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Arglebargle III posted:We need an app to track how many threads owl of cream cheese has ruined I dunno I don't see that being profitable.
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Arglebargle III posted:We need an app to track how many threads owl of cream cheese has ruined We already do, just look at every thread he's posted in
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:That is true of anything though, if there is any technology that helps disabled people it ends up being the butt of jokes. Even wheelchair users face a ton of real cruelty over it. Even really basic stuff like glasses that are so common no one can get too into being too mean about them have a lingering cloud of mockery. Yeah it sucks, you can replace 'retard' with whatever word you want an it will go through the evolutionary cycle of people using it as a pejorative; people need to punch down because they are insecure. Just be patient an in 50 years we can crisper dna enough so that the only disability left will be enjoying anime. Grammar-Bolshevik fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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Jan 9, 2018 07:22
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Grammar-Bolshevik posted:Yeah it sucks, you can replace 'retard' with whatever word you want an it will go through the evolutionary cycle of people using it as a pejorative; people need to punch down because they are insecure. I dunno. How would you describe the President of the United States if you were no longer allowed to use the word retard? It would be a great loss for the English language.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I dunno. How would you describe the President of the United States if you were no longer allowed to use the word retard? It would be a great loss for the English language. dotard
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SaTaMaS posted:dotard Drumpt!
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I dunno. How would you describe the President of the United States if you were no longer allowed to use the word retard? It would be a great loss for the English language. The Most Very Stablest of Geniuses - Bigly
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For a good overview of real (non-hyped) capabilities of machine learning, I recommend the first, free chapter of Deep Learning with Python. It uses simple mathematical concepts, no programming knowledge required. François Chollet posted:Although deep learning has led to remarkable achievements in recent years, expectations for what the field will be able to achieve in the next decade tend to run much higher than what will likely be possible. Although some world-changing applications like autonomous cars are already within reach, many more are likely to remain elusive for a long time, such as believable dialogue systems, human-level machine translation across arbitrary languages, and human-level natural-language understanding. In particular, talk of human-level general intelligence shouldn’t be taken too seriously. The risk with high expectations for the short term is that, as technology fails to deliver, research investment will dry up, slowing progress for a long time. Doctor Malaver fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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https://www.geekwire.com/2018/check-no-checkout-amazon-go-automated-retail-store-will-finally-open-public-monday/quote:The first Amazon Go grocery and convenience store will open to the public Monday in Seattle — letting any person with an Amazon account, the Amazon Go app and a willingness to give up more of their personal privacy than usual simply grab anything they want and walk out, without going through a checkout line.
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Jan 21, 2018 19:02
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One thing that is troubling for the long-term, though, is the implication that you need an Amazon account in good standing to use this store. As a one-off store that's obviously not a big deal, but imagine this was found to be effective enough to where most convenience/grocery stores used it. Much like poor people being disproportionately being shut out of the banking system due to their Chex record, you'd inevitably end up with some poor people banned from these kinds of stores due to past misbehavior. There'd probably still be some stores without such a requirement, but it might be again, similar to banking, where the poor rely on overpriced check cashing joints or predatory payday loan places; the grocery stores available to them might simply be inferior. Now obviously existing grocery stores can ban bad customers already, but having an associated account required to even enter the store makes it much easier to do so effectively. Might be similar to doing background checks to see if potential employees are criminals: rational for each business to do, but still ends up with negative societal impact when everyone does it. Cicero fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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Jan 21, 2018 19:14
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Cicero posted:One thing that is troubling for the long-term, though, is the implication that you need an Amazon account in good standing to use this store. As a one-off store that's obviously not a big deal, but imagine this was found to be effective enough to where most convenience/grocery stores used it. Much like poor people being disproportionately being shut out of the banking system due to their Chex record, you'd inevitably end up with some poor people banned from these kinds of stores due to past misbehavior. There'd probably still be some stores without such a requirement, but it might be again, similar to banking, where the poor rely on overpriced check cashing joints or predatory payday loan places; the grocery stores available to them might simply be inferior. My mom got banned from leaving reviews on Amazon because they thought she was colluding with a seller to leave good reviews. This was done unilaterally and with no option to appeal the decision. As far as she can tell, the only thing she did was mention someone's name in one of her reviews. So, yea, I'm loving worried about poo poo like this too, even though "leaving reviews" and "being able to buy food" are worlds apart.
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Jan 21, 2018 20:46
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Cicero posted:One thing that is troubling for the long-term, though, is the implication that you need an Amazon account in good standing to use this store. As a one-off store that's obviously not a big deal, but imagine this was found to be effective enough to where most convenience/grocery stores used it. Much like poor people being disproportionately being shut out of the banking system due to their Chex record, you'd inevitably end up with some poor people banned from these kinds of stores due to past misbehavior. There'd probably still be some stores without such a requirement, but it might be again, similar to banking, where the poor rely on overpriced check cashing joints or predatory payday loan places; the grocery stores available to them might simply be inferior. Costco and Sam's Club have had this model since their inception, you could argue it does keep out the poor but it would only really be a problem if they were a monopoly in that market. I'm not sure I really care about this model though, it seems like a step backwards honestly. Less hassle at the checkout line I guess, I think the model of having a centralized store you have to go to is probably going to be outdated soon, especially with autonomous cars on the horizon.
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We're still pretty far from enough of the population getting their food delivered to be able to do without actual stores (remember the vast majority will be way too loving poor to get a self driving car let alone drones delivering their beans or whatever) and it's a good intermediate step. The other thing to realise is this has little to do with your convenience or your shopping experience and much more to do with having a shop that you don't have to pay employees at.
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Slavvy posted:The other thing to realise is this has little to do with your convenience or your shopping experience and much more to do with having a shop that you don't have to pay employees at. But just this by itself doesn't mean they have no employees, they still need people to restock/clean and do customer service stuff.
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Slavvy posted:The other thing to realise is this has little to do with your convenience or your shopping experience and much more to do with having a shop that you don't have to pay employees at. Also a store that also serves as a wonderful lab where they get to accurately measure what catches attention of what people, what details they look for on things, what sells them and what fails to, etc. If their cameras manage to track eye movement and read facial cues they'll quickly get to that uncanny point of "we know what you want better than you do", on both personal and macro scale.
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I'm seeing a lot of potential for folks getting accidentally upcharged because the system can't distinguish between the 99 cent can of beans and the one that is 1.79. It's probably not even something you'd notice unless you were charged for the $30 bottle of olive oil when you grabbed the $6 store brand.
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ArsTechnica has a review of the experience, it seems pretty resilient to these sorts of shenanigans, and in the worst case, you could probably just have it refunded without an issue: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/we-test-the-worlds-first-amazon-go-watch-you-shop-grocery-store/
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Cicero posted:It seems pretty obviously to be about both. I mean having no lines also means you'll get more business, if I know a transaction will go faster that definitely makes me more likely to run in and buy something. You gotta be out of your mind if you think [no lines] and [more business] are related in any way, ever.
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I always figured the first stores to change the paradigm would be something like a café or bistro where you fill your grocery bag on a tablet while robots do the actual picking in a warehouse while you drink coffee. If you are just getting a few things I suppose this is faster though.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:You gotta be out of your mind if you think [no lines] and [more business] are related in any way, ever. If there was an Amazon version of Shaw's next to the actual Shaw's, where I consistently wait behind elderly people writing checks for 15 items in the express lane, I would go to the one with no lines.
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Mozi posted:If there was an Amazon version of Shaw's next to the actual Shaw's, where I consistently wait behind elderly people writing checks for 15 items in the express lane, I would go to the one with no lines. I think you missed the point.
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Bates posted:I always figured the first stores to change the paradigm would be something like a café or bistro where you fill your grocery bag on a tablet while robots do the actual picking in a warehouse while you drink coffee. If you are just getting a few things I suppose this is faster though. I mean, it depends largely on how well a system like this scales up and what the goal is. If your only objective is to not pick your own groceries then you can already do that and it's not even an uncommon thing. I think just about every major chain grocery store near me offers delivery with a relatively low (generally $5 + tip for the delivery guy) fee. Your order isn't being picked by a robot, but you still order your groceries online and not have to do anything. Something like Amazon Go is strictly an improvement over the regular shopping experience, though, at least if your goal is just to get in and out more quickly. It's just normal grocery shopping without the checkout.
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I wonder how much this is going to actually cut down on manpower: it seems like they still need several people to run what is essentially a small convenience store. They probably at least need one "guard" at the entry, and an ID checker for alcohol, and probably an additional auxiliary employee.
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If they can do this in a store they can eventually do it in a container yard or a warehouse.
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BrandorKP posted:If they can do this in a store they can eventually do it in a container yard or a warehouse. Yeah sure, but I was talking about this particular implementation.
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Why is this thread rated so poorly? It's not that bad.  BeanpolePeckerwood posted:I think you missed the point. So did I, care to elaborate?
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Ardennes posted:an ID checker for alcohol
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Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that was one they're working on. As far as computer vision tasks go it doesn't sound terribly difficult, although the sheer variety of valid IDs out there might complicate it a bit.
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It wouldn't surprise me if that was something where the solution comes from both ends. IDs are implementing more biometric and computer readable features every iteration, and computer vision and OCR is getting better and better, so it could employ a whole array of verification techniques rather than just checking the photo against the person. And if it's not sure that it's valid within a given probability then it can just flash the light for human assistance, but it only has to be slightly better at verifying an ID than a human to do away with that step.
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Guavanaut posted:And if it's not sure that it's valid within a given probability then it can just flash the light for human assistance, but it only has to be slightly better at verifying an ID than a human to do away with that step.
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I'm imagining it a bit like the self service/cashier service split in most stores at present. If I want to pay by credit card or smartphone or whatever, it's quicker to go self service, if I wanted to pay by check or crumpled cash or anything unusual then a normal checkout might be faster. Same could apply for alcohol and whatever, if I've got a biometric RFID passport that's good enough for border control, it should be good enough for buying a beer just by waving it at the machine, no need to send a person over, if I've just got a non-smart driver's license or am relying on them to judge me old enough, a normal checkout might be better until incremental improvements are made. Like you say though, in edge cases it could be as simple as sending an image of the ID and a webcam snapshot to a remote kiosk.
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My impression is that Amazon isn't really interested in entering the retail business. Instead they want to sell the hardware and service contracts to established retailers like Costco. Costco already requires a membership, tracks your purchases and uses CCTV cameras inside the shop, so there can be no serious privacy concerns from costumers. The system can be installed in virtually any of their buildings over night, with no expensive machines or serious construction necessary. It can be run as a parallel/backup system together with traditional systems until it works reliable enough to switch over to it and costumers wouldn't be affected by it in any way until the switch. Also, the whole system is probably heavily cloud reliant with all the interesting stuff happening with proprietary ML Amazon technology. Amazon could sell subscriptions and constantly push upgrades to the system as they get more experience and better algorithms. The hardware itself is basically just a bunch of cameras that will never need any upgrades. I think if Amazon can make it work, there could be a huge market for it.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:My impression is that Amazon isn't really interested in entering the retail business. They opened up some of their own retail bookstores already. They also opened up pick-up grocery stores. Now they have a convenience store. They even bought an existing major retail chain! And you think these are the business maneuvers of a company that isn't really interested in entering the retail business? edit: Not that I disagree that they may license their stuff out to other companies. Amazon has a history of both vertical integration and being a platform for others. Cicero fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Amazon is already in the retail business though. The question is if they want to eventually roll this out or if it's a test or tech demo. I'm not really sure that this will scale well, no matter how much ML tech improves. Like you'd still need a camera for every single shelf and corresponding processing power to make that work, not to mention very strict arrangement of goods. Vs just giving people hand-held scanners and making no other changes. E: Doctor Malaver posted:Why is this thread rated so poorly? It's not that bad. mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Amazon plans for total world domination and nothing less.
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Tei posted:Amazon plans for total world domination and nothing less. The capitalist version of total world domination: Amazon’s goal is to take a cut of all economic activity.
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Rastor posted:The capitalist version of total world domination: Amazon’s goal is to take a cut of all economic activity. They want to sell nearly the whole of the supply chain to other business. Eventually this means they're coming for my industry. We will be woefully unprepared.
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This seems to have been overshadowed by using AI to remove mustaches and to make porn. https://newatlas.com/darpa-actuv-us-navy/53247/ quote:Following a series of successful sea trials, DARPA has handed its experimental autonomous warship over to the US Navy. The Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) Continuous Trail Unmanned Vessel (ACTUV) "Sea Hunter" technology demonstrator was formally transferred to the Office of Naval Research (ONR) for further development of what could potentially be the first of a new class of ocean-going ships called Medium Displacement Unmanned Surface Vehicles (MDUSVs).
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I guess this thread is dead, but Boston Dynamics isn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUyU3lKzoio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj34o4hN4I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c
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RandomPauI posted:I guess this thread is dead, but Boston Dynamics isn't. 
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