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Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa
wolfe wasn't a fascist, and wrote "i have a thing to tell you" about the plight of jews in germany, which he decried before the american government itself did so. i think it is going to be difficult for you to tackle your project of reading fascists authors with a critical eye if your standards for fascism is "i overheard that somebody used the word about them."

wolfe was instead a huge racist, please get it right.

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Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa
i shelve my books according to mazlow's hierarchy of needs. so medical textbooks and cookbooks on the bottom shelf, then self defense manuals, then pornography, and continuing on in this fashion until self-actualization at the top shelf, which is currently empty.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Books should be organized so that the ones that make you appear most interesting to your guests are eye level

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

Ishiguro owns, I read Remains of the Day and Never Let Me Go back in high school and those were probably the best books I had read at the time. they're on my list for a reread because I haven't read them in a long time (just about six years now)

Boatswain
May 29, 2012

TheManFromFOXHOUND posted:

Yes. I mean I expect to have a say in it, but I also expect to be influenced in ways I don't expect, and are bad.

This is a very Platonic/Hobbesian of you. Would you ban Poetry from the City? How do you reason 'bad' texts will influence you in covert ways?

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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High school

Six years ago



*thatshittymspainthmmmface*

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Books should be organized so that the ones that make you appear most interesting to your guests are eye level

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

My books are of course organised on a Dantean schema, with separate inferno, purgatorio, and paradiso bookshelves, organised according to the book's major sins and virtues.

Mr. Squishy
Mar 22, 2010

A country where you can always get richer.

Tree Goat posted:

wolfe wasn't a fascist, and wrote "i have a thing to tell you" about the plight of jews in germany, which he decried before the american government itself did so. i think it is going to be difficult for you to tackle your project of reading fascists authors with a critical eye if your standards for fascism is "i overheard that somebody used the word about them."

wolfe was instead a huge racist, please get it right.

David Markson, spreading poo poo once more

Reader's Block posted:

Balzac wrote eighty-five novels in twenty years.
And made uncountable revisions in the proof sheets of each.

Thomas Wolfe was an anti-Semite.

Robinson Crusoe is on his island for twenty-eight years, two months, and nineteen days.

Fray Luis de Leon.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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J_RBG posted:

My books are of course organised on a Dantean schema, with separate inferno, purgatorio, and paradiso bookshelves, organised according to the book's major sins and virtues.

Where is dante

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

🍂🎃🏞️💦

This is violence

TheManFromFOXHOUND
Nov 5, 2011

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Where is dante

In the Inferno for blasphemy, obviously.

whatevz
Sep 22, 2013

I lack the most basic processes inherent in all living organisms: reproducing and dying.
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whatevz fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Apr 25, 2022

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

Tree Goat posted:

i shelve my books according to mazlow's hierarchy of needs. so medical textbooks and cookbooks on the bottom shelf, then self defense manuals, then pornography, and continuing on in this fashion until self-actualization at the top shelf, which is currently empty.

Same but I only have pornography so it’s easy. The ones that didn’t have dicks in them before have dicks in them now.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

TheManFromFOXHOUND posted:

Not to call you out or anything, but it's obvious that everyone in this thread skirts around this issue when someone brings it up. I've always felt weird when someone recommends Mishima, Pound, and now I guess Wolfe. When I read literature I expect the work to influence me in some way, so I'm not too excited to read fascist authors without an extremely critical eye. I'm pretty sure everyone acts so blasé around this issue because it's so difficult and honestly probably bigger than a thread about books on a dying, gay forum.

In closing, kill your local fascist, communism will win, etc. etc.

Also, why?

I love Mishima and Pound, I don't think their art even intrinsically has anything to do with fascism. Not even Runaway Horses.

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa
u know who else was worried about intellectual contagions....

thehoodie
Feb 8, 2011

"Eat something made with love and joy - and be forgiven"

TheManFromFOXHOUND posted:

Yes. I mean I expect to have a say in it, but I also expect to be influenced in ways I don't expect, and are bad.

Do you think you're going to suddenly become a fascist or something? Or like reading """fascist literature""" will awaken your nascent fascist that has been hidden inside you this whole time?

It seems to me one of the most important reasons to read a book is to have it challenge your view on the world and make you feel uncomfortable about yourself. I mean, would you not read Henry Miller because you might become a misogynist or something?

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Fascist writers who are explicitly fascist like Mishima are fine

Its the ones who you only find out are fascist by reading their bios you gotta worry about

looking at you Pound

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

My favorite thing I read in the Mishima biography by Henry Scott Stokes was that Mishima had a weird rear end laugh like "hyuk hyuk hyuk".

Douk Douk
Mar 17, 2009

Take your pervert war elsewhere.
It was pretty rad when I found out that a Nobel prize winner for literature later wrote a eulogy for Hitler calling him a "warrior of mankind" and "a prophet of the gospel of justice for all nations"

TheManFromFOXHOUND
Nov 5, 2011

thehoodie posted:

It seems to me one of the most important reasons to read a book is to have it challenge your view on the world and make you feel uncomfortable about yourself.

Just want to point out that I agree with this, and have already mentioned that I plan on reading Mishima this year.

thehoodie posted:

Do you think you're going to suddenly become a fascist or something? Or like reading """fascist literature""" will awaken your nascent fascist that has been hidden inside you this whole time?

I don't think that's how people become fascists at all. I think people become fascists by the normalization of fascist rhetoric and by viewing it as a viable and coherent political ideology. Anyway here's Eco's Ur-fascism because I'm done talking about this for now. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Douk Douk posted:

It was pretty rad when I found out that a Nobel prize winner for literature later wrote a eulogy for Hitler calling him a "warrior of mankind" and "a prophet of the gospel of justice for all nations"

Knut Hamsun by that point was a Trump who could write

Just an old pissed off conservative who got the majority of his news from rightwing papers

Not to excuse him by any means

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat
i have a stupid system that only makes sense to me. i organize my literature section by author's last name. other sections, like art or medieval literature or science textbooks, i organize by descending height because the author's last name doesn't matter/isn't known. or my history section, which is organized by region and then by time period.

Douk Douk posted:

It was pretty rad when I found out that a Nobel prize winner for literature later wrote a eulogy for Hitler calling him a "warrior of mankind" and "a prophet of the gospel of justice for all nations"

wheres the lie tho

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat
quit being a loving child and read some fascist literature

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Fascist writers who are explicitly fascist like Mishima are fine

Its the ones who you only find out are fascist by reading their bios you gotta worry about

looking at you Pound

lol if you have to read a bio to realize that the guy who wrote "Usura" and the cantos singing Mussolini's praises is a fash.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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at the date posted:

lol if you have to read a bio to realize that the guy who wrote "Usura" and the cantos singing Mussolini's praises is a fash.

Jokes on you I don't read poetry nerd

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat
mel please dont change your av it gives me anxiety

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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chernobyl kinsman posted:

mel please dont change your av it gives me anxiety

I don't

Others do :smith:

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!
I organize my books primarily based on whether I've read them or not. The unread books get their own shelf and are organized by page count, so that I can just take the shortest one if I don't have anything better to read. The read books I don't really have a system for, since they vary wildly in dimensions and I have to take that into account.

If I was made of money I'd just get ebooks versions of them and sell off the ones I can replace that way. It'd free up a lot of space.

derp
Jan 21, 2010

when i get up all i want to do is go to bed again

Lipstick Apathy
shelfs are for all the religious books my dad gives me and any other books that will never be read because holding a ream of paper in front of my eyes is so last decade

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
I organize my books by periodically trying to convince my wife, who has an actual master's degree in librarian, to organize the books. It makes her laugh, so that's a win.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Solitair posted:

I organize my books primarily based on whether I've read them or not. The unread books get their own shelf and are organized by page count, so that I can just take the shortest one if I don't have anything better to read. The read books I don't really have a system for, since they vary wildly in dimensions and I have to take that into account.

If I was made of money I'd just get ebooks versions of them and sell off the ones I can replace that way. It'd free up a lot of space.

I actually do something similar. Unread books go on the big shelf, read books go on other shelves or to the side (or get boxed up). Unread books are shelved based on size and the ones I'm interested in reading sooner go to the top of the stacks so I can reach them easier.

Then I have a shelf for books on art, film, literary criticisms and reference/grammar books. Also unorganized.

I actually prefer to organize them by author's last name, but it's just not practical until I get more shelves.

There should be a thread for this.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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a master's degree in librarian

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Mel Mudkiper posted:

a master's degree in librarian

Apparently there's more to it than just stamping decimal numbers onto book spines? Like, with the computer.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

I just dump them on my shelf without much thought.

Dr. Kloctopussy
Apr 22, 2003

"It's time....to DIE!"

Shibawanko posted:

I just dump them on my shelf without much thought.

This except without the shelf

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:
the majority of my books are ebooks

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Apparently there's more to it than just stamping decimal numbers onto book spines? Like, with the computer.

I was mocking your grammar not your wife's credentials

It's library science!

My dad has a master's degree in it too

Grew up with an academic library system at my fingertips. Wrote my fifth grade book report with sources from worldcat

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
Friend of mine with that degree always called himself a Libraryman. Also started working IT instead because, at the low level at a university, it's mostly the same work but libraryman gets no money.

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whatevz
Sep 22, 2013

I lack the most basic processes inherent in all living organisms: reproducing and dying.
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