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Kitchner posted:I mean they could pull an Archer and do an entire season in the mirror universe before going back to normal. That could be very good if done well. The show can have all the dark gritty gloom they apparently crave, without spoiling the essentially optimistic character of startrak. They would be able to do whatever they want without worrying about 50 years of canon. It it isn't done well it would be Voyager 2.0.
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Jan 8, 2018 17:38
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Yeah but dark voyager where they're accused of being war criminals was loving awesome
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Jan 8, 2018 17:58
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MA-Horus posted:Yeah but dark voyager where they're accused of being war criminals was loving awesome "accused of"
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Jan 8, 2018 17:58
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MA-Horus posted:Yeah but dark voyager where they're accused of being war criminals was loving awesome God drat that uniform really popped with the addition of black leather gloves.
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Jan 8, 2018 18:10
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I want to get dommed by Captain Killy 
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Jan 8, 2018 22:21
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Foreskin Problems posted:I want to get dommed by Captain Killy I'd enjoy a session with Killy, but I'd be thinking about Intendant Kira the whole time.
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Jan 8, 2018 22:37
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Calling it here: Mirror Mudd is the Terran Emperor.
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SpeakSlow posted:Calling it here: Mirror Mudd is the Terran Emperor. NO GOD NO PLEASE, GOD NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Jan 8, 2018 22:41
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Foreskin Problems posted:I want to get dommed by Captain Killy
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Jan 8, 2018 23:17
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man, I'm really really wanting to like STD but that episode rubbed me completely the wrong way. I've always been uneasy with the direction they're going with things, it's like the DC universe where they misinterpreted people wanting darker plots in certain types of shows as people wanting darker plots applied to super hero movies. Tonally this show feels so far off and this week's episode took it to a really terrible place I felt. The Trump administration analogy was laid on super heavy/sloppily and I'm kind of tired of all of the useless swearing and murder. the sex scene at the end of the episode just felt like the worst thing to end on and it was impossible for me to believe that murdering someone she remembered from her past got her all worked up enough to go get it on with the murderous klingon manchurian candidate
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Jan 8, 2018 23:27
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MMD3 posted:man, I'm really really wanting to like STD but that episode rubbed me completely the wrong way. I agree I found the continued dark tone and pointless violence off-putting. I'm still intrigued to see where the story goes, but when all the stabbing and torture happened in the mirror universe, it seemed so similar to stuff we've already been shown in their regular universe so it was a little depressing. That said, I don't get how episodes like this are supposedly heavy-handed Trump analogies. If anything, they just pay lip service to that stuff but don't actually go anywhere with it. Like in this episode, they had a few clunky lines about xenophobia and fear-based culture. But then the actual story didn't go anywhere remotely political or allegorical. It was just about the same cartoony evil universe tropes we've seen a dozen times in Trek. IMO, if you're going to go there, actually loving go there, old-Trek-style. Do a morality play about a thinly-disguised Planet Trump, or some civilization building a space wall or something.
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Jan 9, 2018 00:13
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Is all the criticism in this thread just going to be people projecting their political hangups on the series? Asking for a friend.
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SpeakSlow posted:Is all the criticism in this thread just going to be people projecting their political hangups on the series? Asking for a friend. Tell your stupid piece of poo poo friend to go back and read all the producer's interviews where they state the arc of the show is directly related to current politics as it was being created.
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Jan 9, 2018 01:07
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So, from the responses so far the show is still not good and I should keep holding off?
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Jan 9, 2018 01:15
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evilmiera posted:So, from the responses so far the show is still not good and I should keep holding off? Don’t take the opinions of people who devotedly watch every single episode so that they can bitch about how much they hate it too seriously imo
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Jan 9, 2018 01:20
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evilmiera posted:So, from the responses so far the show is still not good and I should keep holding off? I was way down on it but it's getting a little better. I am cautiously optimistic they can right the course. It suffers from it's protagonist being sabotaged pretty badly in the pilot and not being all that likable.
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Jan 9, 2018 01:21
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Space Camp fuckup posted:Don’t take the opinions of people who devotedly watch every single episode so that they can bitch about how much they hate it too seriously imo Heres an opinion of someone who hasnt seen a single episode: Don't watch it. It's going to be, at BEST, mediocre garbage. It's just a " broadest appeal" Marketing " just tick the boxes" nonsense.
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Jan 9, 2018 01:30
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evilmiera posted:So, from the responses so far the show is still not good and I should keep holding off? It's not great at being a Trek show and may piss you off here and there, but it's still good at hooking you in in various ways.
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Jan 9, 2018 01:48
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I agree I found the continued dark tone and pointless violence off-putting. I'm still intrigued to see where the story goes, but when all the stabbing and torture happened in the mirror universe, it seemed so similar to stuff we've already been shown in their regular universe so it was a little depressing. fair enough, it was just the one scene where they were explaining the terran empire or whatever but it was just a total rolleyes moment. I'm all for some Trump administration lampooning but it just felt really over the top.
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Jan 9, 2018 01:50
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evilmiera posted:So, from the responses so far the show is still not good and I should keep holding off? If you've waited this long you might as well wait for the season to end so you can binge it all at once. Is there going to be another billing period-spanning hiatus?
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Jan 9, 2018 01:51
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If I want gritty space stuff I'll watch The Expanse, if I want star trek I'll watch Orville. STD has no place in my heart.
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Jan 9, 2018 01:53
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MMD3 posted:fair enough, it was just the one scene where they were explaining the terran empire or whatever but it was just a total rolleyes moment. I'm all for some Trump administration lampooning but it just felt really over the top. I will agree that exposition landed like a thud, which I guess is why I was so frustrated it ultimately didn't even go anywhere.
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Jan 9, 2018 01:55
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Clark Nova posted:Is there going to be another billing period-spanning hiatus?
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Baronjutter posted:If I want gritty space stuff I'll watch The Expanse, if I want star trek I'll watch Orville. STD has no place in my heart. yup, pretty much this... it feels like they're trying for The Expanse but The Expanse just lands so much better because it's believable in that universe and not burdened by the historicity of Star Trek. Like... yeah, I'm cool with Expanse characters swearing and loving and acting like hooligans because they live in a very different universe than Star Trek and it's not gritty for the sake of being gritty, there's actually a reason for things being pretty hosed up that they go to great lengths to explain.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:17
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Baronjutter posted:If I want gritty space stuff I'll watch The Expanse, if I want star trek I'll watch Orville. STD has no place in my heart.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:23
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I agree I found the continued dark tone and pointless violence off-putting. I'm still intrigued to see where the story goes, but when all the stabbing and torture happened in the mirror universe, it seemed so similar to stuff we've already been shown in their regular universe so it was a little depressing. TOS would have done a completely unabashed takedown of Trump I'm sure of it. Bring back Sci Fi as counterculture.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:25
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shadow puppet of a posted:Tell your stupid piece of poo poo friend to go back and read all the producer's interviews where they state the arc of the show is directly related to current politics as it was being created. They specifically call-out Trump? Please share of you can see text anymore through all that red tint.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:27
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SpeakSlow posted:They specifically call-out Trump? Please share of you can see text anymore through all that red tint. Holy poo poo just accept that you got owned and go away
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Jan 9, 2018 02:28
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I like the show and have no idea what the heck has you all riled up about it!
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Jan 9, 2018 02:34
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feelix posted:Holy poo poo just accept that you got owned and go away He can defend his own argument. With a link or quote, preferrably. I'll back off then.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:37
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Foreskin Problems posted:I like the show and have no idea what the heck has you all riled up about it! I'll admit that Discovery is a decent sci fi show, but it's a terrible installment of the Star Trek canon.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:38
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The core concept of Star Trek is essentially supposed to be optimistic. A "dark and gritty" vision of the future where everyone in the federation is a corrupt rear end in a top hat is anathema to the founding principles of Trek, IMO.
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Foreskin Problems posted:I like the show and have no idea what the heck has you all riled up about it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpHbLewg79c SpeakSlow posted:He can defend his own argument. With a link or quote, preferrably. I'll back off then. Tell your friend to cram his demands up his rear end.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:39
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The Star Trek canon also includes rape gangs, what's your point? It's pretty bad all around, just enjoy the dumb TV show. e: I mean this in the most non-antagonistic manner possible. Also, I don't take stock in anyone reviewing anything. What's the video about?
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Jan 9, 2018 02:41
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Foreskin Problems posted:The Star Trek canon also includes rape gangs, what's your point? It's pretty bad all around, just enjoy the dumb TV show. That was in an abandoned colony that had fallen into barbarism outside the Federation. The Federation itself is supposed to embody humanity's spiritual potential to overcome the selfishness and shortsightedness that held us back.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:42
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I gave up on Discovery after the Pilot, it still really doesn't sound like it's for me but Rich Evans is right that they should have started with the "real" episode 3 pilot rather than the pilot that totally destroys her as a likable character, it's a horrible introduction. Start her off as a starfleet officer with hints of a checkered past she's trying to recover from and make right, make us like and root for her first and reveal how stupid and bad she was after that.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:45
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shadow puppet of a posted:Tell your friend to cram his demands up his rear end. Pyrrhic victory. I'll take it.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Tell your stupid piece of poo poo friend to go back and read all the producer's interviews where they state the arc of the show is directly related to current politics as it was being created. Don't you see you have to wait until the end of the season or whatever for them to complete their "arc" to get the point whatever it is I'm sure that'll be it since that's totally what happened last time on this show, for sure Doing a massive obvious "fascism is bad" story would not just be wholly appropriate to the franchise but also probably the best thing this show could do at this point to get me invested in these characters or anything they get up to evilmiera posted:So, from the responses so far the show is still not good and I should keep holding off? I don't know about everybody else but I'm falling over myself trying to look for bright spots in a boring show that takes itself way too seriously because nobody wants to be like those people that wrote off TNG during it's first crappy seasons
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It's not real Trek unless Majel Barrett is the voice of the computer, I'm sorry.
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