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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
https://twitter.com/danagould/status/940823721400569857

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Detective Thompson
Nov 9, 2007

Sammy Davis Jr. Jr. is also in repose.

I don't remember this scene from The Abyss, but yeah, it's pretty boss.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



That just reminds me of a line of his from a New Yorker profile while he was making Avatar, where he said something like, anybody can be a husband or father but there's only five guys who can do what I do

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

That just reminds me of a line of his from a New Yorker profile while he was making Avatar, where he said something like, anybody can be a husband or father but there's only five guys who can do what I do

He's not wrong. Also I'm pretty sure he's a terrible husband so it's odd he'd set that as a baseline of competency.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Krispy Wafer posted:

He's not wrong. Also I'm pretty sure he's a terrible husband so it's odd he'd set that as a baseline of competency.

Linda Hamilton has absolutely said that he was emotionally abusive and manipulative during their marriage, and I think Gale Ann Hurd has said similar things.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Timby posted:

Linda Hamilton has absolutely said that he was emotionally abusive and manipulative during their marriage, and I think Gale Ann Hurd has said similar things.

I'm pretty sure Kathryn Bigelow isn't a huge fan of him either.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Skwirl posted:

I'm pretty sure Kathryn Bigelow isn't a huge fan of him either.

Ah, so she's seen Avatar...

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Ah, so she's seen Avatar...
OTOH she filmed his terrible script for Strange Days.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Raxivace posted:

OTOH she filmed his terrible script for Strange Days.

I like Strange Days!

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Raxivace posted:

OTOH she filmed his terrible script for Strange Days.

Pretty sure Boogeystein will be here soon to smack you around for talking poo poo on Strange Days. Anyway, Jay Cocks wrote the actual script; by the time it was in actual development Cameron was busy with Titanic.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

I did not expect the villain in Strange Days to be so horrifyingly disgusting and evil but otherwise I really liked it. Just saw it for the first time on Netflix a couple months ago.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



Yeah it’s totally a cult classic, not really one deserving a swipe.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm
I didn’t like Strange Days that much either. Somehow it was in the same bucket as eXistenZ in my mind (wasn’t there also some Denzel Washington time-travel movie released in the late 90’s?). Let’s just say that the “Strange” part felt a tad underwhelming compared to eXistenZ. I thought it was too drat long also; that part is certainly Cameron-esque.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

EL BROMANCE posted:

For those either older than me (36) or with cooler parents, and you saw Terminator first and saw T2 in the cinema... was it a big ‘oh poo poo’ moment when Arnie turns out to be a good guy? Or did the marketing completely ruin that? I don’t remember the trailer, but I know the teaser is in the factory and doesn’t give anything away.

I saw T2 on premium cable, but knew nothing about the original so didn’t realize the film was trying to pull a fast one with the characterization.

I dont remember the movie hype, but I remember being disappointed with the computer game version of it.
And they hyped it as full on fighting robots and time travel.
Alas with most computer games at the time it was just lovely minigames.

Hockles
Dec 25, 2007

Resident of Camp Blood
Crystal Lake

david_a posted:

I didn’t like Strange Days that much either. Somehow it was in the same bucket as eXistenZ in my mind (wasn’t there also some Denzel Washington time-travel movie released in the late 90’s?). Let’s just say that the “Strange” part felt a tad underwhelming compared to eXistenZ. I thought it was too drat long also; that part is certainly Cameron-esque.

It didn't have any time-travel, but Virtuosity had some terrible computer ideas and effects.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

Hockles posted:

It didn't have any time-travel, but Virtuosity had some terrible computer ideas and effects.
That must have been it. That’s the movie that I always want to be related to Virtuoso even though I know it isn’t.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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Denzel Washington was in the time-travel movie Deja Vu by Tony Scott (rip) but that was 2006

Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



Lobok posted:

I did not expect the villain in Strange Days to be so horrifyingly disgusting and evil but otherwise I really liked it. Just saw it for the first time on Netflix a couple months ago.

Yeah the whole linking the headsets while raping someone so she feels what it's like to rape someone at the same time as she feels what it's like to be raped thing is pretty horrifying

Also Angela Basset is so good in that movie. And Juliette Lewis' covers of PJ Harvey songs are somehow good. Ralph Fiennes is wonderfully sleazy. Tom Sizemore hadn't completely lost his mind.

gently caress, I love Strange Days.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Quote-Unquote posted:

Yeah the whole linking the headsets while raping someone so she feels what it's like to rape someone at the same time as she feels what it's like to be raped thing is pretty horrifying

Also Angela Basset is so good in that movie. And Juliette Lewis' covers of PJ Harvey songs are somehow good. Ralph Fiennes is wonderfully sleazy. Tom Sizemore hadn't completely lost his mind.

gently caress, I love Strange Days.

Yeah, it's really excellent. That headset idea is so terrifying but also awfully plausible.

JonathonSpectre
Jul 23, 2003

I replaced the Shermatar and text with this because I don't wanna see racial slurs every time you post what the fuck

Soiled Meat
Holy poo poo there are people who don't like Strange Days?

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

The headset stuff never at all landed for me because no matter how unique they described it, it never felt like more than just fairly standard POV footage I was watching. Like it almost should have just been about cameras directly, like Peeping Tom or something Idk.

david_a posted:

I thought it was too drat long also; that part is certainly Cameron-esque.
More than anything though this is the biggest issue for me. The film feels too long by like an entire hour.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
What's the difference between a remake and a reboot? Don't they both kickstart a new universe/timeline/whatever for that property?

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

I think the only difference is that a remake isn’t necessarily trying to become a long running series of any kind.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Leavemywife posted:

What's the difference between a remake and a reboot? Don't they both kickstart a new universe/timeline/whatever for that property?

Remakes are typically just that... remakes. The tone and story usually stay the same. Just maybe updated.

Reboots are generally a reimagining or rethinking of a story. And if it's a series of movies, then typically the reboot erases all other movies and says "we're not beholden to the other stories or continuities - it's anything goes from here on out."

That's a gross over generalization, but you get the idea.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
Thanks for the quick replies. I hadn't really thought about it before. I suppose that's how Star Trek could bring Spock in; they were a reboot of the series.

Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



Raxivace posted:

The headset stuff never at all landed for me because no matter how unique they described it, it never felt like more than just fairly standard POV footage I was watching

At the bit where Lenny's playing the clip of "just an 18 year old girl taking a shower" and you just see the customer's reaction, where he's practically jizzing himself. My girlfriend (at the time) said "wait, I thought this machine made you feel like the person being recorded felt? What the gently caress do men think we do in the shower?"

To this day we have never agreed if it was supposed to be porn or, as she thought, literally "just an 18 year old girl taking a shower". It's been 17 years.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Quote-Unquote posted:

At the bit where Lenny's playing the clip of "just an 18 year old girl taking a shower" and you just see the customer's reaction, where he's practically jizzing himself. My girlfriend (at the time) said "wait, I thought this machine made you feel like the person being recorded felt? What the gently caress do men think we do in the shower?"

To this day we have never agreed if it was supposed to be porn or, as she thought, literally "just an 18 year old girl taking a shower". It's been 17 years.

Seems like the playback is overlaid on top of your normal consciousness. The user's senses and thought and experience isn't completely wiped out or taken over or else we wouldn't see the users react or they wouldn't be able to choose to open their eyes and ruin the effect (which is specifically mentioned). So it could be the guy is just wilding out from the sensation and excitement of feeling her up, as her, even though she didn't make anything sexual out of it. Though she would have known what she was doing either way because she had to record it.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



Also: Remake became a dirty word, so reboot was used as it sounds more favorable.

I thought Creed was a pretty good example of reboot done right. Didn’t wipe out any of the history, kept a major character in from the older movies but told a new story about a new lead. You could jump in having never seen a Rocky film, or be a longtime fan and both get the same level of enjoyment.

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007


Strange Days is the best film. It took me a long time to understand the extreme, visceral hate of it by my old flatmate's gf because of that scene, but I'll always love it for the sheer elation the whole NYE sequence inspires. Also the soundtrack, but was sad that Me Phi Me didn't appear to ever do anything as good as that one (I guess novelty) track.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

EL BROMANCE posted:

I thought Creed was a pretty good example of reboot done right. Didn’t wipe out any of the history, kept a major character in from the older movies but told a new story about a new lead. You could jump in having never seen a Rocky film, or be a longtime fan and both get the same level of enjoyment.

Creed's greatest accomplishment is that despite Rocky being in it quite a bit more than you might expect, at no point whatsoever does the movie stop feeling like Donnie's story, through and through.

couldcareless
Feb 8, 2009

Spheal used Swagger!
Shape of Water question (spoilering just in case)
Why doesn't Sally Hawkins' character use her bed, instead opting for the couch? You can see it in the background in a few shots. Is there some significance to this that I missed?

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
Restlessness.

Unmature
May 9, 2008
As Kyle Kinane once said "Y'ever sleep on the couch instead of your bed so it feels like someone's with you?"

couldcareless
Feb 8, 2009

Spheal used Swagger!
That makes a lot of sense. I never considered that angle (mostly because I actual relish having the whole bed to myself when my wife is away)

CopywrightMMXI
Jun 1, 2011

One time a guy stole some downhill skis out of my jeep and I was so mad I punched a mailbox. I'm against crime, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
Do actors get paid for movies where previously filmed footage of them is used? For example footage of Patrick Wilson and Rose Byrne from the original Insidious appears in the newest installment of that franchise. Do Wilson and Byrne get any sort of compensation for technically appearing in Insidious 4?

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

CopywrightMMXI posted:

Do actors get paid for movies where previously filmed footage of them is used? For example footage of Patrick Wilson and Rose Byrne from the original Insidious appears in the newest installment of that franchise. Do Wilson and Byrne get any sort of compensation for technically appearing in Insidious 4?

I think if there's lines spoken they usually do, if it's just silent images it's a lot more dicey. Although after Peter Cushing in Rogue One I think we will see a film starring a cgi likeness of a young up and comer who signed the wrong contract and will get no compensation within our lifetime.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Crispin Glover got $750,000k when Back to the Future II used his likeness without his permission. I think they used footage from the first film (okay) and they had an actor play Glover's rendition of McFly while hanging upside down so you couldn't tell it wasn't him (not okay).

So a lot depends on how good your lawyer is.

UNRULY_HOUSEGUEST
Jul 19, 2006

mea culpa
It's weirdly hard to track down how it works in practice now franchises are so much the norm, but the answer is almost certainly yes. Studios retain the rights to the characters and dialogue, but not the actor's voice or image. SAG policy is that actors are always owed money for re-use of their performance in anything but a trailer - even promotional features for a film count as a separate usage.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something
Rights issues are so weird in Hollywood. Like how Disney owns everything Star Wars.... except the actual original three Star Wars movies.

EDIT: Oh wait, poo poo. I just looked this up and Disney just bought Fox like a month ago, so they finally do own everything Star Wars. One more small step to hopefully getting Blu-Rays of the untouched originals.

Bloody Hedgehog fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Jan 25, 2018

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david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

CopywrightMMXI posted:

Do actors get paid for movies where previously filmed footage of them is used? For example footage of Patrick Wilson and Rose Byrne from the original Insidious appears in the newest installment of that franchise. Do Wilson and Byrne get any sort of compensation for technically appearing in Insidious 4?
Michael Biehn made almost as much money from a single blurry picture of him in Alien 3 than he did starring in Aliens, but he was being kind of being a jerk since Fox attempted to use his likeness without asking (I suspect they did not have a dummy of a chest-bursted Hicks though; it was probably just the mangled corpse that shows up in the film that somebody saw).

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