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docbeard posted:Except this time the dumb assholes have money and media access and largely are the media themselves. Personally, I think what's happening is that the media finally worked out that Donald Trump is at least partly their fault and this is their idea of 'using their powers for good'. i mean im fully prepared to admit im thinking pre-escalator here but from where im sitting its another example of one of those stupid news-cycles where Politico or the Hill squeeze out a clickbait turd, which sets hair-trigger twitter people off into screaming matches, which are then reported on in more clickbait, und so weiter until we all drown in great boiling torrents of piss
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yaassss queen PREACH https://twitter.com/LizWFB/status/950762955599241216
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Oh Snapple! posted:that took me to a p. good twitter thread actually And completely unsurprisingly the comments are full of broke-brained white liberals who accuse this lady of lying and secret racism.
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docbeard posted:Except this time the dumb assholes have money and media access and largely are the media themselves. Personally, I think what's happening is that the media finally worked out that Donald Trump is at least partly their fault and this is their idea of 'using their powers for good'. maybe she doesn't run I mean she's riding on #metoo, but in the world of TRUMP a lot of things change by mid 2019, lenin's saying about decades happen in weeks and all that
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MaxxBot posted:succcccccccccccccccccccccccc God drat I wish she'd just break her neck trying to Scrooge McDuck her way through her vault of gold.
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also another celebrity presidency instead of a genuine Warren-Sanders progressive president makes me want to retch a little, but then I remember that the presidency doesn't do all that much and if Oprah (D) is in office she'll prob signs w/e congress puts in front of her
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comedyblissoption posted:you are right that institutions, even democratic ones like worker co-ops, that focus on maximizing personal profit above all else is problematic I don't have a problem with allocating social labor or its products according to how much labor they do. In fact, I don't see that going away for a very long time. My critique is when that allocation is allowed to circulate, it directly rewards (& therefore incentivizes) market share domination, and therefore privatization of the MOP & surplus value extraction. Like if you can double your wage from your co-op by having your co-op doubling its market share, it's in your best interest to extract value from yourself to put into improving the productivity of specifically your own co-op and hiring security to make sure the advancements don't leave. Other options involve finding loopholes to take the advancements from other co-ops or sabotaging them. Also, you can just invest in marketing to increase demand of specifically your own commodities. And the worst part is, even if every single co-op agrees not to do this, except for one, that one will eventually run the others out of business and/or making them have to compromise in other ways (and be shittier for it). And then 100% of the co-ops will be lovely/shittier than before. Then repeat every time a co-op decides to increase their slice of the pie. That's why it's not a structural change. Ruzihm has issued a correction as of 21:19 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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paranoid randroid posted:i mean im fully prepared to admit im thinking pre-escalator here but from where im sitting its another example of one of those stupid news-cycles where Politico or the Hill squeeze out a clickbait turd, which sets hair-trigger twitter people off into screaming matches, which are then reported on in more clickbait, und so weiter until we all drown in great boiling torrents of piss nah that's basically it
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Typo posted:also another celebrity presidency instead of a genuine Warren-Sanders progressive president makes me want to retch a little, but then I remember that the presidency doesn't do all that much and if Oprah (D) is in office she'll prob signs w/e congress puts in front of her well well, where have i heard this one before
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gradenko_2000 posted:Is it possible to legislate workplace democracy into existence? gradenko_2000 posted:Like, I get it - you should be electing your boss, you should be able to recall your boss, and decisions about running a business should be done with the democratic consent of the workers, and all that, but short of the revolutionary model where the means of production are seized and redistributed to the workers, how do you get from here to there? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87395oUPDR0 gradenko_2000 posted:How do you say, in legislative terms, that businesses are obliged to be run democratically, or that every business needs to be a worker co-op? Is that even possible? Is that Constitutional (lol as if it matters)? Is that even a practical goal to pursue at some point?
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fits my needs posted:why are so many suckzoners concentrated in the Northeast?
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Cerebral Bore posted:well well, where have i heard this one before TRUMP (R) is absolutely signing w/e Ryan and McConnell put in front of him Executive Orders are another matter but I doubt Oprah is gonna executive order open borders or something because she doesn't care enough
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paranoid randroid posted:i humbly volunteer to be Oprah's Steve Miller and in preparation for this role i am engaging in a strenuous regimen of drinking lead paint and bulging my forehead out at myself in the mirror does Oprah also have shady money laundering schemes connected to foreign governments happening in the background for the last 25 years or so?
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ThndrShk2k posted:The US beyond new england is a land of madness and insanity. hahaha I would rather  in 
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ThndrShk2k posted:The US beyond new england is a land of madness and insanity. Maine shifted from D+15 in 2012 to D+2 in 2016
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Ruzihm posted:I don't have a problem with allocating social labor or its products according to how much labor they do. In fact, I don't see that going away for a very long time. getting to more democratic ownership of the economic institutions is still much better than our present undemocratic situation
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Typo posted:Maine shifted from D+15 in 2012 to D+2 in 2016 a true leftist paradise* *must be white to participate
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Typo posted:does Oprah also have shady money laundering schemes connected to foreign governments happening in the background for the last 25 years or so? given how rich she is its probably inevitable, but unfortunately not as glorious as Trump having a guy named Joey No-Socks on call to make up fake awards for his properties
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Typo posted:Maine shifted from D+15 in 2012 to D+2 in 2016 Maine also has the other independent senator Maine also doesn't allow people smoking in cars with kids and bunch of other weird rules you'd expect to see in someplace like California. Maine also splits it's EV and 3 of them are for portland/augusta area that went Dem. Like it or not, it's a hell of a lot more progressive than even so-called blue states.
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Typo posted:maybe she doesn't run I think this is most likely. Running for President is a shitload of hard work, grueling scheduling and endless meetings. I think Oprah probably wouldn't want to bother with all that, considering she already wields so much power without even being a politician.
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paranoid randroid posted:i mean im fully prepared to admit im thinking pre-escalator here but from where im sitting its another example of one of those stupid news-cycles where Politico or the Hill squeeze out a clickbait turd, which sets hair-trigger twitter people off into screaming matches, which are then reported on in more clickbait, und so weiter until we all drown in great boiling torrents of piss I don't really believe in "pre-escalator" as a thing; Trump's not even the first U.S. politician to go from celebrity life to politics and certainly not the first to go from independent wealth to politics, and he absolutely won't be the last (unless he's the last president at all). He's not even the first with an anti-mattering field; consider how Slick Willie got that nickname. Personal charisma and showmanship are the primary determiners of who gets into public office and always have been. But Typo's right too; 2020 may as well be a trillion years from now, as far as our ability to predict what it will look like goes.
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ThndrShk2k posted:Because democrats are by default progressive? I don't know enough about maine domestic politics, how does it compare to say New York or Washington?
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Typo posted:I don't know enough about maine domestic politics, how does it compare to say New York or Washington? well New York is garbage so I’m sure it’s better then that.
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Typo posted:I don't know enough about maine domestic politics, how does it compare to say New York or Washington? Mostly because hippies and old people live up here so family and health stuff like that are of importance lol. Also most of the Dem candidates that run in Maine are a huge loving waste and seem like overly liberal cityslick grifters. Just inject like 100 bernie clones and they'll get elected in landslides all across the state I poo poo you not.
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ThndrShk2k posted:Because democrats are by default progressive? grocery store express lanes in maine say 10 items or fewer ergo it's the best
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Because I know everyone cares: the D&D take appears to be that the idea that anyone wants Oprah to run for President is a Republican lie which is actually a relief to hear 
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loquacius posted:Because I know everyone cares: the D&D take appears to be that the idea that anyone wants Oprah to run for President is a Republican lie ~common ground~
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fits my needs posted:if Maine is so drat liberal explain LePage  I'm pretty sure the 2016 election basically gave the most concise explanation anyway
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fits my needs posted:if Maine is so drat liberal explain LePage He got into office chiefly because of a schism that split the left/center-left/center vote, allowing him to skate with only 38% of the vote in 2010, and again with 48% in 2014. State baddems of course claim this proves that the left is toxic and should sit down and shut up.
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loquacius posted:Because I know everyone cares: the D&D take appears to be that the idea that anyone wants Oprah to run for President is a Republican lie A clock so broken as to be pulverized into dust can be blown into a shape resembling the proper hour, I guess.
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ThndrShk2k posted:Because democrats are by default progressive? ahahahahahaha
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