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Billzasilver posted:I sense a contradiction I could be more verbose if you want me to, and I think that would demonstrate what he's talking about.
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To summarize: The plot is poorly conveyed It’s not particularly interesting to begin with
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Jan 6, 2018 23:00
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sponges posted:To summarize: Really? Let me convey it to you with 17 pages on game theory, it’s actually quite elementary!
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Jan 6, 2018 23:01
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sponges posted:To summarize: The events we've just been describing are not the plot.
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Jan 6, 2018 23:01
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Bongo Bill posted:I could be more verbose if you want me to, and I think that would demonstrate what he's talking about. Lmao you illiterate scum idiot fool. If it’s not complicated, you should try being less verbose.
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Jan 6, 2018 23:03
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Lmao great thread
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Jan 6, 2018 23:03
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The playoffs are on right now you loving nerds
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Jan 6, 2018 23:04
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Bongo Bill posted:The events we've just been describing are not the plot. Lines of dialog peppered through the beginning and middle of the movie are not the plot, gotcha
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Billzasilver posted:Lmao you illiterate scum idiot fool. If it’s not complicated, you should try being less verbose. In your earlier post, you seemed to think that something that is simple could not be described with an excessive amount of words. Now you seem to think that it can. I don't know why you think that matters, however.
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My biggest problem with the plot of Ep 1 was it never explained why Qui Gon took Anakin and made him call him "master." Is he really a pedophile like Watto implies?
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Jan 6, 2018 23:07
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Those Naboo fighter planes are so fuckin sweet 
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Jan 6, 2018 23:08
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Bongo Bill posted:In your earlier post, you seemed to think that something that is simple could not be described with an excessive amount of words. Now you seem to think that it can. I don't know why you think that matters, however. What
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Jan 6, 2018 23:09
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Is that as not verbose as you can possibly get?
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Jan 6, 2018 23:12
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Baddie wants riches. He lets people die. True villain starts killing, for chaos.
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Jan 6, 2018 23:13
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Taxchat was fun
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Baddie wants riches. He lets people die. Atta boy. Now if you could reconcile this with “he wants everything done legally,” we might start to have a good movie.
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Jan 6, 2018 23:16
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Billzasilver posted:What Your response to that was pretty much to dishonestly cut out the context to imply that I'm saying the only way to explain the plot is by using lots of words.
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Jan 6, 2018 23:17
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Billzasilver posted:Atta boy. Now if you could reconcile this with “he wants everything done legally,” we might start to have a good movie. Baddie wants riches. Lets people die; it's not illegal. True villain starts killing, for chaos. Doesn't care.
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Jan 6, 2018 23:19
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Martman posted:There's no contradiction in what I said. My claim is that you're dishonestly arguing in a way that pretty much requires a more thorough explanation, and then when it comes out you point to it and go "wow look at this wall of text! So boring!" Not seeing a problem here
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Jan 6, 2018 23:32
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It is preferable to talk about movies in good faith, even ones you don't like.
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Jan 6, 2018 23:33
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Bongo Bill posted:It is preferable to talk about movies in good faith, even ones you don't like. Lighten up
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Jan 6, 2018 23:35
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It's preferable to shitpost about Star Wars because it will hopefully keep goons too distracted to start saying the Force is God and Lucas can do no wrong
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Jeb! Repetition posted:It's preferable to shitpost about Star Wars because it will hopefully keep goons too distracted to start saying the Force is God and Lucas can do no wrong No one in this thread has said that "Lucas can do no wrong."
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let us not forget that george lucas presided over this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSqslieMkcI they can't all be winners
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The basic problem we've run into here is that people want to understand things without doing the work of paying attention. The word 'tax' evokes work, apparently, so people instantly check out - even though Quigon himself explains that the whole tax dispute thing is trivial bullshit: "I sense an unusual amount of fear, for something as trivial as this trade dispute." And it's true. He's right: the entire rest of the film, you get very clear, unambiguous imagery of skeleton armies invading a decadent pleasure-world. There is nothing complicated. But the word 'tax' makes people think that they missed something - because they didn't do the work. The scary tax-concept grows and grows, unexamined, until it overwhelms the brain.
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Jan 6, 2018 23:58
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Serf posted:let us not forget that george lucas presided over this Anyone else want to meet the imperial officer in this one though? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYRHngrc4o0
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The basic problem we've run into here is that people want to understand things without doing the work of paying attention. The word 'tax' evokes work, apparently, so people instantly check out - even though Quigon himself explains that the whole tax dispute thing is trivial bullshit: All of this amounts to it........not being simple?!? If you wanna talk about bad faith, cut the smuggo act of the movie being so clear and easy to understand if we just had the same galaxy brain as you and did the same 7 paragraphs of work. Billzasilver fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Billzasilver posted:All of this amounts to it........not being simple?!? Galaxy brain: understands all 20 lines of Episode I's opening crawl, two of which are "Episode I" and "The Phantom Menace."
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Serf posted:let us not forget that george lucas presided over this I too am horrified at the idea of Star Wars for the children.
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The actual details of the trade dispute aren't really important, it's all just a pretext anyway.
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wyoming posted:I too am horrified at the idea of Star Wars for the children. Yeah he sound horrified
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wyoming posted:I too am horrified at the idea of Star Wars for the children. clone wars ruled actually
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CountFosco posted:Imagine if Coca Cola initiated a blockade of Trinidad using a hired mercenary fleet of small cruisers, because Trinidad decided to raise tariffs on Coke products dramatically. I have some great news for you regarding Coca-Cola's "business partners" handling fertile land and working class people outside of the US. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1448962.stm
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Neo Rasa posted:I have some great news for you regarding Coca-Cola's "business partners" handling fertile land and working class people outside of the US. You say this as though I chose Coke randomly. The choice was intentional on my part.
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You’re looking at things backwards: what kind of people would chose to import food from the other side of the galaxy rather than use their land for farming? Rich people.Irony Be My Shield posted:The actual details of the trade dispute aren't really important, it's all just a pretext anyway. That’s partly true. The taxes are unimportant, except that they are an insult to the Nemoidians. The ‘diplomatic’ scenes establish that the Republic is human supremacist (i.e. white supremacist). The Nemoidians are the perpetual losers, even though they take pains to operate within the law, because the Republic has a monopoly on force and looks down on their kind. They are not ‘just evil’, but reacting to a long legacy of mistreatment. They aren’t nazis; they’re merchants. The war explodes out of these underlying tensions.
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I like the theory you posted a year ago about how they were a parody of Spock "Nimoy dians" could you go into that again? I don't think I agree but it was a fun read
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I like the theory you posted a year ago about how they were a parody of Spock "Nimoy dians" could you go into that again? I don't think I agree but it was a fun read It's not really a theory. In early drafts they really were called Shatnerians, but Lucas changed it because that was clearly too on-the-nose. It's a joke based on the rivalry between the two series. That's why the villains in Episode I are the Federation, and they have bridges like this: 
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wyoming posted:I too am horrified at the idea of Star Wars for the children. That show wasn't aimed at kids, it was aimed at the Robot Chicken crowd. It was also one of the least funny things I've ever seen.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The actual details of the trade dispute aren't really important, it's all just a pretext anyway. The actual details aren't that complicated anyway. The crawl establishes it all in like two lines: The Trade Federation is mad about taxes on trade routes to planets like Naboo, so it blockades Naboo in protest. If you're an adult, this is a trivial thing to understand. If you're a kid, it doesn't matter. The Trade Federation are just greedy bad guys trying to take over the planet where the nice Gungans and Naboo live, and taxes and trade disputes are only mentioned in like two or three lines in the actual movie. It isn't any more complicated than the idea in A New Hope that the Death Star is necessary to hold the galaxy together in the wake of the dissolution of the Senate bureaucracy, as a result of the need to maintain control over all the restless, far-flung territories of the Empire; this was previously accomplished by giving those territories a sense of at least nominal representation in the imperial government, but when the Emperor takes that away, the only alternative is for the Empire to rule by instilling a fear of complete and instant annihilation in all his subjects. Obviously most kids aren't going to understand all that political stuff, but it doesn't matter, because it's explicitly designed to enrich the understanding of older viewers while not impeding the enjoyment of younger viewers. To kids, the Empire is just a bunch of bad guys who are bad for the sake of it, and they're blowing up planets just because they're mean and evil. (And, ultimately, the kids aren't wrong.)
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