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Nebakenezzer posted:The highly successful Washington Post: quote:People in the United States are moving at about half the rate that they did in the 1970s and '80s, ... and no one really understands why. There are obvious economic barriers to moving. Who even writes this poo poo? It cost me ~ $1.5k to move one apartment of furniture across state lines a few years ago, and the average american cannot afford a $500 expense. not rocket science at all.
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GoluboiOgon posted:Who even writes this poo poo? It cost me ~ $1.5k to move one apartment of furniture across state lines a few years ago, and the average american cannot afford a $500 expense. not rocket science at all. usually cheaper just to buy new furniture tbh
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/world/europe/monarchy-us-advantage.html look at the amazing sources they quote. the primary source is Count Tolstoi, a relative of that Tolstoi and a ukip candidate. also, this is another source quoted, a thinktank funded by an iranian exile and an ethopian exile. http://strategicstudies.org/Monarchy%20Center/Monarchy-Patrons.htm
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The NHS needs and requests vastly more money than the Tories are willing to give it https://twitter.com/BretStephensNYT/status/949178042286354432
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Jose posted:The NHS needs and requests vastly more money than the Tories are willing to give it Um I think this demonstrates that single payer can never poss- 
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the NHS is also, notably, a completely different healthcare system than single payer
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GoluboiOgon posted:Who even writes this poo poo? It cost me ~ $1.5k to move one apartment of furniture across state lines a few years ago, and the average american cannot afford a $500 expense. not rocket science at all. Listen the theory says all the good little atoms move to where the jobs are and that process is completely frictionless OR I don't give a poo poo about the problems involved
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the bitcoin of weed posted:the NHS is also, notably, a completely different healthcare system than single payer the NHS is a single payer healthcare system, 'single payer' is just a characteristic of (some) universal health-care systems, it's not a term specific to any one healthcare program
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important to note the second paragraph of that article quote:Cuts to the National Health Service budget in Britain have left hospitals stretched over the winter for years
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Jose posted:The NHS needs and requests vastly more money than the Tories are willing to give it
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/949915189180235776 "the Burning Yourself Alive movement claims that the world would be better off if more people burned themselves alive"
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comedyblissoption posted:Chronic underfunding of the NHS just shows the moral bankruptcy of liberal ideology. What is the point of winning a concession if you have to stay eternally vigilant and indefinitely fighting capitalists to maintain your concessions? Any reforms we make will be stolen from us because any power that we have is at their choice because the system of capitalism rewards the biggest sociopaths to be in control.
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comedyblissoption posted:Chronic underfunding of the NHS just shows the moral bankruptcy of liberal ideology. What is the point of winning a concession if you have to stay eternally vigilant and indefinitely fighting capitalists to maintain your concessions? Literally zero liberals that I've asked this have ever managed to even begin to answer these kinds of questions.
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the bitcoin of weed posted:"the Burning Yourself Alive movement claims that the world would be better off if more people burned themselves alive" they're right
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comedyblissoption posted:Chronic underfunding of the NHS just shows the moral bankruptcy of liberal ideology. What is the point of winning a concession if you have to stay eternally vigilant and indefinitely fighting capitalists to maintain your concessions? defending programs against an opposition: something only liberals have to do, apparently
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Cerebral Bore posted:Literally zero liberals that I've asked this have ever managed to even begin to answer these kinds of questions. people that settle for liberalism instead of just going through a phase of it are idiots
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comedyblissoption posted:Chronic underfunding of the NHS just shows the moral bankruptcy of liberal ideology. What is the point of winning a concession if you have to stay eternally vigilant and indefinitely fighting capitalists to maintain your concessions? need to model our social reforms on the enduring ones of countries like the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia
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Fallen Hamprince posted:need to model our social reforms on the enduring ones of countries like the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia this but unironically
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The Russian Federation still has universal healthcare so...
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LinYutang posted:defending programs against an opposition: something only liberals have to do, apparently
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weird how all the stupid financial, media, airline and everything deregulation has about a 0% probability of being rolled back, because it's in the interests of capital to maintain it, yet even a modicum of social welfare has to be fought for tooth and nail, constantly, and that's even before the rich just buy out both parties, so you get a 'grand bargain' poo poo sandwich and don't have a choice anymore hell of a democracy
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remember when stagflation caused the end of full employment as a political objective, because it was such a terrible thing to have happen and the GFC happens, an objectively worse thing, directly because of deregulation, but instead of this massive change, instead the banks get a bailout, no questions asked, and nothing fundamentally changes im sure that's got nothing to do with the effect of capital on democracy, no ratcheting going on here, no sir
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or remember the perpetual, popular mass actions, petitions and poo poo, directly targeted against repealing net netruality, that happened annually in the early 2010s, that clearly demonstrated the non-partisan and common interest in that policy but then trump gets in, it's just gone, no debate, no discussion, just gone, for no other reason than that the telecoms company wanted it, nobody else even benefited, not even other tech companies
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Russian Federation still has universal healthcare so... only sort of, the quality of the free healthcare is really bad, forcing people to use private insurers and doctors. i know people who are having American style insurance problems as treatments are randomly not covered so private insurers and hospitals can make money. quote:Due to the ongoing Russian financial crisis since 2014, major cuts in health spending have resulted in a decline in the quality of service of the state healthcare system. About 40% of basic medical facilities have fewer staff than they are supposed to have, with others being closed down. Waiting times for treatment have increased, and patients have been forced to pay for more services that were previously free. they also have huge problems with counterfeit medicines
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GoluboiOgon posted:
Counterfeit in that the medicine is placebo (or worse), or counterfeit as in it's a copy of whatever that Aids drug is that some American pharmacutical company made, and they aren't being paid for?
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Counterfeit in that the medicine is placebo (or worse), or counterfeit as in it's a copy of whatever that Aids drug is that some American pharmacutical company made, and they aren't being paid for? counterfeit as in mislabeled placebo.
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read the title as the flailing new york times and was a lot more excited about the thread for a moment
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GoluboiOgon posted:only sort of, the quality of the free healthcare is really bad, forcing people to use private insurers and doctors. i know people who are having American style insurance problems as treatments are randomly not covered so private insurers and hospitals can make money. my experience is only in moscow, but they have made some big investments into federal healthcare facilities recently, which means very good medicine that is almost completely covered by state insurance. however you have to know where to find this so yes you do need to know the bureaucracy to get the good poo poo
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rudatron posted:yeah pretty much communist programs: have never been rolled back ,ever
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gently caress off you dumb nerd, quit making GBS threads up the good thread with bad thread grievances
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capitalism wants you to believe in the false dichotomy of authoritarian soviet state capitalism and american oligarchic private capitalism
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please post about the failing new york times in the failing new york times thread and leave the rose vs donut emoji foreverwar in the succ zone, a zone designed to house succ
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Fallen Hamprince posted:need to model our social reforms on the enduring ones of countries like the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia Unlike Yugoslavia, fortunately the US wouldn't have to deal with US hostility and trade sanctions if it went socialist. While "the hostility of capitalist nations" is definitely a problem to overcome, it's misleading to act like it's an inherent quality of socialism.
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GoluboiOgon posted:only sort of, the quality of the free healthcare is really bad, forcing people to use private insurers and doctors. i know people who are having American style insurance problems as treatments are randomly not covered so private insurers and hospitals can make money. At least they don't have problems sterilizing needles anymore In the 1980s vaccines were unpopular in the USSR - not because of anti-vaxx horseshit but because they weren't sterilizing the needles and as a result people getting inoculations were also getting hepatitis
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comedyblissoption posted:capitalism wants you to believe in the false dichotomy of authoritarian soviet state capitalism and american oligarchic private capitalism are you suggesting some kind of... third way?
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