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Gonz posted:The guy in charge of the Dreadnaught, Captain Canady, was a miserable, salty old prick in the vein of Brendan Gleeson. (Brendan Gleeson, of course, being Hux’s real life dad) Yeah, that guy was great. "We need to deploy fighters!...10 minutes ago."
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Dirk the Average posted:A cruiser crippled and basically destroyed a ship that dwarfs star destroyers. The difference in cost between the two is staggering. With that kind of effectiveness, you work to actively make those special circumstances happen, and you make giant missiles that are nothing but rocks with shields, engines, power, hyperdrive, and a Droid crew. Expensive, but so much cheaper than a star destroyer. Droids are sentient. They have fears. They feel pain. Why are you so willing to through their lives away?
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albany academy posted:I think the ESB instance is forgivable because they were little balls of light and therefore had no contextual relevance and were basically magic. Bomb bays in this movie have nothing to conceal the mechanics of it, so it's open for nitpicking. I forget where I read it but one of the effects people gave an explanation for the The Last Jedi bombers (and I guess the TIE bombers in ESB too) that I guess isn't perfect but I thought was fine for sci-fi movie logic if folks really need an explanation. It was that the bombs aren't actually "falling" but rather have guidance systems in them that make them fly towards x designated target in unison in y pattern at z frequency to carpet bomb a massive surface area. In the Last Jedi the idea was that they take out the surface guns and that would allow their bombers to do the same to the top side of that massive ship, but out of desperation and the rest of them getting destroyed against the amount of firepower the first order is throwing around we see her basically Hail Mary blast the entire payload out at close range compared to how the bombers would normally be used.
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The bombers made complete visual sense and that's what's important.
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euphronius posted:The bombers made complete visual sense and that's what's important.  In ESB also, they're clearly bombers dropping bombs that visually look like they're falling. The important part of that scene isn't that they're bombers, it's that we have another instance of Vader's total obsession with capturing everyone on the Falcon so he can get to Luke. And the bombers are part of showing that in a few seconds in a great way because we see that Vader's just cold crashing an entire fleet against an asteroid field for hours both with the bombers and with some of his bigger ships being lost. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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porfiria posted:I would say anyone posting here has too much time on their hands, so post away with the mass to energy formulae, I say. It beats rehashing whether or not Qui Gon is a dick for the seven millionth time. If every superhero/space opera/whatever movie justified its magic to the satisfaction of folks like Dirk, they'd all be longer than the workprint of Heaven's Gate.
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euphronius posted:The bombers made complete visual sense and that's what's important. I mean yeah sure but you'd have to come up with the really wacky explanation as per above your post, or they could have just done the bombers the way they've done them in every other instance of using space bombers thus far and still make a new toy kit for it.
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Wacky explanation ? Bomb bays doors open-> bombs fall out.
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Jan 9, 2018 20:31
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In space.
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm not talking about time spent in discussion, I'm talking about the runtime of a film and time spent playing a game based on it. You're projecting a bit much onto me here. I've played Star Wars tabletop games before. I buy into the fiction and I enjoy the universe. This specific thing struck me as disproportionate and against the "rules" as I had understood them. It was just a bit too far for me too suspend my disbelief.
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albany academy posted:In space. No, in the ship, where there's gravity.
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albany academy posted:In space. also the force is not real sorry OP
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albany academy posted:In space. Were you in the theater expecting the bombs to do what. Hover in place.
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The movie even leads you to the point by showing you how gravity works in dramatic detail before the bombs are dropped.
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The visual guide says they’re magnetic and are drawn down to the hull of whatever they’re aimed at.
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thrawn527 posted:Droids are sentient. They have fears. They feel pain. Why are you so willing to through their lives away? to be fair, neither the empire nor the rebellion would give one poo poo about the life of a droid albany academy posted:In space. star wars is a fantasy movie
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Gonz posted:The visual guide says they’re magnetic and are drawn down to the hull of whatever they’re aimed at. Sure, visual guides are where you overexplain poo poo. But for the purposes of the movie, that is 100% not needed.
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euphronius posted:Were you in the theater expecting the bombs to do what. Hover in place. Tbh just kind of drift aimlessly or do something that looked more than just falling in space. My point is that if they were magic blue balls of light like in ESB, any explanation would suffice, whatever, they're clearly operating on fuzzy mechanics I can buy into well enough and don't feel the need to question. By being visually explicit in the mechanics of the bombers and bombs, and rooting said mechanics in arguably more primitive design, it's easier to question it in context of what's been established in universe and get taken out of the story that's unfolding.
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Right before the bombs fell there was a whole dramatic scene where the woman falls and also the bomb release mechanism falls which all tells you the viewer that things will fall.
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albany academy posted:Tbh just kind of drift aimlessly or do something that looked more than just falling in space. so you thought that the bombs were going to be released from the bombers, the last one left, and then just... float away, achieving nothing? you thought they set up this entire attack run that destroyed a huge portion of their remaining forces to do something that wouldn't have worked and would never have worked within the "logic" of the movie?
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albany academy posted:Tbh just kind of drift aimlessly or do something that looked more than just falling in space. Jesus Christ, there was gravity on the ship, why would they just float there? And after it enters space, they would just keep moving. Because that's what happens to things in space, they keep going the same direction and speed they were already going unless some external force acts upon them.
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albany academy posted:arguably more primitive design 
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Serf posted:so you thought that the bombs were going to be released from the bombers, the last one left, and then just... float away, achieving nothing? you thought they set up this entire attack run that destroyed a huge portion of their remaining forces to do something that wouldn't have worked and would never have worked within the "logic" of the movie? Lol Jesus Christ. I thought the bombers were dumb and didn't make sense, obviously in the movie they did whatever they were supposed to but I would have preferred the other established approach to bombers in the other movies, like y wings and whatever, because those make more sense the ones in tlj. It's not a huge, significant thing, its just minor nitpicking and I'm amazed that it's even lasted this long as a topic.
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CelticPredator posted:So many broken people in this thread 
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albany academy posted:It's not that I think the movie is bad because of these things, they're minor, but they still bug me and it would have been a pretty simple thing to just not do. This is from a page back and I swear I'm not trying to start someshit with you but it's also a pretty simple thing to just not care about. Because when it comes to fantasy sci fi it's just a loving dumb and deep cavernous hole to jump into (but people do it anyway).
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albany academy posted:Lol Jesus Christ. what about the bombers don't make sense? they are bombers. they drop bombs in this movie that is rooted in world war 2 tropes. the only way they could be be closer to actual b-17 flying fortress is if they loving used an actual b-17 flying fortress
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Serf posted:what about the bombers don't make sense? they are bombers. they drop bombs in this movie that is rooted in world war 2 tropes. the only way they could be be closer to actual b-17 flying fortress is if they loving used an actual b-17 flying fortress Wasn't there headgear of the crew even straight from ww2.
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They even had ball turret gunners underneath them.
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The thing is it's not really a big deal for me on the whole, I just wasn't really expecting to have to defend why I disliked a small thing in the movies so much. This forum really likes to go for the throat. You don't have to agree with me, but acting like it's literally insane to get a little irked by some design decision is a bit much.
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euphronius posted:Wasn't there headgear of the crew even straight from ww2. i thought that the woman we see the whole time was wearing the headgear that instantly makes you think of a world war 2 bomber crewmember
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It woulda been cool and anime If they shot out a billion missiles from those racks straight down
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If you think about it, the entire loving trench run from ANH doesn't even make any sense and was only done as a cool finale and was a near exact copy of the bombing run and a sci fi homage to the movie Dambusters. The rebels could have just flown in at a trajectory that reduced 99% of that poo poo they had to deal with. But again, who cares? Cut the chatter because it's loving cool, Red 2.
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Wild Horses posted:It woulda been cool and anime If they shot out a billion missiles from those racks straight down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
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albany academy posted:The thing is it's not really a big deal for me on the whole, I just wasn't really expecting to have to defend why I disliked a small thing in the movies so much. This forum really likes to go for the throat. You don't have to agree with me, but acting like it's literally insane to get a little irked by some design decision is a bit much. there isn't any more to discuss when someone nitpicks science fiction technology on the level that you're doing because you're engaging with the film on some sort of alternate reality terms--from a reality where there's a theoretical technical manual that rian johnson just forgot to read or something
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Yeah if you accept that every ship has artificial gravity inside there isn't anything strange about the bomber scene. Plus, it's a good scene that wouldn't work if they just copied the old bombs.
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Neo Rasa posted:I forget where I read it but one of the effects people gave an explanation for the The Last Jedi bombers (and I guess the TIE bombers in ESB too) that I guess isn't perfect but I thought was fine for sci-fi movie logic if folks really need an explanation. You just described missiles taking out AA guns. This isn't "sci-fi movie logic."
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Yeah, and are we expected to believe that all the aliens on the ship use the same bathrooms to poo poo in?? You'd have to have several bathrooms to accommodate Mon Calamri Shits and C3PO shits and... Ewok shits and whatever. Yet we NEVER get a satisfactory explanation for who shits where. In fact, Johnson is so lazy, he avoids showing making GBS threads altogether!
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mary had a little clam posted:Yeah, and are we expected to believe that all the aliens on the ship use the same bathrooms to poo poo in?? You'd have to have several bathrooms to accommodate Mon Calamri Shits and C3PO shits and... Ewok shits and whatever. Yet we NEVER get a satisfactory explanation for who shits where. In fact, Johnson is so lazy, he avoids showing making GBS threads altogether! Instead of showing us where everyone shits, Rian Johnson literally shits all over us, the Star War fans of old!   AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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