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Elfgames posted:nah usually the badguys are so eager to do their polluting that they skip things like permits and poo poo like i remember one episode where the planeteers actually get locked up in prison cause the badguys actually bothered to do poo poo legally 
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Nuclear War posted:Wait what's wrong with intouchables I remember liking it Nothing, it's great.
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Count Uvula posted:Harlan Ellison's a serious motherfucker who fought with everyone in the rather small circle of sci-fi authors back in his heyday. While all his peers find him to be an unlikable prick he does have the positive traits of being consistently anti-imperialist and making fun of the worst troglodytes in the early sci-fi fandom. He also sexually assaulted Connie Willis at a con. He's a giant suppurating rear end in a top hat of a human being. That said, at the period in time at which the ad aired the non-sci-fi-fandom general public wouldn't have known him as anything other than "noted futurist," if that.
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but wouldn't saying he can't wear that also be racist? 
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TBF H&M is a Swedish company, and that's their British site. Calling children "little monkeys" is a pretty common turn of phrase in the UK, though it probably would have been smarter not to pick a black kid as the model. But the thing is that some of this stuff comes from the fact that people literally aren't exposed to some of the racist stereotypes other people take for granted. The whole black people + fried chicken / watermelon thing isn't really well known over here, for example. I was really confused a few years ago when someone pointed up an ad showing a black dude eating some watermelon and called it out for being racist, because that association was just something I'd never come across before.
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Jan 9, 2018 11:08
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Globalization is a bitch isn't it
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Death to America.
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Part of the reason I'm a little weirded out how "person of colour" and "coloured" have apparently become positive phrases nowadays. When I was growing up they were pretty vile indications the person was racist, being used alongside Paki, etc
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Jan 9, 2018 11:33
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No Pressure, a short-film directed by Richard Curtis meant to promote global-warming mitigation.  as it depicts men, women, children, and Gillian Anderson violently exploding.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOmLcSeU2UY Inspector Gesicht has a new favorite as of 12:39 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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Jan 9, 2018 12:29
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Mu Zeta posted:Globalization is a bitch isn't it You joke, but in this regard it kind of is. Things which wouldn't previously have hurt some people become hurtful to them because those people are now aware that they have those connotations. When we make giant public outcries about this sort of thing, we're hurting people who might otherwise have never have been vulnerable to the offense in question by virtue of their ignorance. I'm not trying to say we shouldn't call out racism or insensitivity; that would be dumb. But it's a double-edged sword, because by doing so we ensure that nothing can ever stop being offensive. Racist slurs/stereotypes that could have just slipped quietly into the realm of nonsense are kept alive and hurtful by our continued insistence on making sure everyone knows that they're hurtful.
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Jan 9, 2018 13:10
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So calling Black people monkeys is an American thing? Because I’m pretty sure I’ve seen some old Belgium stuff that portrayed Africans as monkeys. Then again, that is Belgium.
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Krispy Wafer posted:So calling Black people monkeys is an American thing? Because I’m pretty sure I’ve seen some old Belgium stuff that portrayed Africans as monkeys. Then again, that is Belgium. Comparing black people to monkeys is sadly pretty common around the world.
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The_White_Crane posted:You joke, but in this regard it kind of is. Twitter is a real boon for lazy journalists. In the past, they had to walk the streets, looking for voxpops from loonies to give angry quotes about things they don't understand. Now they just have to trawl twitter and someone, somewhere around will be suitably outraged enough to give a good quote that they can fill their web article with and then generate outrage from British readers Krispy Wafer posted:So calling Black people monkeys is an American thing? Because I’m pretty sure I’ve seen some old Belgium stuff that portrayed Africans as monkeys. Then again, that is Belgium. It's not a common British racist insult for black people (don't worry, we have plenty more to choose from). Related: remember the furore with Top Gear using 'slope' and it being horribly racist? Well, the reason that the entire film crew and producers didn't prevent it from being broadcast is because 'slope=Asian' isn't a thing here. It's an American insult and not one that's come across.
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spog posted:Related: remember the furore with Top Gear using 'slope' and it being horribly racist? Well, the reason that the entire film crew and producers didn't prevent it from being broadcast is because 'slope=Asian' isn't a thing here. It's an American insult and not one that's come across. Also, for that matter, "Asian" has a different implied meaning over here; it tends to mean people from the region of Pakistan/India, rather than China/Japan.
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See also: "spastic"
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The gently caress is slope-asian?
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Furia posted:The gently caress is slope-asian? quote:The Top Gear presenters go across Burma and Thailand in lorries with the goal of building a bridge over the river Kwai. After building a bridge over the Kok River, Clarkson is quoted as saying "That is a proud moment, but there's a slope on it." as a native crosses the bridge, 'slope' being a pejorative for Asians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-OQR5zu_J4
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spog posted:Related: remember the furore with Top Gear using 'slope' and it being horribly racist? Well, the reason that the entire film crew and producers didn't prevent it from being broadcast is because 'slope=Asian' isn't a thing here. It's an American insult and not one that's come across. Wait, what? I am an American and I have never once heard the word "slope" used as a pejorative for people of Asian descent.
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Zamboni_Rodeo posted:Wait, what? If only there were some way for you to look this up, perhaps on a network of interconnected computers. The next time you think "nah, that's not a racial slur" feel free to do that instead of interjecting your "can't be racist; I haven't heard it" idiocy.
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Phone-posting, so I'm going off memory, but the U.S. band The Slopes faced some copyright challenges since their name was a racist slur. I believe the First Amendment won out. Their lead singer is of Asian descent, and I think chose the name in part to normalize the term à la "queer" or "gay”. eta: Christopher Walken's character uses the term in Pulp Fiction.
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Zamboni_Rodeo posted:Wait, what?
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Grassy Knowles posted:If only there were some way for you to look this up, perhaps on a network of interconnected computers. Grey Fox posted:It's fallen out of use (which is why Old Man Clarkson would bust it out), but yeah, it totally is. Thank you.
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Hirayuki posted:Phone-posting, so I'm going off memory, but the U.S. band The Slopes faced some copyright challenges since their name was a racist slur. I believe the First Amendment won out. They’re called the Slants and the Washington Redskins are using their case to justify their name being okay.
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poo poo, sorry about that. At least the names were similar! 
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Henchman of Santa posted:They’re called the Slants and the Washington Redskins are using their case to justify their name being okay. They're using the case to argue that being denied a trademark because their name is offensive isn't okay. And they're entirely right. The Supreme Court got it obviously correct and it was a 8-0 decision: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-1293_1o13.pdf quote:With few narrow exceptions, a fundamental principle of the First Amendment is that the government may not punish or suppress speech based on disapproval of the ideas or perspectives the speech conveys. See Rosenberger v. Rector and Visitors of Univ. of Va., 515 U. S. 819, 828–829. The test for viewpoint discrimination is whether—within the relevant subject category—the government has singled out a subset of messages for disfavor based on the views expressed. Here, the disparagement clause identifies the relevant subject as “persons, living or dead, institutions, beliefs, or national symbols,” §1052(a); and within that category, an applicant may register a positive or benign mark but not a derogatory one. The law thus reflects the Government’s disapproval of a subset of messages it finds offensive, the essence of viewpoint discrimination. The Government’s arguments in defense of the statute are unpersuasive. Pp. 2–5. Phanatic has a new favorite as of 15:12 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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Someday I hope we live in a world where there are no regional specific racist slurs and we all agree on an universal set of racist insults.
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The Slants is funny because some morons said the name wouldn't be racist if the band wasn't asian. Also (y1-y0)/(x1-x0) is indeed offensive.(to people bad at math)
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The_White_Crane posted:Racist slurs/stereotypes that could have just slipped quietly into the realm of nonsense are kept alive and hurtful by our continued insistence on making sure everyone knows that they're hurtful. or... or... orrrrrrrrr... we could stop using those slurs and stereotypes that would be a p good way of ensuring they’re not kept alive and hurtful
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poptart_fairy posted:Part of the reason I'm a little weirded out how "person of colour" and "coloured" have apparently become positive phrases nowadays. When I was growing up they were pretty vile indications the person was racist, being used alongside Paki, etc I think the phrase "person of color" is weird as poo poo too and I'm absolutely confused as to why I see it so much nowadays.
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Nowadays? Bloom County, 1988: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/03/30/295931070/the-journey-from-colored-to-minorities-to-people-of-color
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Grassy Knowles posted:If only there were some way for you to look this up, perhaps on a network of interconnected computers. lol that person was an American who had never heard the term and was asking about it. I'd never heard of it either until this thread. You're an rear end in a top hat.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:or... or... orrrrrrrrr... we could stop using those slurs and stereotypes I like this idea. Why hasn’t someone told everyone to stop saying those things?
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:or... or... orrrrrrrrr... we could stop using those slurs and stereotypes Hey, do you know what helps stop people using them? If they don't learn new slurs and stereotypes that they didn't previously know about by giant mass media frenzies that bring them to their attention! I didn't say "people shouldn't stop using them, we should stop complaining when they do", I merely pointed out that pouring huge amounts of attention on them has the negative effect of spreading knowledge of them as well as the positive one of encouraging people not to use them. But hey, great point you made there! 
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Rough Lobster posted:I think the phrase "person of color" is weird as poo poo too and I'm absolutely confused as to why I see it so much nowadays. Non-white and minority are the two alternative terms which aren't loaded with enormous amounts of baggage from Jim Crow etc. A lot of activist groups didn't like those terms because they defined POC in terms of what they aren't instead of what they are and encouraged the idea of white being "normal" and not white as "different". This raised the problem of the fact that Asians, Native Americans, Desis, Hispanics, Blacks etc have almost nothing in common in terms of history and culture what with the whole being from completely different parts of the world thing and really only have two things in common: they experience systematic racism in Western countries and they tend to have more melanin that white people. Hence Person of Color, a term that is both terrible and much better than every other option.
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The_White_Crane posted:Hey, do you know what helps stop people using them? Your point literally distils to "don’t tell people when someone is using offensive language." I would ask if I have to explain what that’s blazingly dumb, but apparently I actually do. But I’ll keep it short. Dog whistles and coded language. Also it’s better to know when someone is being a shithead rather than being oblivious just because they’re from a different culture.
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Rough Lobster posted:I think the phrase "person of color" is weird as poo poo too and I'm absolutely confused as to why I see it so much nowadays. Guarantee that 'person of color' is the phrase that's going to make our generation's grandchildren cringe at us in 50 years time.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Your point literally distils to "don’t tell people when someone is using offensive language." I would ask if I have to explain what that’s blazingly dumb, but apparently I actually do. But I’ll keep it short. Don't tell people when someone is accidentally using language that's considered offensive elsewhere. Calling out offensive language is mostly good, but sometimes acts to teach the term to more people. How do we fix this? I have no idea. But it's a downside to easy global communication. Neither one is saying that you should just let people get away with offensive language.
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