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So because I love spreadsheets and wanted to figure out just how effective Primaris units are, I did some math...pre:Calculated Average Points Per Wound For Primaris Units Unit Loadout PPW Horde PPW Marines PPW Vehicles Intercessor Bolt Rifle 47.3 108.0 324.0 Intercessor Bolt Rifle (RF) 23.6 54.0 162.0 Intercessor Auto Bolt Rifle 36.2 103.5 388.1 Intercessor Stalker Bolt Rifle 73.5 126.0 346.5 Hellblaster Plasma Incinerator 66.8 74.3 138.6 Hellblaster Plasma Incinerator (Hot) 59.4 59.4 48.3 Hellblaster Plasma Incinerator (Hot, RF) 29.7 29.7 24.1 Hellblaster A. Plasma Incinerator 35.4 39.4 86.6 Hellblaster A. Plasma Incinerator (Hot) 35.4 39.4 36.8 Hellblaster H. Plasma Incinerator 63.0 63.0 102.4 Hellblaster H. Plasma Incinerator (Hot) 63.0 63.0 43.3 Redemptor H. Onslaught, Onslaught, Fragstorm 18.7 40.3 102.6 Redemptor M. Plasma, Onslaught, Fragstorm 26.4 45.8 94.2 Redemptor M. Plasma (Hot), Onslaught, Fragstorm 26.4 45.8 52.8 Repulsor 2x Las Weapon, Onslaught, 5x Fragstorm 30.1 62.2 58.2 Repulsor 2x Onslaught, H. Bolter, 5x Fragstorm 19.2 40.2 107.1 Inceptor Assault Bolter 16.9 33.8 125.4 Inceptor Plasma Exterminator 29.9 39.8 76.3 Inceptor Plasma Exterminator (Hot) 26.6 31.9 26.6 Aggressor Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets, Fragstorm 12.3 35.1 131.4 Aggressor Flamestorm Guantlets 11.7 33.4 125.4 Astraeus 3x Las Weapon, Twin Macro-Accelerator 57.4 88.1 53.9 The Astraeus is, surprisingly enough, not as horrifically terrible an option as I thought it was. EDIT: Inceptor numbers were off. Now fixed. Inceptors are really good. Beer4TheBeerGod fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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Kabuki Shipoopi posted:So I found the razorback turrets at a shop for a buck, and chaos'd them out. Then I realized that chaos doesn't have razorbacks No Chaos equivalent sadly. Preds would be the best use.
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Jan 9, 2018 21:45
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Is there some kind of equivalent, or did I just do a dumb thing?
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So I need to buy some new shelving, most of my poo poo is still in boxes. I don't have as much space at this new place as at the old one. What's some efficient shelving I could look at? One of those nice ikea glass display cases I'm going to get for my showy models, but those are pretty space inefficient for storing an army, and there's no closet space available to shove them into.
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Jan 9, 2018 21:47
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:love having to verify my location in tyool 2018 even post-login! It's loving insane how the site can't detect your country or at least attach that to your account. There's potentially a use for changing your country, which is that they post preorders for new stuff to Australia/New Zealand before the US but they should just post preorders globally at the same time to avoid that even being an issue.
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Jan 9, 2018 21:50
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Kabuki Shipoopi posted:So I found the razorback turrets at a shop for a buck, and chaos'd them out. Then I realized that chaos doesn't have razorbacks House Rule 4 Kool Kidz: allow good model conversions in armies even if the armies' codex doesn't.
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Jan 9, 2018 21:53
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:So because I love spreadsheets and wanted to figure out just how effective Primaris units are, I did some math... Thanks for the writeup. This does rather confirm that I need to get off my rear end and build at least 5 of my 15 hellblasters as assault ones.
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Jan 9, 2018 21:57
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:
What would it take for you to run the astraeus numbers with plasma sponsons instead of las? I'm leaning towards them for rule of cool, but not if they're significantly worse.
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Jan 9, 2018 22:02
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Booley posted:What would it take for you to run the astraeus numbers with plasma sponsons instead of las? I'm leaning towards them for rule of cool, but not if they're significantly worse.
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Jan 9, 2018 22:04
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Corrode posted:Use them to run mixed regiment Guard. I've thought about it, they're painted to an okay enough standard, they just have grass on their bases instead of snow.
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Jan 9, 2018 22:07
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Booley posted:What would it take for you to run the astraeus numbers with plasma sponsons instead of las? I'm leaning towards them for rule of cool, but not if they're significantly worse. 56/83/72 assuming you don't overheat.
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Jan 9, 2018 22:23
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:So because I love spreadsheets and wanted to figure out just how effective Primaris units are, I did some math... I want more of this for all the Space Marine units, I demand it! Make it so!! HARUMPF!! I always do number crunching when determining what to take, but I love having it all laid out in a nice spread sheet. It at least lets you make an honest comparison of units before you factor in things like deployment options, etc. Are those number on the Inceptors accurate? Just doesn't strike me that they are so much less efficient than Aggressors against hordes and Hellblasters against Marines for their plasma. For example Inceptors are 45 points with 6 S5 -1 Shots, while the equivalent points in Intercessors grants 6 S4 -1 Shots when rapid firing. Am I missing something?
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Jan 9, 2018 22:33
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Finished up one Shining Spear - I wanted to do a much more intricate pattern on the canopy, but it turned out to be really complicated with the blending (grey doesn't blend well) and so I went with a mini sun-burst pattern.   
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Jan 9, 2018 22:35
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I'm new to the game and still painting the stuff from my Dark Imperium box, but I'm wondering are there different little gun bits I would need to use for stuff like the assault plasma incinerator or the auto bolt rifle?
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Jan 9, 2018 22:41
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Thundercloud posted:Mention this to Sarah next time you see her. She may have something. If she doesn't she'll certainly be after something like that. Thanks mate, but who is Sarah? I'm guessing from context someone who works at a store/club in the Birmingham area? Sharks Dont Sleep posted:Try this? Cheers man, some of the maps for this are exactly the kind of thing I mean. I will get ta' googlin'.
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Jan 9, 2018 22:45
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LOL Shadowsword Numbers: 24.3 against Horde, 38.7 against Marines, 14.9 against Vehicles
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Jan 9, 2018 23:00
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:LOL Shadowsword Numbers: 24.3 against Horde, 38.7 against Marines, 14.9 against Vehicles Those might be a bit inflated against the first two since damage after the first is wasted.
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Jan 9, 2018 23:03
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Uroboros posted:I want more of this for all the Space Marine units, I demand it! Make it so!! HARUMPF!! Actually yeah; the numbers were off because I was referencing Battlescribe and not the Codex, and I only had them listed as having one weapon and not two. The new numbers make them significantly better, with the assault bolter variant being even better than the Aggressor (before standing still) and the overheated Plasma Exterminator being nearly as good as a RF Plasma Incinerator. pre:Calculated Average Points Per Wound For Primaris Units Unit Loadout PPW Horde PPW Marines PPW Vehicles Intercessor Bolt Rifle 47.3 108.0 324.0 Intercessor Bolt Rifle (RF) 23.6 54.0 162.0 Intercessor Auto Bolt Rifle 36.2 103.5 388.1 Intercessor Stalker Bolt Rifle 73.5 126.0 346.5 Hellblaster Plasma Incinerator 66.8 74.3 138.6 Hellblaster Plasma Incinerator (Hot) 59.4 59.4 48.3 Hellblaster Plasma Incinerator (Hot, RF) 29.7 29.7 24.1 Hellblaster A. Plasma Incinerator 35.4 39.4 86.6 Hellblaster A. Plasma Incinerator (Hot) 35.4 39.4 36.8 Hellblaster H. Plasma Incinerator 63.0 63.0 102.4 Hellblaster H. Plasma Incinerator (Hot) 63.0 63.0 43.3 Redemptor H. Onslaught, Onslaught, Fragstorm 18.7 40.3 102.6 Redemptor M. Plasma, Onslaught, Fragstorm 26.4 45.8 94.2 Redemptor M. Plasma (Hot), Onslaught, Fragstorm 26.4 45.8 52.8 Repulsor 2x Las Weapon, Onslaught, 5x Fragstorm 30.1 62.2 58.2 Repulsor 2x Onslaught, H. Bolter, 5x Fragstorm 19.2 40.2 107.1 Inceptor Assault Bolter 16.9 33.8 125.4 Inceptor Plasma Exterminator 29.9 39.8 76.3 Inceptor Plasma Exterminator (Hot) 26.6 31.9 26.6 Aggressor Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets, Fragstorm 12.3 35.1 131.4 Aggressor Flamestorm Guantlets 11.7 33.4 125.4 Astraeus 3x Las Weapon, Twin Macro-Accelerator 57.4 88.1 53.9
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Jan 9, 2018 23:08
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Artum posted:Those might be a bit inflated against the first two since damage after the first is wasted. Nope, it takes that into account. A Volcano Cannon will, on average, kill 2.5 gaunts. Or do 17.50 wounds to a Land Raider. I took the option to add sponsons. Ten heavy bolters is mean. Beer4TheBeerGod fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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Jan 9, 2018 23:09
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Bucnasti posted:Is anyone going to Las Vegas Open? I am doing the 40k Narrative and going to a hockey game. Proper Canadian visit.
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Jan 9, 2018 23:12
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Nope, it takes that into account. A Volcano Cannon will, on average, kill 2.5 gaunts. Or do 17.50 wounds to a Land Raider. Fair and balanced.
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Jan 9, 2018 23:41
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I used to paint things            And I'm going to paint something again.
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serious gaylord posted:And I'm going to paint something again. Is that a threat?! Also holy poo poo those are pretty, always blown away by how crazy good the 30k painters are.
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Jan 9, 2018 23:57
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SRM posted:Nah, Mat Ward left GW too. Or did he? *ominous music* 
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Jan 9, 2018 23:59
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Serious Gaylord are you coming back to the GW fold?
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Maybe Russ? Magnus is a bit meh and I've got a Perturabo that I still dont want to paint after nearly 3 years but I dunno. We'll see. I've got the itch again.
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Jan 10, 2018 00:08
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Or did he? He is back, apparently, and has a very good sense of humour about the whole "fluff-killer" thing. It is said that he left for a while because of the death threats he got over the codices he wrote: which may be one of the reasons you don't have a main writer attributed to a codex anymore. 
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Jan 10, 2018 00:14
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You will be able to find his works by counting the number of dead Sisters.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:You will be able to find his works by counting the number of dead Sisters. God I'd forgotten how loving stupid that was.
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Xarlaxas posted:He is back, apparently, and has a very good sense of humour about the whole "fluff-killer" thing. It is absolutely the reason they don't designate authors any more.
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Jan 10, 2018 00:41
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Xarlaxas posted:He is back, apparently, and has a very good sense of humour about the whole "fluff-killer" thing. Huh, he's back on a more permanent basis? Last thing I remember was that he was being brought in freelance to do some of the writing for the 30k Inferno book. Beyond that I haven't heard much else.
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Jan 10, 2018 00:42
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Looking to get back into hamming. How many points do most tournaments run nowadays? And is there any word about a new ork codex any time soon?
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Jan 10, 2018 00:43
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:You will be able to find his works by counting the number of dead Sisters. That was some really dumb fluff that was very quietly excised from the later Grey Knight codices, thankfully. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:It is absolutely the reason they don't designate authors any more. It's ridiculous, but, at the same time, not surprising that nerd rage over fluff would end up with death threats, even though it's incredibly depressing. Cooked Auto posted:Huh, he's back on a more permanent basis? Last thing I remember was that he was being brought in freelance to do some of the writing for the 30k Inferno book. Beyond that I haven't heard much else. I'm not sure if he's free-lance, like Gav, but I believe he tweeted about being back. At any rate, my understanding of his work is that he's pretty good at mechanics, but fluff-wise, well, dead Sisters of Battle, so it seems like they just need to put him to the right task.
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Jan 10, 2018 00:53
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:I wouldn't be surprised if when they renovated the main building they also put wards in the foundations to keep that fucker from ever coming back. I can think of a particular Ward they can bury in the foundation to great acclaim.
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Jan 10, 2018 00:57
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Xarlaxas posted:It's ridiculous, but, at the same time, not surprising that nerd rage over fluff would end up with death threats, even though it's incredibly depressing. It was so bad Jervis was fielding passive-aggressive anti-Ward questions to his face during seminars.
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Jan 10, 2018 00:57
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Shock and dismay, maybe they should not let his ego and lust for Smurfs screw with their cash cow. It's like hearing a wrestling company's hired Vince Russo, the fans just groan and wait for the dumb writing to start.
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Jan 10, 2018 01:01
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Thing is, he may not have even written the UM fluff in that book.. He was lead on the rules iirc. And the rules in that book were pretty solid.
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Jan 10, 2018 01:04
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Thing is, he may not have even written the UM fluff in that book.. He was lead on the rules iirc. And the rules in that book were pretty solid. Could be, and whoever let it get past editorial without going 'wait, what the gently caress' has as much responsibility as whoever wrote it, but still.
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I have no problem with Ward doing rules. As others have said his mechanics have been fairly solid, at least that was the case a few years ago.
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I realize this is a pretty broad question but do any armies currently stand out as especially good or bad choices for someone (re)starting/learning the hobby fully from scratch? In terms of both the $ cost to collect a playable amount of points and the difficulty involved playing/modeling/painting them.
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I think removing the author attribution should be beneficial in the longer term by preventing the reactionary fans from being all "oh god not another X book." Which should mean that if a book is unpopular it is more obvious to the GW team that there is a problem, instead of the criticism being lost in the background noise of incels throwing their toys out of the pram.
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