intended to somehow improve or enhance social interaction is ultimately doomed to backfire horribly just out of sheer shortsightedness/profiteering/stupidity and by the time people figure this out it's too late to undo the damage to society and people's mental health. Full disclosure: I view social media as a net negative for society and humanity in general. I'm not meaning an app that tells you what to wear, that seems like small fry. If we had the technology that genuinely assess how good you look you could come up with some far more hosed up uses. What about an app that objectively classifies what's good looking? You could have pretty clubs, nobody under 65% allowed. No politicians under 50% will bother running cause they'll tank with the good looking vote etc
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 20:17
|
|
|
Slavvy posted:You could have pretty clubs, nobody under 65% allowed. No politicians under 50% will bother running cause they'll tank with the good looking vote etc These things already exist. Have you never heard of "face control" at any sort of high-end nightclub? And politicians that are perceived as good looking are also already statistically more likely to be elected than their ugly counterparts. Some people have absolutely no sense of what colours, styles, or fits go together in their clothes. Particularly Americans, who seem to have a timeless love for Walmart jeans and baggy tshirts. If the Echo Look can help these people with their aesthetic problems it can only be a good thing. Think of it as similar in function to a reading aid for dyslexics - helping people overcome something they struggle with to let them function at a normal societal level.
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 20:28
|
|
|
Slavvy posted:I think any app or technology intended to somehow improve or enhance social interaction is ultimately doomed to backfire horribly just out of sheer shortsightedness/profiteering/stupidity and by the time people figure this out it's too late to undo the damage to society and people's mental health. Full disclosure: I view social media as a net negative for society and humanity in general. You are imagining a dystopian future where.... people are judged on their looks? When going to clubs and running for office?
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 21:05
|
|
|
Sure, now imagine giving people something that objectively classifies how good looking people are (or is perceived to do so anyway) and you'll get actual social striation and not just casual ugly-bigotry. I just don't see any positives to mechanising people's differences.
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 21:22
|
|
|
Slavvy posted:Sure, now imagine giving people something that objectively classifies how good looking people are (or is perceived to do so anyway) and you'll get actual social striation and not just casual ugly-bigotry. I just don't see any positives to mechanising people's differences. The problem with this type of thinking is there will more than one index. Also, it helps people with a 30 reach a 90. It will not help a 90 get to 100.
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 21:30
|
|
|
Slavvy posted:Sure, now imagine giving people something that objectively classifies how good looking people are (or is perceived to do so anyway) and you'll get actual social striation and not just casual ugly-bigotry. I just don't see any positives to mechanising people's differences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uglies_series
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 21:32
|
|
|
Tei posted:The problem with this type of thinking is there will more than one index. Also, it helps people with a 30 reach a 90. It will not help a 90 get to 100. More than one index the same way there's more than one Google or more than one Facebook? The story of business enterprise in the modem era is consolation and monopoly and there's no reason to think my hypothetical system won't eventually be narrowed down to just one offering after the initial feeling-out period when there are still multiple options available. Or am I not understanding?
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 21:48
|
|
|
Slavvy posted:More than one index the same way there's more than one Google or more than one Facebook? The story of business enterprise in the modem era is consolation and monopoly and there's no reason to think my hypothetical system won't eventually be narrowed down to just one offering after the initial feeling-out period when there are still multiple options available. Or am I not understanding? There is socially enforced standards of beauty but not like, in a way you could codify and have everyone follow outside of a black mirror episode. If someone released some machine that sorted every girl from 1 to 10 in looks no one would actually go along with it being actually right or matching their opinions in any absolute way. Just like what culture you live in tends to generally dictate what foods people eat more or less but it's not like we are ever going to be able to sort out all the foods best to worse and have everyone agree with the list.
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 21:59
|
|
|
That's pretty short sighted I think. What happens when the good-looking-meter reaches, say, 70% agreement with the general population's idea of attractive? The app or whatever will start a feedback loop (you won't BELIEVE where these celebrities land on the sexymeter!)wherein the good looks categorised by the software become aspirational. Sure, people want to look like Kim Kardashian or whatever the gently caress right now but if you had a numerical gauge for how close to Kim's level you are I can see it getting a whole lot worse. Again I don't see any benefit to society whatsoever and a whole lot of potential drawbacks.
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 22:09
|
|
|
Slavvy posted:That's pretty short sighted I think. What happens when the good-looking-meter reaches, say, 70% agreement with the general population's idea of attractive? The app or whatever will start a feedback loop (you won't BELIEVE where these celebrities land on the sexymeter!)wherein the good looks categorised by the software become aspirational. Sure, people want to look like Kim Kardashian or whatever the gently caress right now but if you had a numerical gauge for how close to Kim's level you are I can see it getting a whole lot worse. That doesn't really sound like how any preference based thing works. Like you can rank stuff into like "generally well regarded" and "generally not well regarded" but anything past that and it's not like you are going to get "70% close" to what people think is attractive. Like you couldn't get 70% close to ranking all foods or movies or something and having it mean anything to anyone. Like you aren't going to print out something that says "Kate Micucci is 78% attractive" and have that mean anything to anyone. Just like you couldn't print out saying "the godfather is the second best movie" or "lobster is the best food" and have anyone feel anything strongly past "I guess those are things a lot of people like" and then them listing their own personal opinion that is probably not "she is 78% attractive" "it actually is the second best movie" or "lobster is my favorite food"
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2018 23:04
|
|
|
Slavvy posted:That's pretty short sighted I think. What happens when the good-looking-meter reaches, say, 70% agreement with the general population's idea of attractive? The app or whatever will start a feedback loop (you won't BELIEVE where these celebrities land on the sexymeter!)wherein the good looks categorised by the software become aspirational. Sure, people want to look like Kim Kardashian or whatever the gently caress right now but if you had a numerical gauge for how close to Kim's level you are I can see it getting a whole lot worse. The benefit to society is that people stop dressing like fat slobs. This both benefits society in general (no more fat slobs to look at) and the fat slobs themselves (they might now have a chance of getting laid). Its pretty simple.
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2018 02:01
|
|
|
Blut posted:Some people have absolutely no sense of what colours, styles, or fits go together in their clothes. Particularly Americans, who seem to have a timeless love for Walmart jeans and baggy tshirts. You don't like t-shirts and jeans, they are comfortable and cheap, they endure for a reason. What the gently caress is with this thread? Automation is useful at making work easier so we have more time to be humans but all you goony dicks want machines to be human for you so you can capitalism harder. Like gently caress me, if it's so trivial to dress well that an ai could be made overnight then just loving learn how to dress your self. It will take you ten minutes on YouTube and then day to day, go nuts, ask another flesh bag of you look like poo poo. Sure you got bullied a lot in highschool but that was because you're awkward as hell and kid are cruel Basterds. You're adults now and people like interacting with other people, we are social monkeys, they won't hurt you. The world isn't a game of DND you don't dress to min max on some loving spread sheet, grow up. I mean at least it's automation of something you are talking about but your analysis of it is "yes I am a social retard, I would love an ai mum to dress me and tell me I am special!". The paperback sci fi about a world of man babies, dressed by all loving algorithms and growing food in their yards by letting a specialised green thumb quad copter do the work, writes itself. It's the saddest most pathetic future you could go for, one where people exist to watch tools live for them instead of work for them. Somewhere in all the bitching about people only seeing bad futures, with no work but the same work or die society, you all switched to letting the tail wag the dog.
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2018 06:49
|
|
|
And not even bringing up how automated beauty standards based on celebrities and popular opinion are absolutely going to poo poo on minorities, racial and sexual.
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2018 07:14
|
|
|
And the hell that people will inflict on each other once armed with a 'statistical' "scientific" '"objective"'  unbiased measurement of how undesirable someone is.
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2018 07:21
|
|
|
Inescapable Duck posted:And not even bringing up how automated beauty standards based on celebrities and popular opinion are absolutely going to poo poo on minorities, racial and sexual. I get the feeling that kinda poo poo will get better rather than worse. Once somebody lays down a formula that, even if on basis of learning from a dataset, hands out a rating, there can be a fact driven resistance to the results along the lines of "hey, bitch, you clearly are not representing X enough" and techies will be lot more able to comprehend/accept that than some trash fashion magazine of the old.
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2018 11:26
|
|
|
Tasmantor posted:You don't like t-shirts and jeans, they are comfortable and cheap, they endure for a reason. There's a lot of people who opt out of social interaction altogether if they can. If you can ease at least one of the things they really don't enjoy doing and it ends up being what tips them between bothering and not bothering to be social, you did them service (and common good, unless you also happen to prefer some eugenic view that it's better to wait till they off themselves). You sound like somebody trying to very aggressively and dismissively lecture people about dealing with problems you've never experienced. If you have the good will and idea how to deal help the asocial (whom you definitely can't call simply a product of technology as they have been recognized pretty much all the way through recorded history) in a more organic way, by all means, go do that! But don't scream and flail because somebody else came up with a crutchy tech based solution. Teal fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Jan 7, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2018 11:35
|
|
|
Tasmantor posted:You don't like t-shirts and jeans, they are comfortable and cheap, they endure for a reason. No, the world doesn't like Walmart jeans and baggy tshirts. By almost any culture on the planet's standards Americans dress like poo poo. Somehow the average French person, or Argentinian, or Japanese, manages to dress themselves in properly fitted clothing. My hope is the Amazon Echo helps the many many Americans who don't to up their game. And on the one hand you say its "so trivial to dress well" yet on the other you're defending Walmart jeans and baggy tshirts? Hmm 
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2018 13:28
|
|
|
Tasmantor posted:You don't like t-shirts and jeans, they are comfortable and cheap, they endure for a reason. Like in your mind wearing a walmart teeshirt and jeans is a grown up adult outfit for mature people but if amazon dot com had a box that said "we think you might look nice in this" everything becomes a hellish infantile world for manbabies?
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2018 14:45
|
|
|
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/1/7/16854206/foldimate-laundry-folding-machine-ces-2018 Not terribly useful at this point, as it's large, expensive, only marginally faster than folding the clothes yourself, and requires that you feed in each item carefully one at a time, but maybe someday?
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 12:34
|
|
|
Cicero posted:https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/1/7/16854206/foldimate-laundry-folding-machine-ces-2018 Okay, I would consider paying $1000 extra on a slightly bigger washmachine that would come with all-included "throw dirty clothes in, receive neat stacks of clean clothes" mode but buying another washmachine sized appliance that you have to individually feed each article of clothing to get it folded speaks of not just being unreasonable or unconcerned with money, but lacking any semblance of understanding of the work process. Once the piece of clothing is washed, dried, and in your arms, folding it takes it like, maybe a whole 2 seconds longer than feeding it into this joke. This is genuinely comical.
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 13:53
|
|
|
I'd buy one if I owned a laundromat.
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 14:19
|
|
|
It seems like the sort of thing where if it got good it wouldn't be revolutionary enough anyone would be retrofitting their existing laundry room to have one but people starting fresh might buy one. The same way a lot of rural america or old europe has hot and cold water separate taps because hot water was invented way later than indoor plumbing and everyone used to it being separate just never saw the point of fixing it. Same with toilets and bidets. Like I can imagine in 40 years that being a fun trivia thing, like "hey, did you know if you go to china everyone has laundry folding stations? why don't we have that" followed by everyone going "heh" but not actually getting one.
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 15:01
|
|
|
Teal posted:This is genuinely comical.
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 15:05
|
|
|
Cicero posted:Sure it's dumb now, but it's an incremental step towards something that would be actually useful. I mean, I'm not making fun of the progress in ability to mechanically handle an assorted shapes of soft, hard to label stuff, but as a product this is pretty atrocious.
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 15:21
|
|
|
Teal posted:it takes it like, maybe a whole 2 seconds longer than feeding it into this joke. This is genuinely comical. If it's doing 40 items in 2 minutes then that is 3 seconds per item. Adding 2 seconds to each is a HUGE difference if you have to do a significant number.
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 15:23
|
|
|
Teal posted:I mean, I'm not making fun of the progress in ability to mechanically handle an assorted shapes of soft, hard to label stuff, but as a product this is pretty atrocious.
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 15:25
|
|
|
It seems a bit like the 'ironing machines' that were sold in various forms by mail order catalogs and industrial supply places in the 80s and 90s. The home ones were a joke and more hassle than ironing, but the commercial ones were a massive help for large scale laundries and clothes factories. Everyone remembers the home ones and rolls their eyes when you talk about them, but the concepts developed were useful.
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 15:28
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:It seems a bit like the 'ironing machines' that were sold in various forms by mail order catalogs and industrial supply places in the 80s and 90s. The home ones were a joke and more hassle than ironing, but the commercial ones were a massive help for large scale laundries and clothes factories. They were adopted for use on imperial dreadnaughts at least
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 15:33
|
|
|
Cicero posted:https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/1/7/16854206/foldimate-laundry-folding-machine-ces-2018 Ugh I am always underwater with laundry at our house. We have two adults and two twin 5 year olds that are constantly in some stage of dirty since they spend all day running around outside with the dog. I’d totally buy one of these if it were a hair cheaper or my kids were tall enough to clip the clothes on and run the machine for me.
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 17:10
|
|
|
Tasmantor posted:I love tools, they make life better but seriously it didn't take long to learn how the purple around you feel about things. Like if after a year or two you can't read your partner's mood accurately most of the time, or after a few weeks learn what the baby wants from the cry/actions then you got issues. If the tools are made to help autistics then cool but the only help that will offer most people is that if someone is using their phone to see how you feel then they are an autistic or good level sperg Lord gently caress head. Otoh the future where autistic people go around wearing scouters from dbz to help them socialize is a future I'd love to live in.
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 17:43
|
|
|
Stairmaster posted:Otoh the future where autistic people go around wearing scouters from dbz to help them socialize is a future I'd love to live in. "Okay this thing says you're really mad at me right now but I have no idea why. Would you mind helping me with some search parameters?"
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2018 18:48
|
|
Stairmaster posted:Otoh the future where autistic people go around wearing scouters from dbz to help them socialize is a future I'd love to live in. Sorta like Google Glasses except more tragic than funny. If you're clueless enough to take marketing without any salt and not see it as the giant Kick Me sign it'd be even if it worked as advertised (even more than your everyday autism-spectrum weirdness) you probably really need the help. Glassholes of yesteryear by comparison all had comfy jobs to let them make frivolous stupid purchases. 
|
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2018 03:49
|
|
|
Ignatius M. Meen posted:Sorta like Google Glasses except more tragic than funny. If you're clueless enough to take marketing without any salt and not see it as the giant Kick Me sign it'd be even if it worked as advertised (even more than your everyday autism-spectrum weirdness) you probably really need the help. Glassholes of yesteryear by comparison all had comfy jobs to let them make frivolous stupid purchases. That is true of anything though, if there is any technology that helps disabled people it ends up being the butt of jokes. Even wheelchair users face a ton of real cruelty over it. Even really basic stuff like glasses that are so common no one can get too into being too mean about them have a lingering cloud of mockery.
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2018 03:56
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 8, 2024 13:07 |
|
|
We need an app to track how many threads owl of cream cheese has ruined
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2018 04:03
|
|
