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CharlestheHammer posted:You are so weirdly mad about this lol go outside or something, 12.94 per day Hmm
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queeb posted:give me full on romanticized three kingdoms. I want my dudes fuckin flyin through the air and poo poo. I'm so pumped for this. man they better have ragdoll physics!
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The other thing that was really important was stockades, or lovely wooden fences. I hope those function as destructible cover. They should be really important for surviving night attacks.
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Jan 10, 2018 20:31
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CharlestheHammer posted:Eh I don't think heroes are something you can just ignore if they go the warhammer route. In a historical title my guess is that what you're getting with "heroes" is a better than average general that might have some unique abilities for improving your army/faction, maybe a quest or two to get them a special weapon, and they'll be strong in combat. Overall I think it's more interesting than having Generic Generals 1-5. I could understand being upset if they were going to give these guys dragons to ride on or magic spells but that's probably not the something we need to worry about. The one thing they might include which I'm not a fan of is immortality for the Super Special guys.
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StashAugustine posted:come to think of it riverboat combat would be pretty neat in total war If they figured out some way to let you do more land-style maneuvering with the infantry on the boats like that post says maybe, but controlling boats in confined spaces in TW has historically been an exercise in frustration. I guess the Yangtze is pretty loving wide though so maybe that's not so much of an issue.
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Billzasilver posted:The other thing that was really important was stockades, or lovely wooden fences. I hope those function as destructible cover. They should be really important for surviving night attacks. Those are important in literally every time period so I doubt you are gonna see something different than the deployment system used by like Rome 2 or any other other TW game.
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Jan 10, 2018 20:33
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John Charity Spring posted:I'm gonna take a guess that CA - who are already mentioning the centrality of 'champions' to the game and showcasing heroic-type duels in the cinematic trailer - will probably include what you regard as dumb bullshit in the game, because it's been very well-received by the majority of players of Warhammer and they've already taken steps towards 'legendary lords' in historical games since then. Ya seems like a no brainer to me. Hopefully Lu Bu has red hare as his mount.
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Jan 10, 2018 20:35
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Jamwad Hilder posted:In a historical title my guess is that what you're getting with "heroes" is a better than average general that might have some unique abilities for improving your army/faction, maybe a quest or two to get them a special weapon, and they'll be strong in combat. Overall I think it's more interesting than having Generic Generals 1-5. I could understand being upset if they were going to give these guys dragons to ride on or magic spells but that's probably not the something we need to worry about. See I am okay with this. I don't want units that can wipe out armies themselves like warhammer or vanilla M2. That's just unfun
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CharlestheHammer posted:Those are important in literally every time period so I doubt you are gonna see something different than the deployment system used by like Rome 2 or any other other TW game. Nah, Three Kingdoms leaned heavily into raiding camps and burning supplies. I don’t think the Greek hoplites did that too much.
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Jan 10, 2018 20:35
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Without knowing anything else about the period the armour looks so good and I'm super down for crossbows and pikes
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Jan 10, 2018 20:36
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The argument about killing a thousand people was never based on realism. The truth is the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel was based on a lot of existing stage plays based on the events. That's why you have a few characters fighting all the battles; because of stage necessities. You can't actually show a battle on stage. Same for the outlandish costumes. Lu Bu needs to have a crazy hat so he can be identified by the audience. The Cockroach hat was a sign of Martial prowess. The incredibly long tails on Lu Bu's characters hat is comically playing with that tradition. It helps to establish him as an incredibly powerful warrior and also a comic figure with these stupid tassels because he's a complete idiot. He looks ridiculous while also being coded as the strongest warrior on stage. The historical basis for a lot of these accounts is probably that a core of veteran cavalry would fight duels more or less with their opposite numbers while the peasant conscripts would wait to see who won and then run away if their generals were killed. This is warlordism, so their troops where neither particularly disciplined nor loyal.
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Billzasilver posted:Nah, Three Kingdoms leaned heavily into raiding camps and burning supplies. I don’t think the Greek hoplites did that too much. Attila was supposed to be all about that poo poo and it didn't get enough mechanics to really realize that so I wouldn't hold your breathe on that.
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Agean90 posted:wonder how many dynasty warriors references they'll be able to sneak in the dong zhou design is a straight copy, so i would be shocked if there wasnt more
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Jan 10, 2018 20:38
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CharlestheHammer posted:I don't want units that can wipe out armies themselves like warhammer or vanilla M2. That's just unfun
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Jan 10, 2018 20:38
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 This fire-breathing siege weapon is my hero unit.
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Jan 10, 2018 20:39
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:have you not played warhammer since release? Nah, I didn't like it so I stopped playing it as neither the gameplay nor the setting really worked for me.
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Jan 10, 2018 20:41
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Davincie posted:the dong zhou design is a straight copy, so i would be shocked if there wasnt more Ya Dong Zhou is almost 90% copy of DW but Lu Bu looks very different from the DW version. The DW Lu Bu has the really long red feathers instead of the short ones and his armor is a bit different.
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Jan 10, 2018 20:43
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Tomn posted:I remember Shogun 1's manual kept hammering home the idea that they designed the entire game around "The Art of War" over and over again. Liu Bei is a hilariously brazen serial traitor. It's going to be fun to see if they gave him a campaign where he gets to switch sides four times. One time he managed to get a major city garrison transferred to his control, marched them out, turned them around and besieged the city with his new troops. I wonder if they'll have any of that part of his character.
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Jan 10, 2018 20:59
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ya I remember there was a big post in one of the history threads, probably by you, about how much of a dick Liu Bei was
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Jan 10, 2018 21:26
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Cao Cao genuinely was the good guy. You can tell by his wonderful laugh.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:28
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Mr.Morgenstern posted:They've already made a Pontus meme of this: Haven't the TWC guys wanted Three Kingdoms China for over a decade at this point? I seem to remember that popping up constantly way back when.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:29
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If we can't directly control hero units on a ground level ala Rise & Fall: Civilizations at War and murder the gently caress out of thousands of units solo then why is this even being made?????
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Jan 10, 2018 21:32
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Cao Cao genuinely was the good guy. You can tell by his wonderful laugh.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:34
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I hope once they've got the framework and the map done they do a FoTS style Victorian campaign set during the Opium Wars or the Taiping rebellion. Not enough games let you play as Jesus Christ's younger brother.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:45
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Randarkman posted:Haven't the TWC guys wanted Three Kingdoms China for over a decade at this point? I seem to remember that popping up constantly way back when. Yes but you see it's not faithful enough! To start with the uniforms are a much too bright shade of red and furthermore
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Jan 10, 2018 21:45
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Cao Cao genuinely was the good guy. You can tell by his wonderful laugh. In Koei's Warriors games, isn't Nobunaga literally just a palette swap of Cao Cao, down to having the same voice actor?
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Jan 10, 2018 21:54
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Total War Megathread 2 - Do Not Cycle Charge Lu Bu
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Jan 10, 2018 21:59
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Ok I could get into hero units if you couldn't control them and deploying Lu Bu resulting in a 50% chance of him either destroying the enemy or traitoring you.
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Jan 10, 2018 22:00
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The best Three Kingdoms version is http://www.3kingdomspodcast.com/ where one guy who just freaking loves the book decided to retell it himself in podcast form every week for the last 3 years.
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Funky Valentine posted:Total War Megathread 2 - Do Not Cycle Charge Lu Bu Yes.
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V for Vegas posted:The best Three Kingdoms version is http://www.3kingdomspodcast.com/ where one guy who just freaking loves the book decided to retell it himself in podcast form every week for the last 3 years. I can't stand this guy's voice, myself.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF-MDuXXiSI
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Funky Valentine posted:Total War Megathread 2 - Do Not Cycle Charge Lu Bu This is the fastest we get the right thread title.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:In a historical title my guess is that what you're getting with "heroes" is a better than average general that might have some unique abilities for improving your army/faction, maybe a quest or two to get them a special weapon, and they'll be strong in combat. Overall I think it's more interesting than having Generic Generals 1-5. I could understand being upset if they were going to give these guys dragons to ride on or magic spells but that's probably not the something we need to worry about. In the Warhammer games half of the heroes are just badass units without any cool mounts or magic powers. It's just stuff like "guy with crowssbow who is a really good shot and can shoot your general" or "dude with sword and shield who is really good at fighting in close range." They get neat tertiary effects that wouldn't necessarily be out of place in a historical game, like firing poisoned arrows, causing terror or fear in enemy units, providing additional morale boosts to local troops, being immune to psychology, etc. There's a lot of space for noteworthy individuals that aren't necessarily going to kill 1000 men solo, but can still decisively turn the tide of a battle through their actions.
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Jan 10, 2018 22:54
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Yeah Shogun had explicit 'hero' units with like a dozen guys
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Yeah, if immersion is a big deal you could just give a singular hero a small retinue of like twenty, kinda like a small-scale version of the old general units. A small unit of elite fighters lead by a hero carving through a larger unit of dirt conscripts wouldn't really look out of place much at all. Though I do hope they put some more detail into hero-vs-hero fights if heroes are indeed the way they're going. That's one of the bigger weaknesses of Total Warhammer to me, you've got these legendary heroes going up against each other in cinematic clashes, but most of the time it works out to the two of them just awkwardly floating around each other swinging into the other's general direction until one of them runs out of healthbar. It's one of those situations where synchronised animations/fights would actually be pretty neat. Which they seemed to have learned to a degree with Warhams 2, considering the various synchronised attacks between monsters.
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Jan 10, 2018 23:17
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I want heroes to be super units that activate a kill counter over their head and rake up thousands of kills, giving you a score from D- to S+ at the end of the battle.
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Jan 10, 2018 23:24
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Jan 10, 2018 23:26
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Isn’t it the same engine with heavy modifications for each game since Empire? In any case I hope they run the ship as tight as it was for Warhams
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now im kinda tempted to get a dynasty warriors game to relive playing dw3 on my cousin's ps2
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