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Xinder posted:I've got a 2e question, since I'm somewhat new to it. When should I engage my party in social maneuvering? They talked down an alchemist pointing a gun at them and I almost had them use it there, but then I looked at how it worked and realized it wouldn't fit in that situation. Whenever the consequences/reward would be worth spending just as much time as a full combat would take.
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I think we touched on this a couple weeks ago, but ghosts and spirits share the same Twilight, right? It just requires different senses to perceive them?
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Soonmot posted:I think we touched on this a couple weeks ago, but ghosts and spirits share the same Twilight, right? It just requires different senses to perceive them? Twilight is 'the state of being incorporeal' and ghosts and spirits are basically on different frequencies.
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Soonmot posted:I think we touched on this a couple weeks ago, but ghosts and spirits share the same Twilight, right? It just requires different senses to perceive them? Ghosts and spirits in Twilight states cannot naturally see or touch each other. Ghostly Twilight is distinct from spiritual Twilight, which is distinct from goetic Twilight, which is distinct from angelic Twilight. Similarly, powers that let you see into and touch beings in one form of Twilight don't extend to other forms.
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I Am Just a Box posted:Ghosts and spirits in Twilight states cannot naturally see or touch each other. Ghostly Twilight is distinct from spiritual Twilight, which is distinct from goetic Twilight, which is distinct from angelic Twilight. Similarly, powers that let you see into and touch beings in one form of Twilight don't extend to other forms.
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Ghosts (plus Angels) are in Twilight. Spirits, the Werewolf animism kind, are in the Shadow. They are different places
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Jan 10, 2018 04:50
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Basic Chunnel posted:Ghosts are in Twilight. Spirits are in the Shadow. They are different places Twilight is the ephemeral state ghosts and spirits are in when they're hovering invisibly around Earth, whether because a ghost is still anchored to the living world or a spirit left the Shadow to mess with resonance sources. The equivalent to spirits being in the Shadow would be ghosts being in the Underworld.
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Twilight isn’t a place, it is the state of incorporeality. And spirits in the world of flesh are naturally in a twilight state.
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Jan 10, 2018 04:55
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Twilight is a novel series, and a horse
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Jan 10, 2018 05:06
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Bedlamdan posted:Twilight is a novel series, and a horse
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Jan 10, 2018 08:26
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Hi so since this is basically the white wolf thread, is it okay to ask about scion and where the gently caress that's gotten to in here or is there somewhere else for that?
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Sion posted:Hi so since this is basically the white wolf thread, is it okay to ask about scion and where the gently caress that's gotten to in here or is there somewhere else for that? Scion gets talked about here, yeah. Rattus summarizes stuff from the backer previews from time to time and there's usually a small flurry of discussion each time. Last word was that Scion: Origin is almost done and would be out in preview draft form to backers soon, I think. How soon soon is is open to question, though.
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unseenlibrarian posted:Scion gets talked about here, yeah. Rattus summarizes stuff from the backer previews from time to time and there's usually a small flurry of discussion each time. Last word was that Scion: Origin is almost done and would be out in preview draft form to backers soon, I think. How soon soon is is open to question, though. That's still my understanding as well. I do like that the pantheon descriptions aren't quite so... well... first edition. Like I now feel mostly safe in hoping that Artemis is a goddess of the hunt and not of sexy lesbians. Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jan 10, 2018 |
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Jan 10, 2018 14:49
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Artemis?
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unseenlibrarian posted:Scion gets talked about here, yeah. Rattus summarizes stuff from the backer previews from time to time and there's usually a small flurry of discussion each time. Last word was that Scion: Origin is almost done and would be out in preview draft form to backers soon, I think. How soon soon is is open to question, though. Before the end of the month is my personal hope.
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I'm looking forward to it but expect me to grump about the Norse gods. Not because there'll be anything wrong with the books stance, but because I'm inevitably going to mix up my bizarre syncretic views with what's actually in the source texts.
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ZearothK posted:Artemis? Yup. It was early. Athena, if I remember right, was vaguely close to the original (although I'm pretty sure they reminded you how voluptuous she was).
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Well if everybody doesn't constantly want to gently caress the gods, where are all these scions coming from hmmm? 
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Jan 10, 2018 16:47
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Spontaneous generation, clearly. Nature abhors a vacuum and will produce a baseline amount of scions over a period of time to fill a specific ecological and theological niche. As long as the circumstances of spawning are ideal, they will just appear from nothingness and people of no previous importance.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:Well if everybody doesn't constantly want to gently caress the gods, where are all these scions coming from hmmm? Back when I ran Scion forever (i loved the concept so much i was willing to overlook its many, many flaws) I had a scion born from two other scions because that's still half-divine blood, whatever.
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Jan 10, 2018 17:51
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Scion 2E also has the option of "The Scion is a new version of an existing god, reincarnating themselves in mortal flesh for reasons."
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unseenlibrarian posted:Scion 2E also has the option of "The Scion is a new version of an existing god, reincarnating themselves in mortal flesh for reasons." I appreciate moving away from loving ALL THE TIME that 1e was really into, so this is nice.
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Yeah, I'm genuinely very excited about new Scion. I love the concept, and I even ran a non-Storyteller Scion-type thing where you could be descended from the gods, a chosen champion of a god, or pretty much whatever. It was real good and I'm glad that is being incorporated in the actual game now.
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Nessus posted:You brought me here but can you take me back again? It's either real or it's a dream there's nothing that is in between!
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Oh man, if they sell enough tickets (I think they need about 50 more sales), there's going to be a local screening of the WoD documentary. I'm not sure if it'll be a trainwreck worth shelling out $20 for though.
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unseenlibrarian posted:Scion 2E also has the option of "The Scion is a new version of an existing god, reincarnating themselves in mortal flesh for reasons." There's also Chosen (someone got picked to get a portion of a god's powers) and Created (someone made you out of clay or wood or something) I'm beyond hyped for Scion 2e and keep compulsively checking my email for the text release
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cptn_dr posted:Oh man, if they sell enough tickets (I think they need about 50 more sales), there's going to be a local screening of the WoD documentary. Depending very slightly on where you live, I cannot imagine selling 50 tickets to something like that, especially at 20 bucks a seat.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:Depending very slightly on where you live, I cannot imagine selling 50 tickets to something like that, especially at 20 bucks a seat. Yeah, I don't really expect it to. Especially since anyone in the city who remembers the old Vampire larp that used to run gets a thousand yard stare every time WoD is mentioned (as far as I can tell, it pretty much destroyed the larp scene here - WoD and otherwise - for about a decade. I didn't live here at the time, and people are pretty reluctant to talk about it, but I gather it had all the usual larp problems, compounded by a comparatively small community). Still, there miiiight be enough non-larp grognards around who want to squeeze into some leather and relive the glory days... Okay, I've convinced myself not to go.
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I sort of want to see it just to see how badly they wallpaper over the years from 1996 to 2011. "Lo and then Vampire 20th anniversary edition sprang fully formed from seafoam and sold itself and absolutely no other roleplaying games were published in the previous 8 years. As was spoken by our prophet Rein dot Hagen. So shall it be."
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Blockhouse posted:There's also Chosen (someone got picked to get a portion of a god's powers) and Created (someone made you out of clay or wood or something)
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Also cool poo poo like Wesir/Osiris needing to ask Aset/Isis to appoint scions for him, since he can't father or even adopt them himself. That's the poo poo that happens when you lose your penis and your pantheon's symbolism is fuckin' obsessed with sex.
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Blockhouse posted:There's also Chosen (someone got picked to get a portion of a god's powers) and Created (someone made you out of clay or wood or something) Chosen seem like a nice way around the tedious 'you're actually the Scion of another god but the god who LIKES you can't/won't breed' that came up. Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jan 10, 2018 |
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So what horrible garbage did White Wolf force OPP to put in Beckett's Jyhad Diary?
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Pope Guilty posted:So what horrible garbage did White Wolf force OPP to put in Beckett's Jyhad Diary? I think they added references to the Beckoning, which still pretty mysterious, but Neall seemed to indicate that they were overall pretty happy with it the way it was.
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So nothing like the Changing Ways bullshit?
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If anything it's more progressive than before instead of less. Neall talked a bit about wanting to make the most prominent trans character in Vampire less awful, so Sascha Vykos is now "they" instead of "it" and has given up on tentacles-for-tentacles-sake. This leads to a mildly funny scene after the (mostly off-camera) bit where Sascha, having failed to give birth to their inhuman progenitor who was lurking inside their body since Dark Ages: Vampire, has adopted a more human shape, and Beckett is basically "so does this mean you're a dude now" and Sascha is basically "what? No. God, no. That was one thing and this is another; Beckett is an idiot."
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Rand Brittain posted:If anything it's more progressive than before instead of less. Neall talked a bit about wanting to make the most prominent trans character in Vampire less awful, so Sascha Vykos is now "they" instead of "it" and has given up on tentacles-for-tentacles-sake. Huh. You know, I never thought of Vykos as trans? They were just... Vykos. It'd be funny to get Lambach's reaction to their little hobby.
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Dawgstar posted:Huh. You know, I never thought of Vykos as trans? They were just... Vykos. I think Vykos was called "it" because they had discarded all of their humanity in pursuit of total monstrousness like the Tzimisce strive for, but referring to a gender neutral character as "it" is a bad idea nowadays. It always felt awkward to me- I kept wanting to default to "he".
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I once had an argument with someone who kept trying to use 'it' as the gender-neutral pronoun for all vampires, period.
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Attorney at Funk posted:I once had an argument with someone who kept trying to use 'it' as the gender-neutral pronoun for all vampires, period. i mean...they are all inhuman monsters, i guess
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